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Heard something both funny & sad on the radio

jkkyler
10-13-2010, 07:18 AM
Heard something on the radio yesterday that was so funny and sad (essentially because it is pretty truthful) at the same time. On the local morning show that is #1 in its slot - mainstream radio not talk/political station at all- a caller was talking to the hosts on a current topic when he stated:

' Looks like my time is up. I am going to have to let you go now. I need to head to work and earn because there are a 100 people and illegals on welfare counting on me to make us a living today'

Nearly spit out my coffee all over me at the bluntness of this. Something about it just resonated w/ me as recently I realized that with insurances and just about everything else rising I seem to be working harder for less and less take home.

hatt
10-13-2010, 08:05 AM
People are getting tired of it. I'm going to flip out one day when I'm behind some idiot in line paying with a welfare card. Happened at Sam's the other day. Bitch had a heaping cart, bottom too, of candy, Yoohoos, snacks etc. :mad:

Poorboy
10-13-2010, 08:41 AM
People are getting tired of it. I'm going to flip out one day when I'm behind some idiot in line paying with a welfare card. Happened at Sam's the other day. Bitch had a heaping cart, bottom too, of candy, Yoohoos, snacks etc. :mad:

:bowdown: Same here, being a gluttin for punishment I usually then make the effort to follow them to the parking lot and watch em load the goodies in a new vehicle or one much newer and better than mine! :banghead:

ImRizzo
10-13-2010, 09:47 AM
:bowdown: Same here, being a gluttin for punishment I usually then make the effort to follow them to the parking lot and watch em load the goodies in a new vehicle or one much newer and better than mine! :banghead:

Ditto last weekend I watched a woman fairly well dressed and bejeweled in WallyWorld, pay with a welfare check and then proceeded to the parking lot where she climbed into a fairly new Escalade. I was pissed because I knew I was paying for this.

Cygnus
10-13-2010, 09:58 AM
I have experienced something worse. Person with welfare card wants to "buy" my groceries in exchange for cash...sometimes they try to rip you off with the trade ratio too :D

People are getting tired of it. I'm going to flip out one day when I'm behind some idiot in line paying with a welfare card. Happened at Sam's the other day. Bitch had a heaping cart, bottom too, of candy, Yoohoos, snacks etc. :mad:

ImRizzo
10-13-2010, 10:09 AM
Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge a family's use of welfare when it is a true necessity of support and aid, those people need and deserve the support they get. What pisses me are those who fraudulently get these funds and then blatantly flaunt these ill gotten monies in front of people like myself, almost like laughing in my face and if you say something about it, they claim your harassing them.

Cygnus
10-13-2010, 10:26 AM
They learn from the best: politicians. They cry broke while raising taxes and shortly afterwards increase their own pay.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge a family's use of welfare when it is a true necessity of support and aid, those people need and deserve the support they get. What pisses me are those who fraudulently get these funds and then blatantly flaunt these ill gotten monies in front of people like myself, almost like laughing in my face and if you say something about it, they claim your harassing them.

ckone180
10-13-2010, 10:46 AM
But the truth is that most of these folks are not getting these funds ILLEGALLY! For the most part, these are legit, as they raised the income levels (don't know if federal or local) to the point that almost all barely lower than normal earners qualify for it. I know a family that gets about 600/mo in food stamps. I think that's max, but they have a family of 4, and took in my niece for a total of 5 in the home. I have 3 kids myself, and a wife, but I don't qualify, as their income is 40K a year. Add the 600 in food, untaxed for income, and their real income is closer to 50k per year. That's silly, because if you make 43k you can't get it, but 40k your golden, making quite a splash. I'm not rich or wealthy, but I'm glad I don't need to rely on the GovCo.

jkkyler
10-13-2010, 11:26 AM
I know what you all mean. Please don't think I am without compassion. I don't begrudge helping people in need but I also feel a hand up is better than a handout. The system has become to easy to work and often encourages people to do less. Somebody I know lost his job but he was doing so well on unemployment (and doing odd jobs at his whim under the table) that he had no desire to find another one. "why should I work when I don't need to" was his prevailing attitude. Unfortunatelt it seems as if virtually everybody knows somebody who has worked the system or gotten over on the gov't. The rules are just broken. I hear commercials all the time for free cell phones and minutes for the needy and think "WTF" nobody needs a cell phone - we got along for quite a while w/o them. I often think about getting rid of mine but it is a CONVENIENCE that I have grown accustomed to though more often than not it is a pain in the ass.

