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First HDTV buy, what do you think?

antpod
09-18-2005, 07:17 PM
Well im going for one that is below 1 grand. So that means im going for a crt(beause i dont know any good hdtv lcds that are at least 30 inches...) (i have googled what i can and i just want to know what you people think)
One thing first

1) Crts can have 100% true Hdtv, right? Someone said it isnt because ctrs are analog and not digital...

Ive been looking at this one a lot
LG 30" CRT HDTV (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7015829&type=product&id=1099393182544)

Specs sound good and looks very very nice.

It seems to support 1080i but does can i still use 720p to full potentia?l, i heard in some ways 720p can looks nicer since 1080 is interlaced...

And it has an Hdmi input, this is better then dvi input, corrent?(differences?)

I also like this one a lot.
Samsung 30" CRT HDTV (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7045397&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099396990967)

anyone have any reccomendations also?(under a grand)

what you guys/grls thing between the two? and please reccomendations

okiegeezer
09-18-2005, 08:12 PM
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My system is a 57" Panasonic rear projection, a Onkyo 5.1 surround system, the Accurian HD Receiver, With basic rca cables( Not Gold), HDMI and Optical cables from SAMS. All less than year old all purchased for less than $1600.00 total. Yes there are systems that SPEC out higher but again this system looks great sounds great. So I understand you wanting to work with a tight budget. If the unit has the hookups that you think it need,I do suggest it have a HDMI hookup, the picture looks good to YOU and it is in your budget range then it is the right tv.

RSawdey
09-20-2005, 03:38 PM
What does "100% HDTV" mean? Consumer CRT based sets are all 1080i native, so even if they can accept a 720p signal, they will convert it to 1080i for display. Adding interlacing & halving the framerate.

There are many LCD flat panels with similar prices to the CRT... Syntax, Westinghouse, etc.

appaws
09-25-2005, 10:31 PM
I have a recommendation...the Sony 30xs955 is on clearance at BB for under a grand, I think $987 or something like that. I think a better set than the Samsungs or LG sets, and a great price!

My friend just got one and I have to say it is sweet. The PQ is amazing.

Also, don't believe the negative hype about CRT. It's an older technology, but it has the big advantage of having the bugs worked out. None of the other types of displays can match the PQ of a CRT. NONE. That is why marketing and sales people always push those other displays based on other factors than PQ, like thinness and weight...because PQ is better on good CRTs than on the best LCD, DLP, or Plasma sets.

I completed by HDTV search a few weeks ago, and I researched like a fiend and looked and compared everything. I think for under a thousand bucks, a nice CRT is you best bet. Just my 2 cents.

RSawdey
09-27-2005, 12:06 PM
Depends on what you consider quality... all consumer CRT based HDTVs are 1080i/30 interlaced sets. CRTs produce good blacks, good color, but their phosphors can be burned in with static images like scrolls & logos & game HUDs. Biggest disadvantage is their interlaced nature and slow 30 Hz framerate. Not good for use with PCs or Gameboxes - progressive is very important there, and PS sets have a 60 Hz framerate.

appaws
09-27-2005, 05:48 PM
Depends on what you consider quality... all consumer CRT based HDTVs are 1080i/30 interlaced sets. CRTs produce good blacks, good color, but their phosphors can be burned in with static images like scrolls & logos & game HUDs. Biggest disadvantage is their interlaced nature and slow 30 Hz framerate. Not good for use with PCs or Gameboxes - progressive is very important there, and PS sets have a 60 Hz framerate.

I think burn-in is an overhyped issue for most normal users of a CRT tv. I mean, we all used those for years with no problems right. Unless you are leaving it on MSNBC 24 hours a day, or if your settings are not adjusted right, you shouldn't have a problem with burn-in.

I think they are designing game consoles with the majority of users in mind who are playing on CRT. I don't think the interlaced or framerate things will affect the average gamer, but I guess they could for some people.

The thing to me seems to be to look really carefully and try out the capabilities of any TV before you buy. If you are a big gamer, drag the old XBOX to BB and plug it in and give it a whirl. Play with the video settings on the sets. Read every review you can. I think 80% of the choice is personal preference. When I first came to these forums and asked for advice on an HDTV, I wanted some magic answer of what was "best." What I quickly found out was that there is no best, just a million different opinions that I had to work through before making such a big investment. I think if you do a little research beforehand, you'll end up being happy when you get it home.

Emsurfer
09-29-2005, 03:37 AM
I have a recommendation...the Sony 30xs955 is on clearance at BB for under a grand, I think $987 or something like that. I think a better set than the Samsungs or LG sets, and a great price!

My friend just got one and I have to say it is sweet. The PQ is amazing.

Also, don't believe the negative hype about CRT. It's an older technology, but it has the big advantage of having the bugs worked out. None of the other types of displays can match the PQ of a CRT. NONE. That is why marketing and sales people always push those other displays based on other factors than PQ, like thinness and weight...because PQ is better on good CRTs than on the best LCD, DLP, or Plasma sets.

I completed by HDTV search a few weeks ago, and I researched like a fiend and looked and compared everything. I think for under a thousand bucks, a nice CRT is you best bet. Just my 2 cents.

