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Toshiba 34HF84 or 34HF85?

HighDefWannabe
09-08-2005, 08:17 PM
Hi all,

I think I finally decided to go with the 34".

I've seen differing opinions on the 84 and 85. Is the 84 truly superior?

I like the color of the 85 but the 84 looks like it has smaller dimensions and I hear the picture qualiy is better.

At first, I will mainly be watching SD channels through Dish network so I would like a good picture.

The 84's smaller dimensions (if it's true) will help me sway the wife since we won't have to replace our TV stand (it only fits up to a 32" but the dimensions look like it might fit).

Any Toshiba users who want to chime in?

ja2935
09-08-2005, 09:40 PM
I believe the external dimension are identical. My 84 is just under 34" wide. Go to the Toshiba website and download the user manual to get all the dimensions.

Someone on another thread made the statement that the 85 picture is inferior to the 84 but it needs some objective comparative test results to convince me - not just one persons 'opinion'. I would be very surprised if there is any difference as the tubes are probably the same.

Emsurfer
09-08-2005, 10:04 PM
Ja,

Since you have the 34HF84, when you get a chance, could you take a look at the 34HF85 and see if there is a difference? I already know the answer but just so we have hard data when trolling Walt returns.
:eek:

ctjetta
09-08-2005, 10:51 PM
ALERT-ALERT
I'll be getting my 34hf 85 delivered later on today. Well, before I went to bed I decided to do a little quick research. Went to Crutchfield.com. Clicked on 34hf85 and 34hfx85 to compare. Hit this neat little icon- something to the effect of eliminate all similar features. The page goes blank ecept for one teeny, tiny, little item...the 34 hf85 IS NOT A FLAT SCREEN.
According to Crutchfield the 30"ers are flat and 34hfx85 is. So, if this is an issue for you, you've been warned.
Now, what am I going to do? Hmmmm.... :mad:

ctjetta
09-09-2005, 06:29 AM
follow-up:

Well, woke up this morning to the doorbell-7:55 a.m. This should have been a good thing as it was my brand spanking new tv being delivered.

Alas, I refused delivery. D***-it, I want a flat screen!

Does this make me a bad person? :(

ja2935
09-09-2005, 07:12 AM
follow-up:

Well, woke up this morning to the doorbell-7:55 a.m. This should have been a good thing as it was my brand spanking new tv being delivered.

Alas, I refused delivery. D***-it, I want a flat screen!

Does this make me a bad person? :(

Probably - did you even open the box to check?

My understanding is that the differences between same size HF and HFX are functional not physical - and almost certainly have the same tube....

I stand to be corrected....but!

ctjetta
09-09-2005, 07:30 AM
Look in the box? I was barely dressed when I answered the door. I am not the most lucid when I first get out of bed.
Regardless, after doing a little more research, now that I was up, I went to the Toshiba site. No 34hf85 is listed. However, eversite referencing the 34hf 85 says it IS a flat screen. I trusted one site to be correct. Stupid me.
I had intended to call the store this morning to confirm what I had seen online. But, having failed to call the 800 delivery number last night I was unprepared for an 8:00a.m. delivery.
Well, now it's time for damage control.
I apologize for passing on info from one site as factual. The've been reliabe in the past. I should have been more careful. My bad. :(

ja2935
09-09-2005, 07:40 AM
Ja,

Since you have the 34HF84, when you get a chance, could you take a look at the 34HF85 and see if there is a difference? I already know the answer but just so we have hard data when trolling Walt returns.
:eek:
Alas that is impossible - unless for some strange reason I had an 85 delivered to my home to compare side by side with the same feed - and even than I would have to adjust it to my DVE disk. The user picture settings go 0-100 on the 84 but 0-50 on the 85 (so I read). Also you are unlikely to see an 84 and an 85 together in the same store.
Just buy one, get it home and be amazed!

Emsurfer
09-09-2005, 08:52 AM
My point exactly. So how does Walt know that the 84 has a better picture than the 85 just because the tube is "made" by Orion vs. Toshiba. :eek:

Qwert0000
09-09-2005, 02:29 PM
I believe the 85 is wider. Around 35 1/2 inches. Just fits in my 36 inch space.

Also something else to keep in mind, The 85 is almost 24 inches deep. Was able to make an adjustment to my entertainment center to handle this, but it wasnt something I really thought about before bringing it home.


Good luck....

HighDefWannabe
09-10-2005, 09:42 AM
Thanks for the info all. It seems that many people haven't seen a side-by-side comparison.