When I was in the military as a young soldier with a wife and child, my family income was such that I qualified for welfare/public assistance but never applied for it or accepted it (like many I knew in the same situation as mine regularly did) because I didn't need it. By being frugal and living within my means I could always make ends meet though there wasn't much, if any left over. The temptation was there though - Why when I am already working about 50-60 hrs/wk shouldn't I take some 'free money', but I always reasoned that the money wasn't free it was taken from somebody else and was being given to somebody who needed it. I felt I didn't need it. If I truly had a need or hit bad times and some assistance was available to help get my family through I would swallow my pride and accept it so my family didn't suffer but the lessons I have learned by persevering and learing the values of hard work and making your way in the world have been priceless.The only 'public assistance' that I ever accepted was that there was a program for young soldiers to get discounted baby formula to help offset costs. For about 4 or 5 months while my daughter was on formula I did take advantage of that.
Times are tough now and I am glad that there are programs to help the needy. I have grown skeptical though due to rampant misuse and abuse of the system. I used to try and give a few $$ to panhandlers to try and help them out but don't really do that anymore but from time to time if I see somebody begging I will offer to take them to a diner across the street or nearby and buy them a meal and listen to their story to see if there is any advice or help I can offer. You would be surprised by the number of people who treat me with disdain or state "I would rather just have the money"

A lot of this comes from the fact that in order to fund my hobby of audiophile/Hi def I donate plasma 2x a week at the blood bank. This allows me to have some nice things that I otherwise couldn't afford and I get to help people in the process. My entire HT has been purchased this way over the past couple yrs. As a result, I have spent numerous hours there and hear people in the lobby talking (people talk in public areas/waiting rooms as if they have their own private booth somewhere about the most outlandish stuff- never can figure that one out). Every day I hear of abuse after abuse of how people are cheating the system and "why should I get a job when I get a gov't check and can come here and get more if I run out. It's all free money" Many of these people treat the staff as if they are to be their personal valet. As one of the few 'professionals' who donate regularly and respect the staff there, I have become friends with many of them and am even in their company's Fantasy football league. They see even more than me and have often told me that they staff their facility based on how close it is to or from the last/next 'gov't check day. ' End Rant :banghead:

hatt
10-13-2010, 11:47 AM
This should be very simple. If you get food stamps you buy food(meat(excluding lobster and filet), eggs, milk, flour, sugar, fruit, vegetables, and not snacks and goodies. Also, if you have an iphone/droid you don't qualify.

Cygnus
10-13-2010, 12:26 PM
Whooah so now you want to regulate their spending? :what:;)

This should be very simple. If you get food stamps you buy food(meat(excluding lobster and filet), eggs, milk, flour, sugar, fruit, vegetables, and not snacks and goodies. Also, if you have an iphone/droid you don't qualify.

jkkyler
10-13-2010, 12:35 PM
Whooah so now you want to regulate their spending? :what:;)


I don't begrudge people some snacks and there is supposed to be some limits on what can and can't be purchased w/ food stamps (which isn't the only form of gov't money ) but as far as regulating the spending - damn straight it is taxpayer money - let the taxpayer have some say. At my old job I wish I had the statistics of the number of people on medicaid who had LASIK eye surgery done. While not covered by medicaid as it is a cosmetic procedure, the numbers although not overwhelming, certainly were significant and those who couldn't pay out of pocket usually raised all sorts of hell in the office about how it was unfair and they were being discriminated against. One day when it was really slow I tried to get some guidance from gov't fraud waste and abuse hotlines as to how we were funding peoples healthcare who could afford to pay for $2000 elective procedures (or if it even was allowed). After being shuffled from one unkowing agency to the next after several hours I finally gave up. I mentioned it to my bosses several times thatsomething just wasn't right about this but as they were getting paid for the procedures they really didn't care.

On the rare occasions when I see somebody I am envious of for whatever reason I think- "Man I should have made some better choices along the way. Not the Gov't should be giving me some more (and taking more from them) to equal things out"

PFC5
10-13-2010, 01:11 PM
I know what you all mean. Please don't think I am without compassion. I don't begrudge helping people in need but I also feel a hand up is better than a handout. The system has become to easy to work and often encourages people to do less. Somebody I know lost his job but he was doing so well on unemployment (and doing odd jobs at his whim under the table) that he had no desire to find another one. "why should I work when I don't need to" was his prevailing attitude. Unfortunatelt it seems as if virtually everybody knows somebody who has worked the system or gotten over on the gov't. The rules are just broken. I hear commercials all the time for free cell phones and minutes for the needy and think "WTF" nobody needs a cell phone - we got along for quite a while w/o them. I often think about getting rid of mine but it is a CONVENIENCE that I have grown accustomed to though more often than not it is a pain in the ass.

