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942 emergency connection question

ericpd
09-08-2005, 12:55 PM
Been a while since last visit. I have a 3 month old Mit 62" HDTV connected to my 942. The Mit died the other day and the visiting repair person said the problem and extended warranty/standard warranty qualified me for a replacement. They came and pulled it out of the wall this morning. I rolled my VERY old Toshiba 4x3 Hi-def into the hole but realized there was no way of connecting the 942. If you guys can remember, the very very early HD's only had three types of connections, co-ax, s-video and component. And component was reserved for the high-end models which mine ain't. So I'm stuck s-video and co-ax only on the Toshiba and component and DVI only on the 942. I guess I could use the TV2 outs, but that's accupied feeding the set in the basement and there's a neiborhood full of teens (including two who belong to me) who would riot if I yanked that.

Is there a way to rig something or down convert a component signal to a s-video connection so my 942 won't be idle for what I understand could be as long as three to four weeks?

Thanks!

jergenf
09-08-2005, 01:08 PM
By component do you mean, BNC connectors or RCA type?
Also which signal standard?
Y,Cr,Cb
Y,Pr,Pb
R,G,B
R,G,B.H,V

ericpd
09-08-2005, 06:51 PM
By component do you mean, BNC connectors or RCA type?
Also which signal standard?
Y,Cr,Cb
Y,Pr,Pb
R,G,B
R,G,B.H,V

RCA type,... you know, the red, blue & green RCA connectors on the back of the DishPlayer 942 Dual Tuner HD DVR receiver. Which standard they are,... I don't know.

I just need to be able to take the three separate component signals from those video outs on the back of the 942 and somehow convert them down to two separate s-video compatible signals so that the Toshiba's s-video input connector can see it and put a decent image on the screen until the NEW Mit arrives. Any ideas?

garys
09-08-2005, 07:42 PM
Some electronics companies have a RCA to S-video addaptor. If you add a RCA splitter with two RCA-S adaptors will do what you want. Hit Radio Shack.

jergenf
09-09-2005, 07:33 AM
RCA type,... you know, the red, blue & green RCA connectors on the back of the DishPlayer 942 Dual Tuner HD DVR receiver. Which standard they are,... I don't know.

I just need to be able to take the three separate component signals from those video outs on the back of the 942 and somehow convert them down to two separate s-video compatible signals so that the Toshiba's s-video input connector can see it and put a decent image on the screen until the NEW Mit arrives. Any ideas?
Here's the problem the 942 does not have a s-video output, only a composite output. Both the composite and s-video are only 480i but the s-video displays cleaner color and no dot crawl compared to the composite. This means you won't be getting HD with your Toshiba (unless your toshiba actually has component inputs but then you wouldn't be asking).

Here's a list of the popular video connections:

Composite (Y+C combined into one signal [480i only]) present on the 942.
S-video (4 pin din connector with separate Y and C [480i only] ) the 942 is missing this for some reason.
Y,Cr,Cb (component for separate Y with full resolution R & B [480i only]) use Y,Pr,Pb connections and set 942 to 480i mode.
Y,Pr,Pb (component for separate Y with full resolution R & B [480i,480p,720p,1080i]) present on the 942
R,G,B (computer format for full resolution R G B [includes many progressive only formats]) not present on the 942
VGA (15 pin computer format for full resolution R G B [includes many progressive only formats]) not present on the 942
DVI-D (digital connection 24 pin for many progressive formats) for 942 use supplied HDMI-DVI cable.
DVI-I (digital and RGB connection 24 pin + 4 pin analog for many progressive formats) for 942 use supplied HDMI-DVI cable and/or obtain a DVI to RGB cable to connect to an RGB display.
HDMI (digital and audio connection for many progressive formats) present on the 942

Note: Except for HDMI all other connections require separate connection for audio which may include separate RCA connections for L & R or 1/8 inch mini jack.

ericpd
09-09-2005, 08:45 AM
Here's the problem the 942 does not have a s-video output, only a composite output. Both the composite and s-video are only 480i but the s-video displays cleaner color and no dot crawl compared to the composite. This means you won't be getting HD with your Toshiba (unless your toshiba actually has component inputs but then you wouldn't be asking).