I've found the 34HF84 refurbished at a few online stores.

Is it better to get a new 34HF84 or refurbed 34HF85?

ja2935
09-10-2005, 01:45 PM
Thanks for the info all. It seems that many people haven't seen a side-by-side comparison.

I've found the 34HF84 refurbished at a few online stores.

Is it better to get a new 34HF84 or refurbed 34HF85?
Or perhaps the other way round?

HighDefWannabe
09-10-2005, 03:15 PM
LOL. Yeah, sorry about that.

Is it better to get a new 34HF85 or refurbed 34HF84?

ja2935
09-10-2005, 06:20 PM
To decide which is the best in terms of features and appearance is a decision for you to make depending on whether you can get an accurate comparison of available features - I see that although the user's manual for the 84 is available to download from the Toshiba site, the 85 is not!

If you are talking refurb, some people think that refurbs could be a good bet as refurbished items go through much more extensive testing than new units. I bought a factory refurbished Toshiba DVD player (because I wanted a model no longer in production) and it has been fine. Not all refurbs were returned for faults, some were returned for other reasons but still get fully tested.

waltchan
09-11-2005, 01:15 PM
LOL. Yeah, sorry about that.

Is it better to get a new 34HF85 or refurbed 34HF84? Go with the refurbished 34HF84.

ja2935
09-13-2005, 03:02 PM
Just wandered around BB and saw the 34HF85 (as it happens right next to a Sony 34XBR960). From memory the housing looked a bit different to mine and according to the placard is about an inch wider.

Both TVs were poorly set up so comparison would not be fair, and, guess what, all the remotes were missing!

The Sony housing looks much more massive than the Toshiba's and as a consequence the screen actually looks bigger too! Of course the other thing that looks and actually is bigger is the price $1800 for the Sony, $950 for the Toshiba!!!

Sorry Sony fans (me included) but that's a no-brainer!

jsslifelike
09-13-2005, 06:08 PM
I really don't even wanna get into how these stores setup their CRTs- they treat them like the in-laws that everyone just tolerates because they're family. That really burns my ass...

The Sony housing looks much more massive than the Toshiba's and as a consequence the screen actually looks bigger too!
Yeah well, that Sony also weighs in at over 193 lbs whereas the Tosh is 156. The lil' chubbo must be packin' on the pounds somewhere...

erikiq0
10-11-2005, 12:31 PM
Well, I recently purchased a toshbia 34 widescreen HD.

I've got a klipsch cinema 8 series speaker system with a pretty good yamaha reciever.

brand new LG upconversion dvd player with HDMI going to the TV.

my question is - why would the resolution be splotchy on high-resolution? why do i see a little bit of fuzz?

If i have basic analog cable am I going to have a inferior picture on my HD?

why is there a fuzzy yellow patch at the left bottom of the screen?

it's not near any speakers, but the LG dvd player is below it.

thoughts?

thanks

erik

Grok
11-19-2005, 08:19 PM
Found this review on Amazon.com. There were other reviews that disputed this claim, and apparantly Toshiba vehemently denies it. Does anyone know what the deal is?
BTW, I just bought a 34hf85. :confused:



Looks like the days of the good Toshiba's are gone.

The prior model, the 34HF84, was a genuine Toshiba built unit. As you may know for the last few years the big screen Toshiba televisions have been produced in house by Toshiba - generally getting high marks on quality, picture, etc. while the smaller units were outsourced to Orion. Orion produces various electronics for any number of companies (they build it, and stamp someone elses name on it) which usually end up with middling to poor quality reviews.

Well guess what, welcome to the start of outsourced big tube TV's by Toshiba. This is the new wave, poor quality Orion produced big Toshiba with nothing more than the Toshiba name stamped on the front of the TV and the remote.

So forget everything you have heard in the past about the large tube Toshiba's being a safe bet. This TV now falls in the ranks of all the other low end junk being cranked out by low wage, cut corner, sweat shops.

There is a reason the 34HF85 came out, replaced the 34HF84, and the price dropped by hundreds of dollars. Base your opinions of this model on talk of *this* model, but do not judge it based on prior Toshiba units.

I'm steering far clear of anything made by Orion, it's really sad to see one of the last few companies that still produced a good quality TV that you could expect to get at least ten years out of goes the way of the gutter. I would have happily paid $200 more for a TV that would last three times as long, but alas Toshiba is no longer it.

waltchan
11-20-2005, 11:47 PM
It's already been admitted that Toshiba does deal with Orion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba

It's somewhere at the history section.