When I was in the military as a young soldier with a wife and child, my family income was such that I qualified for welfare/public assistance but never applied for it or accepted it (like many I knew in the same situation as mine regularly did) because I didn't need it. By being frugal and living within my means I could always make ends meet though there wasn't much, if any left over. The temptation was there though - Why when I am already working about 50-60 hrs/wk shouldn't I take some 'free money', but I always reasoned that the money wasn't free it was taken from somebody else and was being given to somebody who needed it. I felt I didn't need it. If I truly had a need or hit bad times and some assistance was available to help get my family through I would swallow my pride and accept it so my family didn't suffer but the lessons I have learned by persevering and learing the values of hard work and making your way in the world have been priceless.The only 'public assistance' that I ever accepted was that there was a program for young soldiers to get discounted baby formula to help offset costs. For about 4 or 5 months while my daughter was on formula I did take advantage of that.
Times are tough now and I am glad that there are programs to help the needy. I have grown skeptical though due to rampant misuse and abuse of the system. I used to try and give a few $$ to panhandlers to try and help them out but don't really do that anymore but from time to time if I see somebody begging I will offer to take them to a diner across the street or nearby and buy them a meal and listen to their story to see if there is any advice or help I can offer. You would be surprised by the number of people who treat me with disdain or state "I would rather just have the money"

A lot of this comes from the fact that in order to fund my hobby of audiophile/Hi def I donate plasma 2x a week at the blood bank. This allows me to have some nice things that I otherwise couldn't afford and I get to help people in the process. My entire HT has been purchased this way over the past couple yrs. As a result, I have spent numerous hours there and hear people in the lobby talking (people talk in public areas/waiting rooms as if they have their own private booth somewhere about the most outlandish stuff- never can figure that one out). Every day I hear of abuse after abuse of how people are cheating the system and "why should I get a job when I get a gov't check and can come here and get more if I run out. It's all free money" Many of these people treat the staff as if they are to be their personal valet. As one of the few 'professionals' who donate regularly and respect the staff there, I have become friends with many of them and am even in their company's Fantasy football league. They see even more than me and have often told me that they staff their facility based on how close it is to or from the last/next 'gov't check day. ' End Rant :banghead:

Great post!!!

I agree that people need to get help to learn/get a trade job, etc to get off it ASAP. Remember when people only went on welfare as a last resort and then got off as quick as possible? People use to feel ashamed to go on it and did everything they could to get off it, but now it is a badge of honor for many/most (not all though).

Unemployment checks are not free either. Employers pay this and when the system gets underfunded like now employers have state unemployment tax rates that have tripled which will just make them wait longer to hire more workers because that rate is so high now. So paying out those extensions to unemployment have made it less affordable to hire new workers now because it has pushed the state rates so high. It is a double edged sword.

hatt
10-13-2010, 01:23 PM
Whooah so now you want to regulate their spending? :what:;)

They are FOOD stamps, not snack stamps, Yoohoo stamps, Snickers stamps. If they want to buy those things they can sacrifice and hold off on the newest Dolce & Gabbana bag. I know how terrible it is to not have the current season's designer gear but sometimes you have to tighten your last season's belt.

amdgamer
10-13-2010, 01:39 PM
Heard something on the radio yesterday that was so funny and sad (essentially because it is pretty truthful) at the same time. On the local morning show that is #1 in its slot - mainstream radio not talk/political station at all- a caller was talking to the hosts on a current topic when he stated:

' Looks like my time is up. I am going to have to let you go now. I need to head to work and earn because there are a 100 people and illegals on welfare counting on me to make us a living today'

Nearly spit out my coffee all over me at the bluntness of this. Something about it just resonated w/ me as recently I realized that with insurances and just about everything else rising I seem to be working harder for less and less take home.

Haha! We must have been listening to the same radio station. Was it 55KRC? I was sipping on a Coke Zero and nearly spit it out as I was driving.

kharaa
10-13-2010, 01:40 PM
They are FOOD stamps, not snack stamps, Yoohoo stamps, Snickers stamps. If they want to buy those things they can sacrifice and hold off on the newest Dolce & Gabbana bag. I know how terrible it is to not have the current season's designer gear but sometimes you have to tighten your last season's belt.

not that I disagree with you, I do agree actually.. but..

any substance that can be metabolized by an animal to give energy and build tissue

snacks count as food too. ;) think of it this way, if they eat snacks instead of food, they just die off quicker.

amdgamer
10-13-2010, 01:43 PM
not that I disagree with you, I do agree actually.. but..



snacks count as food too. ;) think of it this way, if they eat snacks instead of food, they just die off quicker.

Yes, but keep in mind that end of life health care is what really adds up in costs. If they die off quicker, that is one thing. However if they die off quicker but end up having to take $1000 worth of live sustaining drugs their last 6 years and require hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical care due to stroke, heart attack, or diabetes related complications, it becomes a problem.

hatt
10-13-2010, 01:51 PM
not that I disagree with you, I do agree actually.. but..



snacks count as food too. ;) think of it this way, if they eat snacks instead of food, they just die off quicker.

Foie Gras is food too. I'm likely going to be arrested if I ever see someone buying it with my money.

kharaa
10-13-2010, 01:54 PM
Yes, but keep in mind that end of life health care is what really adds up in costs. If they die off quicker, that is one thing. However if they die off quicker but end up having to take $1000 worth of live sustaining drugs their last 6 years and require hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical care due to stroke, heart attack, or diabetes related complications, it becomes a problem.



