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3D and the Pioneer VSX-01TXH

boojiboy
01-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Will the Pioneer VSX-01TXH receiver pass through 3D on HDMI 1.3?

I've got a new Panasonic TC-65VT25 and they threw in the Panasonic DMP-BDT100 3D Blu-Ray player for free. I didn't buy the set for 3D, but as long as I have 3D capability, I'd like to try it out.

I guess the big question now, will my receiver process that signal?

Thanks.

PFC5
01-20-2011, 03:17 PM
If it only has HDMI version 1.3 the answer is no. You will have to run the HDMI output from the BD player directly to the TV and run the optical to the receiver to get 3D. But then you would not get the HD audio formats.

boojiboy
01-20-2011, 04:10 PM
If it only has HDMI version 1.3 the answer is no. You will have to run the HDMI output from the BD player directly to the TV and run the optical to the receiver to get 3D. But then you would not get the HD audio formats.

Thanks. Bummer, that is kinda what I thought.

PFC5
01-21-2011, 11:45 AM
You could get a HDMI splitter that is version 1.4 and have it come out with one going to the receiver and the other go directly to the TV but not sure how much they cost. Make sure it can send the signal to BOTH outputs at the same time though to work properly.

boojiboy
01-21-2011, 04:43 PM
You could get a HDMI splitter that is version 1.4 and have it come out with one going to the receiver and the other go directly to the TV but not sure how much they cost. Make sure it can send the signal to BOTH outputs at the same time though to work properly.

Think I would notice any signal degradation or a sync problem with video and audio?

Lee Stewart
01-21-2011, 06:00 PM
You could get a HDMI splitter that is version 1.4 and have it come out with one going to the receiver and the other go directly to the TV but not sure how much they cost. Make sure it can send the signal to BOTH outputs at the same time though to work properly.

That won't work. You have to strip out the 3D video leaving just the HD audio. They don't sell a splitter like that yet. You have to use one of the special dual HDMI output 1.3/1.4 3D BD players.

OP:

Just send the HDMI out of the BDT-100 to your TV and use the optical/digital audio output from the BDT-100 to send the audio to your receiver. Your receiver can't accept the 3D video portion of the signal.

PFC5
01-22-2011, 04:45 PM
That won't work. You have to strip out the 3D video leaving just the HD audio. They don't sell a splitter like that yet. You have to use one of the special dual HDMI output 1.3/1.4 3D BD players.

OP:

Just send the HDMI out of the BDT-100 to your TV and use the optical/digital audio output from the BDT-100 to send the audio to your receiver. Your receiver can't accept the 3D video portion of the signal.

But if you are just using it as the audio input on that BD player HDMI input to the receiver you should still be able to get the HD audio, while the other HDMI 1.4 output from the splitter would send the video directly to the TV. What am I missing here? Why wouldn't this splitter work to send the HD audio to the receiver while sending the 3D video output directly to the TV?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=6192&seq=1&format=2

Lee Stewart
01-22-2011, 05:18 PM
But if you are just using it as the audio input on that BD player HDMI input to the receiver you should still be able to get the HD audio, while the other HDMI 1.4 output from the splitter would send the video directly to the TV. What am I missing here? Why wouldn't this splitter work to send the HD audio to the receiver while sending the 3D video output directly to the TV?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011301&p_id=6192&seq=1&format=2

All that box is doing is taking a single HDMI output which consists of the HD Audio and the 3D video and duplicating it for up to 4 displays.

The reason why you have to strip out the 3D video portion of the signal is that his AVR's EDID (located within the HDMI chip) won't recognize the 3D video portion of the signal and will not allow the signal to continue on into the AVR. The signal stops at the HDMI RX chip.

That box isn't processing the signal, it's just duplicating it. All it is is a HDMI Repeater.

PFC5
01-22-2011, 05:58 PM
So you are saying that the audio will not get past the HDMI receiving chip in his receiver at all if the signal has a 3D video signal included? Is there any documentation of this anywhere you could provide?

Thanks!

Lee Stewart
01-22-2011, 06:48 PM
So you are saying that the audio will not get past the HDMI receiving chip in his receiver at all if the signal has a 3D video signal included? Is there any documentation of this anywhere you could provide?

Thanks!

Correct, the entire signal - audio and video has to pass through the HDMI RX chip before any processing is done. Because it is an AVR, the EDID is looking at both the audio and video to make sure they match up with the chip's existing inventory of devices of which the 3D frame packed signal is not one of them.

Over at AVS, there is a ton of info about this in their 3D Dentral forums.

boojiboy
01-24-2011, 04:12 PM
Thank you. Just to confirm, if I do use the optical/digital audio output from the BDT-100 to the receiver, I will lose some of the audio formats correct? If so, is this a major loss? I need to weigh this decision against my desire to watch the one movie I own in 3D. I didn't buy the Pansonic for it's 3D capbility, but now that I have it, I appreciate the input on this thread on my options.

PFC5
01-24-2011, 04:39 PM
So just use the optical when watching a 3D title and move the HDMI cable directly to the 3DTV for the rare title you may want to watch. If you are not into watching 3D much then it doesn't make sense to buy a new receiver for the rare use you intend to do.

Then you will just lose the HD audio on the 3D titles and the PITA to change the HDMI cable for that rare title you want to watch in 3D. It might be better to just buy another HDMI cable to have available already brought to the TV and swap the other end at the player. Since you can get a HDMI 1.4 cable cheap at www.Monoprice.com (http://www.Monoprice.com). You probably would not even notice the sound difference that much if at all depending on your sound equipment.

boojiboy
01-24-2011, 05:56 PM
So just use the optical when watching a 3D title and move the HDMI cable directly to the 3DTV for the rare title you may want to watch. If you are not into watching 3D much then it doesn't make sense to buy a new receiver for the rare use you intend to do.

Then you will just lose the HD audio on the 3D titles and the PITA to change the HDMI cable for that rare title you want to watch in 3D. It might be better to just buy another HDMI cable to have available already brought to the TV and swap the other end at the player. Since you can get a HDMI 1.4 cable cheap at www.Monoprice.com (http://www.Monoprice.com). You probably would not even notice the sound difference that much if at all depending on your sound equipment.

Thank you.

Lee Stewart
01-26-2011, 09:28 PM
So just use the optical when watching a 3D title and move the HDMI cable directly to the 3DTV for the rare title you may want to watch. If you are not into watching 3D much then it doesn't make sense to buy a new receiver for the rare use you intend to do.

Then you will just lose the HD audio on the 3D titles and the PITA to change the HDMI cable for that rare title you want to watch in 3D. It might be better to just buy another HDMI cable to have available already brought to the TV and swap the other end at the player. Since you can get a HDMI 1.4 cable cheap at www.Monoprice.com (http://www.Monoprice.com). You probably would not even notice the sound difference that much if at all depending on your sound equipment.

That will do it. Unfortunatly, AFAIK, no one makes a 1.4 HDMI A/B switch yet. They are all repeaters.