I have to agree with this Bronco character. You should also take a look at other SONY 30-34 HDTV models and also the Panasonic CT-30 or 34 WX15 and the Toshiba 30 or 34 HF85. I have an Panasonic 43" RPLCD, Toshiba 26HF85, and the Sharp AQUOS 32" HD LCD. My Parents have the Panasonic CT-30WX15 and the SONY 26" BRAVIA LCD. The HD CRTs mentioned have superb color saturation and picture quality. You're not getting anything better for < $1000. RSawdey knows his stuff when it comes to HD and especially the technical specs. But to own them and to see them is to believe them. Even a modest gamer would appreciate the HD CRTs mentioned. If you're an avid gamer with phenomenal stereoscopic vision, then the negligible "flicker" attributed to the lower refresh rate of the HD CRTs may bother you. Then I would recommend the Syntax and Westinghouse for less than $1000 otherwise I would go with the Sharp, Panasonic, or SONY LCD. Samsung is cool too. But I would not go with the LG or Samsung CRT before considering the SONY, Panasonic, or Toshiba CRTs.

I was loving my 26HF85(still love it) but had to move it to the bedroom and get the Sharp AQUOS 32" because my 10 month old daughter keeps standing in front of the TV with her face planted on the CRT screen (EMF rad). Hope that helps and clarifies things. :eek:

lancejustice
10-01-2005, 04:49 PM
I asked this question before, but I can't find the answer. I am wondering about the sony xbr vs hs420 or the xs models. What makes the XBR a better quality tv than the others. Why is it considered the standard for HD, and finally, do the other sony's compare, or are they more in line with the panny's and toshiba's? I don't mean to offend anyone, just curious why the xbr seems to be king of the hill?
Newbie and thanks for any advice.

rbinck
10-01-2005, 05:48 PM
Sony CRT are highly thought of because of the make up of their tube. Other brands use what is called a shadow mask to cause the CRT beam to hit specified phospor triads. The shadow mask is a metal shield with many holes in it. The Sony tubes use vertical wires to separate vertical phospor stripes. The result is no physical vertical restriction on resolution, so you get potentially the full 1080 scan lines (less overscan) whereas, with the shadow masks you are limited to about 600 lines of resolution for most shadow mask CRTs.

Sony has a resolution restriction in the horizontal plane, but it is as good or better to the shadow mask tubes. 1400 horizontal stripes on a 34" comes to mind, but to tell the truth I don't absolutely recall the exact number.

The details of shadow masks and vertical stripes are not widely published because they restrict resolution from the ATSC spec of 1920x1080 and the manufacturers would prefer to not advertise that fact. You can get a good idea of the details if the manufacturer specs the dot pitch, or the stripe pitch in Sony's case. With the screen dimentions you can predict what the actual resolution will be.

For example the 34" (http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/directview/dm7352sf.asp)Monivision DM-7352SF (http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/directview/dm7352sf.asp) is advertised at a 36"/0.36mm Super Fine Pitch tube which would work out to be 0.36mm x 1920 = 691mm wide picture. 691mm = 27" which is reasonable. Most "fine pitch" commercial tubes have a dot pitch of 0.50mm which works out to be 960mm wide or about 38" which is wider than a 34" tube. Many HDTV tubes will have 0.80mm dot pitches which will limit the true resolution severly.

Bottom line is just because a direct view CRT advertises 1080i does not mean it will actually display at that resolution.

lancejustice
10-02-2005, 07:21 AM
I kinda understand what you are saying. My first question is, are all sony crt's made that way or just the xbr? Secondly, the lower the dot pitch, the better tv you are getting? Thirdly, what companies advertise 1080i, but due to 80mm pitch, do not live up to the expectations? I always thought, 1080i is 1080i, but what you are saying is, you could have an hd tv that measures far less than that? Thanks for any info.

rbinck
10-02-2005, 04:11 PM
I kinda understand what you are saying. My first question is, are all sony crt's made that way or just the xbr? All Sonys use the same vertical stripes.

Secondly, the lower the dot pitch, the better tv you are getting? Not necessarily the better, but the higher resolution picture. Generally the better dot pitch would be in the higher quality TVs though.

Thirdly, what companies advertise 1080i, but due to 80mm pitch, do not live up to the expectations? As I said before they don't advertise this much and it is hard to find out. Looking at many, many google results for a given model will sometimes yeild the answer, but often not. I don't know of a list of who does what.

I always thought, 1080i is 1080i, but what you are saying is, you could have an hd tv that measures far less than that? Most assuredly, in fact most CRT based TVs will have 5% overscan or so. That would be a reduction to 1026 lines right there. TVs with "super fine" dot pitch will probably give you about 800 lines or so, "fine" pitch about 600 lines. My multimedia Zenith 4:3 CRT HDTV has a native resolution of 800x600, for example.

Thanks for any info.
You are welcome.

BrianO
10-02-2005, 11:12 PM
The system of vertical wires that Rbinck refers to is called an "aperture grill" and has been used in all Sony Trinitron picture tubes ever produced. All current Sony CRT models have an FD Trinitron CRT (FD = Flat Display).

The HS420 models use a "fine pitch" aperture grill. The XBR960 and the XS955 sets use a "superfine pitch" aperture grill which allows more pixels (about 65% more) to be displayed per scan line than the standard aperture grill. The difference is noticeable at normal viewing distances.

The XBR960 and XS955 sets also have an ATSC/NTSC/QAM tuner while the HS420 models only have an NTSC tuner.

The XBR960 has some extra features (e.g "Twin View") that the XS955 lacks and a different DRC circuit.

While the HS420 sets are fine sets, the XS955 and XBR960 are better.

lancejustice
10-03-2005, 07:16 AM
So my next question would be given the choice, would you get the xs or the xbr. I mean as far as pq goes are they equal. Is the xbr's drc better or just different?

RSawdey
10-03-2005, 10:56 AM
Only the XBR tuner has Firewire I/O for recording.

rbinck
10-03-2005, 11:47 AM
Do you know the pitch of the Sonys?