True.

Foie Gras is food too. I'm likely going to be arrested if I ever see someone buying it with my money.

I had to look up what foie gras was.

ew.

hdf_bob
10-13-2010, 02:28 PM
:lol: You would think this goes without saying, but in Michigan we have the "bridge" card (a welfare card). We actually have to try blocking their use in casinos!!! See this article - Bridge Cards Shouldn't Work in Casinos (http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20101005/OPINION01/10050303/Bridge-Cards-shouldn-t-work-in-casinos)

Bigloww
10-13-2010, 02:41 PM
1 major thing that pisses me off is how many times I am in line and someone with basket full of stuff paying with a Link card/food stamps, tries to buy a pack of Newports or bottle of liquor of some type. And then acted surprised everytime that they can't buy it with a Link Card.. And then complaining about it for 10 minutes thinking the cashier will just let it slide or some shit. All with 10 people behind them in line...:banghead:

But that casino thing takes the cake...Almost 2 billion last year..... Fu&k..

PFC5
10-13-2010, 02:46 PM
:lol: You would think this goes without saying, but in Michigan we have the "bridge" card (a welfare card). We actually have to try blocking their use in casinos!!! See this article - Bridge Cards Shouldn't Work in Casinos (http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20101005/OPINION01/10050303/Bridge-Cards-shouldn-t-work-in-casinos)

Shouldn't welfare people be able to spend their food stamp money in a casino like anyone else with their food budget money though? Oh they are persecuted so much. :lol:

jkkyler
10-13-2010, 03:18 PM
True.



I had to look up what foie gras was.

ew.

The fat content is so high (and I also think animal cruelty laws may come into play) that some cities have tried to ban the sale.

Foie Gras is food too. I'm likely going to be arrested if I ever see someone buying it with my money. :lol::crying:

amdgamer
10-13-2010, 04:00 PM
1 major thing that pisses me off is how many times I am in line and someone with basket full of stuff paying with a Link card/food stamps, tries to buy a pack of Newports or bottle of liquor of some type. And then acted surprised everytime that they can't buy it with a Link Card.. And then complaining about it for 10 minutes thinking the cashier will just let it slide or some shit. All with 10 people behind them in line...:banghead:

But that casino thing takes the cake...Almost 2 billion last year..... Fu&k..

Yup I see that a lot. It makes me so incredibly angry because usually these families on welfare and food stamps have like 8 or 9 kids at home living in a nuclear household family. I also love how they are checking out at my local grocery store with their cart filled with absolute snack food and junk food stuff only to have to wait behind them for 15 minutes as the cashier has to start removing stuff because they went way over their food stamps.

I always hear some academic come on the radio are talk on the news about how so many of these people on food stamp assistance can't afford to eat right and have to substitute for cheaper meat stuffs because they can't afford cilantro and parsley and other herbs(i'm exxagerating), but they also happen to have a food cart filled with little debbies, Grippos(a local potato chip that is one of the worst), and all sorts of junk. On top of this, they somehow manage to be able to afford to buy those "special" herbs off the street corner.

GymBrat98
10-13-2010, 05:59 PM
As you all know I don't get into politcal debates here, but I have to make an exception in this case. I only read a few of the comments, but I have to say I'm very disappointed in what I read so far. Except for Ckones response, you rawk.

I help the elderly in my area by going to the grocery store for them, because they no longer have a license to drive, and cabs are very expensive. I use their food stamp card to buy their groceries, and then I get into my expensive car. I do other things like fix their computers, and occasionally do home health care if they need care after being in the hospital.

Sometimes things are no what they appear to be, sometimes people are trying to do the right thing. This is how I give back instead of writing a check.

If you were behind me in line would you run here to write about it? :2cents

kharaa
10-13-2010, 06:11 PM
are you loading their carts full of snack food, and ciggeretes and alcohol, brat?

Or do you buy them a pretty balanced list of groceries? No one here is aiming their frustrations here, at the elderly, disabled, or the other people who LEGITIMATELY need welfare.

It's aimed to the negligent mothers and fathers whom continue to breed, when they can't afford their children, sponging off society while they sit there watching dr phil and oprah all day, smoking their primetimes and getting fatter on snack food.

Perfect example of welfare trash? Nadya Suleman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman

again brat this is NOT aimed at those who legitimately have a problem, just those too damn lazy to improve their situation.

amdgamer
10-13-2010, 06:18 PM
Mrs. Gymbrat, I was about to respond to you but Kharraa just said exactly what I was about to say, and even better than I would have said it. This is exactly what our complaints are. Kudos to you and your dedication to the elderly, many of whome legitimately need the assistance.

are you loading their carts full of snack food, and ciggeretes and alcohol, brat?

Or do you buy them a pretty balanced list of groceries? No one here is aiming their frustrations here, at the elderly, disabled, or the other people who LEGITIMATELY need welfare.

It's aimed to the negligent mothers and fathers whom continue to breed, when they can't afford their children, sponging off society while they sit there watching dr phil and oprah all day, smoking their primetimes and getting fatter on snack food.

Perfect example of welfare trash? Nadya Suleman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman

again brat this is NOT aimed at those who legitimately have a problem, just those too damn lazy to improve their situation.

hdf_bob
10-13-2010, 07:06 PM
Sometimes things are no what they appear to be, sometimes people are trying to do the right thing. This is how I give back instead of writing a check.

If you were behind me in line would you run here to write about it? :2cents

:huh Ummmm yeah. If I saw you using it in the casino like the problems we've been having here in Michigan, I think I'd have a problem with that. And I don't think I've seen complaints about legitimate usage of assistance, buuut this is one more example of government involvement in [choose your program/entitlement] that ends up with an awful lot of corruption, abuse, and general mis-handling.

hatt
10-13-2010, 09:07 PM
Sometimes things are no what they appear to be, sometimes people are trying to do the right thing. [/SIZE][/B]

But most of the time they are what they appear to be. Let's not forget that.

jkkyler
10-13-2010, 09:59 PM
As you all know I don't get into politcal debates here, but I have to make an exception in this case. I only read a few of the comments, but I have to say I'm very disappointed in what I read so far. Except for Ckones response, you rawk.

I help the elderly in my area by going to the grocery store for them, because they no longer have a license to drive, and cabs are very expensive. I use their food stamp card to buy their groceries, and then I get into my expensive car. I do other things like fix their computers, and occasionally do home health care if they need care after being in the hospital.

Sometimes things are no what they appear to be, sometimes people are trying to do the right thing. This is how I give back instead of writing a check.

If you were behind me in line would you run here to write about it? :2cents

:yippee: Kudos to you - the world needs more people like you who are willing help the needy.
If you go back and read my post you will see that I state I am for helping people who need it but the sytem is broken and is being abused. When people find it moore advantafeous to be on the gov't dime when they need not be because it is easy that pisses me off.Like I said I frequently offer to take people down on their luck to a diner or restaurant but am more likely than not to be berated for it. I don't think anybody here is heartless but I see and hear excesses every day.
Believe it or not a lot of people don't even understand what good nutrition is and I am willing to be very reasonable with expenditures. It would be nice to have a monitoring system set-up where a percentage of your purchases must meet a minimum nutritional standard but this would become another wasteful gov't program.

hdf_bob
10-14-2010, 10:02 AM
:yippee: Kudos to you - the world needs more people like you who are willing help the needy.
If you go back and read my post you will see that I state I am for helping people who need it but the sytem is broken and is being abused. When people find it moore advantafeous to be on the gov't dime when they need not be because it is easy that pisses me off.Like I said I frequently offer to take people down on their luck to a diner or restaurant but am more likely than not to be berated for it. I don't think anybody here is heartless but I see and hear excesses every day.


I think that's generally how everyone feels, and before the "system" was put in place, people just used to help each other out. That sort of thing generally work a lot better than having a bureaucracy deciding who to help and how to help them. As soon as the rules are written down by the gov't, someone starts looking for a way to cheat the system.

GymBrat98
10-15-2010, 03:43 PM
are you loading their carts full of snack food, and ciggeretes and alcohol, brat?

Or do you buy them a pretty balanced list of groceries? No one here is aiming their frustrations here, at the elderly, disabled, or the other people who LEGITIMATELY need welfare.

It's aimed to the negligent mothers and fathers whom continue to breed, when they can't afford their children, sponging off society while they sit there watching dr phil and oprah all day, smoking their primetimes and getting fatter on snack food.

Perfect example of welfare trash? Nadya Suleman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman

again brat this is NOT aimed at those who legitimately have a problem, just those too damn lazy to improve their situation.

Shouldn't the same rule apply to obese police, and firefighters? Or for anyone who gets taxpayer monies?

Frankly, I don't think anyone should be able to tell a elderly person who has paid into the Social security system their whole life that they can't have a freaking bottle of soda!:2cents

kharaa
10-15-2010, 04:47 PM
Shouldn't the same rule apply to obese police, and firefighters? Or for anyone who gets taxpayer monies?

Frankly, I don't think anyone should be able to tell a elderly person who has paid into the Social security system their whole life that they can't have a freaking bottle of soda!:2cents


except.. those firefighters work, and pretty much earn their keep, welfare trash like nadya suleman do not.

Again, this is not about the eldarly or the disabled, I don't know how much I can overstate that. :P

hatt
10-15-2010, 04:50 PM
Shouldn't the same rule apply to obese police, and firefighters? Or for anyone who gets taxpayer monies?
Really?

Frankly, I don't think anyone should be able to tell a elderly person who has paid into the Social security system their whole life that they can't have a freaking bottle of soda!:2cents

I've never heard anyone say anything about what someone can buy with their SS check. Link?

amdgamer
10-16-2010, 10:40 AM
Shouldn't the same rule apply to obese police, and firefighters? Or for anyone who gets taxpayer monies?

Frankly, I don't think anyone should be able to tell a elderly person who has paid into the Social security system their whole life that they can't have a freaking bottle of soda!:2cents


Girl, there is a HUGE difference between freeloading and earning your keep. People who get tax payer money for doing a job are EARNING their money.

As hatt says, welfare trash like Nadya Suleman are a totally different story. There is a difference between earning money and freeloading money. If I as a tax payer am giving you my hardearned money, you damn well bet I am going to tell you how it should and shouldn't be spent. For an elderly person using his SS money to buy a bottle of soda, that is not the same as welfare trash like Octomon because that elderly man earned it by working and putting money into the system his entire life.

Rick-F
10-21-2010, 01:49 PM
My compassion for those on welfare pretty much runs out after the second generation . . .it's nearly all gone by the 3rd or 4th . . .

jkkyler
10-21-2010, 02:54 PM
My compassion for those on welfare pretty much runs out after the second generation . . .it's nearly all gone by the 3rd or 4th . . .

Damn Rick-F you got a lot of patience then.- more than most;)

PFC5
10-21-2010, 02:59 PM
My compassion for those on welfare pretty much runs out after the second generation . . .it's nearly all gone by the 3rd or 4th . . .

Damn Rick-F you got a lot of patience then.- more than most;)

Certainly more than I have. I think my limit would be 1/3 of the 1st generation. :p

GymBrat98
10-21-2010, 03:48 PM
are you loading their carts full of snack food, and ciggeretes and alcohol, brat?

At this point you knew I was talking about the elderly! That's why I mentioned the soda.

I realize people are abusing the system, but what I don't get is all the hate. I don't want a cap in my ass because some douche thinks I'm abusing the system, and I'm simply buying food for another human being. I guarantee you someone will get hurt or killed, because of all this hate. I've had a confrontation with someone already.

So let me reiterate, I posted because I'm concerned about getting hurt or killed because of all the anger out there. It won't stop me from helping people, but I sure as hell don't want to die because of it!

I was leaving the store, and a dude yelled at me,"Nice to see my hard earned tax dollars can provide you with such a nice ride" I cleaned it up, because he didn't say it that nice.

At first I was like, who is he talking to, and I looked around, and it was me. I honestly didn't have a clue, and then it hit me. He was behind me in line. So you see, it wasn't as it appeared to be, but he thought it was. I was getting ready to yell back Fuq off, but I didn't because who knows how crazy he was. He had no right accosting me like that.

Welfare cheats aren't the only people abusing taxpayers.

PFC5
10-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Your right Brat! There are cases like when nice people like you are helping the elderly and you should be commended for that. :bowdown:

But there IS a lot of waste and cheats in the system and people are getting angry but it should be with politicians for not fixing it, not as much with hating on the individuals for just your example as the reason why. It is not always as it appears, but I bet more times than not it IS as it appears. Not everyone is as nice as you. ;)

GymBrat98
10-21-2010, 06:05 PM
Your right Brat! There are cases like when nice people like you are helping the elderly and you should be commended for that. :bowdown:

But there IS a lot of waste and cheats in the system and people are getting angry but it should be with politicians for not fixing it, not as much with hating on the individuals for just your example as the reason why. It is not always as it appears, but I bet more times than not it IS as it appears. Not everyone is as nice as you. ;)

Thanks P, you totally get my point.:yippee: I appreciate you saying I'm nice, but I think it's more like I would want someone to help me, if I was in that position, karma.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/LIovemykittez/My%20Posterz/KittyStuff/prettyeye.gif

amdgamer
10-21-2010, 06:22 PM
Thanks P, you totally get my point.:yippee: I appreciate you saying I'm nice, but I think it's more like I would want someone to help me, if I was in that position, karma.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/LIovemykittez/My%20Posterz/KittyStuff/prettyeye.gif

I really worry about your safety. When you are out there shopping for the elderly, maybe you can pick up one of those $200 cars that barely runs. I know some shyster a few blocks from me who is always selling $200 cars to dopeboys who deal their product from them. Dopeboys don't drive nice cars anymore after they started getting impounded.

GymBrat98
10-21-2010, 06:42 PM
I really worry about your safety. When you are out there shopping for the elderly, maybe you can pick up one of those $200 cars that barely runs. I know some shyster a few blocks from me who is always selling $200 cars to dopeboys who deal their product from them. Dopeboys don't drive nice cars anymore after they started getting impounded.

Why would I get a hooptie? I shouldn't have to change the car I paid for because some douche is irrational about his/her taxes, and they think it gives them the right to get all up on my grill!

PFC5
10-21-2010, 06:50 PM
Thanks P, you totally get my point.:yippee: I appreciate you saying I'm nice, but I think it's more like I would want someone to help me, if I was in that position, karma.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/LIovemykittez/My%20Posterz/KittyStuff/prettyeye.gif

I am the same way. Follow the golden rule. But that DOES make you nice. ;)

GymBrat98
10-21-2010, 06:55 PM
I am the same way. Follow the golden rule. But that DOES make you nice. ;)

Thank You :)

amdgamer
10-21-2010, 07:22 PM
Why would I get a hooptie? I shouldn't have to change the car I paid for because some douche is irrational about his/her taxes, and they think it gives them the right to get all up on my grill!

If someone is irrational, then they can be dangerous and I don't want anything bad to happen to you. Just look at the person in America who tried to start a draw Mahomet day and is now in hiding. She had to change her lifestyle to keep herself safe because muslic extremists are trying to hunt her down and kill her.

I know its not the same, but i've got a pounding migraine right now and can't think of any better examples. I just want HDF's only sweetie to be safe. We all love you here, even if we do get vulgar.

jkkyler
10-22-2010, 06:59 AM
Ditto here Gymbrat- I hope you remain safe and violence doesn't find you. Too often it gets directed at the innocent bystanders (or in your case helper). Once again, you are to be commended for your kind actions. Once upon a time in this country that was the norm instead of the exception.
As many of us know, values and sense of civic duty in this country have eroded tremendously. Times are tough and everybody seems to be dealing with less which makes people that much more upset when they see abuse of the system which seems to run rampant.

Rick-F
10-22-2010, 09:35 AM
Certainly more than I have. I think my limit would be 1/3 of the 1st generation. :p

We certainly are now into the 4th generation in some welfare families-- what have YOU and jkyyler been doing to end this cycle for the last 2 or 3 generations?

You realize I was being facetious . . . or perhaps ironic . . .

PFC5
10-22-2010, 09:39 AM
I vote for people who want to limit the use of welfare. Usually that means fiscally conservative politicians, but they are far and few between.

Rick-F
10-22-2010, 09:50 AM
Gymbrat is right about there being a lot of anger out there. I'm starting to feel that way.

I perceive very little difference between a hungry person sticking a gun to my head and taking my food (or money)-- than an oppressive, out of control government taking my money and giving it to some welfare cheat, General Motors, UAW, or bailing out some deadbeat's mortgage. And sadly anger is often directed at any person even perceived to be part of the process.

Dead right and dead wrong are essentially the same: you're still dead.

GymBrat98
10-22-2010, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the concern guys, I really appreciate it. :):):)

You guys get vulgar?:haha::haha:

I'm a Capricorn, I can't change who I am, or how I do things. If you had to travel because your job required it, would you refuse to go on the off chance you could be in a plane accident? They depend on me, and that's it. Like I said before, I won't say fuq off to anyone who confronts me. I'll just get in my car, and leave. If they follow me, I'll pull into the State Police.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not" Kurt Cobain

jkkyler
10-22-2010, 02:20 PM
I vote for people who want to limit the use of welfare. Usually that means fiscally conservative politicians, but they are far and few between.

As do I , also I have been known to call the govt. fraud, waste and abuse hotline when I see examples but usually when I do it is just to get shuflled from unkowing clerk to uncaring supervisor. :mad:

Rick-F I didn't realize you were kidding I thought you were just way more tolerant than I .

Once when I had just gotten to a new duty station in the ARMY the guy next to me was getting out and I had asked him where he was going to and what he planned on doing. His response - "I am going to the library and doing some research to see which states have the best welfare benefits and I am going to move there and go do that for a while and after that I'll probably see if I can use my GI bill. :banghead:

GymBrat98
10-22-2010, 02:40 PM
As do I , also I have been known to call the govt. fraud, waste and abuse hotline when I see examples but usually when I do it is just to get shuflled from unkowing clerk to uncaring supervisor. :mad:

Rick-F I didn't realize you were kidding I thought you were just way more tolerant than I .

Once when I had just gotten to a new duty station in the ARMY the guy next to me was getting out and I had asked him where he was going to and what he planned on doing. His response - "I am going to the library and doing some research to see which states have the best welfare benefits and I am going to move there and go do that for a while and after that I'll probably see if I can use my GI bill. :banghead:

My heart breaks for homeless vets:crying:. I watched this program a few nights ago that helps them get off drugs, and gives them a place to live, and a job. It seems like when they no longer have that structure, it's really hard for them to acclimate to civilian life. I can't blame them for trying to get what they need. I had no idea we had so many homeless vets.

PFC5
10-22-2010, 04:02 PM
My heart breaks for homeless vets:crying:. I watched this program a few nights ago that helps them get off drugs, and gives them a place to live, and a job. It seems like when they no longer have that structure, it's really hard for them to acclimate to civilian life. I can't blame them for trying to get what they need. I had no idea we had so many homeless vets.

I was on the board of directors for a drug free Veteran Transitional Housing program because it is a bigger problem than you think. In these touchy feeling days our soldiers were raised to be more in touch with their feelings so naturally the horrors of war will effect them more than it did earlier generations.

We need to take better care of our vets after they are done protecting us. So far we have not done enough IMO.

kharaa
10-22-2010, 04:43 PM
one of my best friends, and is actually the oldest friend I have (have known him since we were in third grade.) is a wounded vet, he is 70 percent disabled. He served 3 tours, 2 in Iraq, one in Afganistan. Great guy.

rucinsky6
10-22-2010, 05:27 PM
If you can buy cigarettes and beer, then you don't need food stamps. Although I think the government prolly spends more money on crap that this country doesn't need, than they do on welfare.

PFC5
10-23-2010, 01:48 AM
one of my best friends, and is actually the oldest friend I have (have known him since we were in third grade.) is a wounded vet, he is 70 percent disabled. He served 3 tours, 2 in Iraq, one in Afganistan. Great guy.

Please tell him my family & I thank him for his sacrifice for us and our country. :bowdown:

kharaa
10-23-2010, 04:29 AM
Please tell him my family & I thank him for his sacrifice for us and our country. :bowdown:

I'd be happy to, PFC5. We may have differing political views, but we both can agree on one thing, and that is our undying admiration and respect for our fighting forces.

If it were not for some of my own medical issues I was born with, I would have enlisted when I was 17(through the delayed entry program)


Always did want to be one of the guys shooting the rockets from an MLRS or something. ;)

ImRizzo
10-23-2010, 07:26 AM
Please tell him my family & I thank him for his sacrifice for us and our country. :bowdown:

Please include me on that list of Thanks givers, it is terribly unselfish of those members of the military who put their lives on the line so that we can live in peace and comfort at home. They have my intensive respect and admiration for their sacrifices.

unotis
10-23-2010, 01:47 PM
I was on the board of directors for a drug free Veteran Transitional Housing program because it is a bigger problem than you think. In these touchy feeling days our soldiers were raised to be more in touch with their feelings so naturally the horrors of war will effect them more than it did earlier generations.

We need to take better care of our vets after they are done protecting us. So far we have not done enough IMO.

Thank you PFC5 for that statement, it has gotten better but we can still do more.

PFC5
10-23-2010, 01:59 PM
Thank you PFC5 for that statement, it has gotten better but we can still do more.

I agree more still needs to be done, and it is "I" who thank you for YOUR sacrifices for my family and our country. :bowdown:

unotis
10-23-2010, 02:45 PM
Thank you, but I did what I believe is the duty of any healthy American male and I'm damn proud of my service even though at the time many people ridiculed and spit on us in public (bad times for us all).

ImRizzo
10-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Thank you, but I did what I believe is the duty of any healthy American male and I'm damn proud of my service even though at the time many people ridiculed and spit on us in public (bad times for us all).

Unotis I offer you my thanks and appreciation for your services, I had many friends who served in Nam and were spat on and be-littled for their sacrifices and I lost several friends over there and they were only remembered as being somewhere they didn't belong anyway. And were condemned for coming home addicted to drugs and deep stages of depression and weren't offered any assistance or rehab. At least this time around we are more aware of the effects of these conflicts and were making progress in helping them recover.

oblioman
10-23-2010, 07:23 PM
Gymbrat is right about there being a lot of anger out there. I'm starting to feel that way.

I perceive very little difference between a hungry person sticking a gun to my head and taking my food (or money)-- than an oppressive, out of control government taking my money and giving it to some welfare cheat, General Motors, UAW, or bailing out some deadbeat's mortgage. And sadly anger is often directed at any person even perceived to be part of the process.

Dead right and dead wrong are essentially the same: you're still dead.

Just out of curiosity,,,how many deadbeats got bailed out of their underwater mortgages vs deadbeat bankers that got bailed out? The oppressive, out of control government, led by a republican, was approached by a republican in Oct. of 2008 asking for a bailout. Be a good year NOT to vote for the oppressive teapublicans.

PFC5
10-23-2010, 11:48 PM
Just out of curiosity,,,how many deadbeats got bailed out of their underwater mortgages vs deadbeat bankers that got bailed out? The oppressive, out of control government, led by a republican, was approached by a republican in Oct. of 2008 asking for a bailout. Be a good year NOT to vote for the oppressive teapublicans.

The first bank bailout was necessary to keep banks liquid enough to not fail. We would have almost definitely had another "great depression" with massive bank failures otherwise IMO. It was all the additional funds that went to them after the initial money. We really were on the brink.

It is all the continued bailouts that were a waste IMO.