Here's a list of the popular video connections:

Composite (Y+C combined into one signal [480i only]) present on the 942.
S-video (4 pin din connector with separate Y and C [480i only] ) the 942 is missing this for some reason.
Y,Cr,Cb (component for separate Y with full resolution R & B [480i only]) use Y,Pr,Pb connections and set 942 to 480i mode.
Y,Pr,Pb (component for separate Y with full resolution R & B [480i,480p,720p,1080i]) present on the 942
R,G,B (computer format for full resolution R G B [includes many progressive only formats]) not present on the 942
VGA (15 pin computer format for full resolution R G B [includes many progressive only formats]) not present on the 942
DVI-D (digital connection 24 pin for many progressive formats) for 942 use supplied HDMI-DVI cable.
DVI-I (digital and RGB connection 24 pin + 4 pin analog for many progressive formats) for 942 use supplied HDMI-DVI cable and/or obtain a DVI to RGB cable to connect to an RGB display.
HDMI (digital and audio connection for many progressive formats) present on the 942

Note: Except for HDMI all other connections require separate connection for audio which may include separate RCA connections for L & R or 1/8 inch mini jack.

Ok, now I'm really confused,... to the point where my head is beginning to hurt. Picture Col. O'Niell's facial expressions while getting a lecture on the anatomy of a worm-hole from Maj. Carter. Yeah, that intense. LOL!

Seriously, I pulled my 942 out to look on the back. The Component video type is Y Pr Pb. The only composite (co-ax) out I see is the one in the TV2 grouping, and it's marked (CH 21-69 OUT), not sure what that means. My only video out options under the TV1 grouping is component (Y Pr Pb) and HDMI. The other two are audio only (Optical 5.1 and RCA). I'm hoping a cable (adaptor) exists that will allow me to connect to the 942's TV1 Component (Y Pr Pb) video out and run that signal to the Toshiba's s-video in. If one exists, a pointer to where I could probably find it would be very helpful.

Don't want to spend toooooooo much on this as I will only need this connection for maybe a month. Until my replacement 62" Mit arrives.

I originally tried using the internal switching of my Pioneer Elite A/V VSX-37TX, but you can't mix video formats. In other words, you can't run all of your video gear into the Pioneer using one format (say component) then have the pioneer switch it internally and output those video signals to the HDTV using it's s-video monitor outs. That would be nice and solve my problem, but the Pioneer ain't that smart. Currently, all my gear is going into the Pioneer via component connections,... even the X-Box! Yeah, I could easily switch all my 'gear in' connections to the Pioneer to s-video temporarily ( I have enough of those cabel laying around), but for the lack of a s-video out on the back of the 942.

Damn,.... need help!!!!!

numbskully
09-09-2005, 09:13 AM
The "only" and cheapest solution I see,is to split the tv2 output.You will have to watch what the kids are watching.Don't fret too much though,you would be suprised to see what they are watching nowadays. :D

jergenf
09-09-2005, 10:35 AM
I guess in need to know what your Toshiba has for inputs? I was a bit confused when you stated "my VERY old Toshiba 4x3 Hi-def" I believe your set doesn't display progressive formats and/or doesn't even have component inputs such as Y,Cr,Cb.

Personally I have the 921 so I can switch from HD to SD and use the s-video or composite or even chan 3 coax as an alternative should my HD set become unavailable.

If your Toshiba only has s-video/composite inputs you won't be able to connect to the component outputs of your 942. You'll need another device in the middle that accepts progressive and allows interlace output. An example may be some DVD-recorders or maybe your Pioneer Elite has that capability. There could be some standalone
converters or scan converters that allow that.

Have you ever used your 942 in dual user mode where the TV2 outputs to another TV in your house on a UHF channel (which you preconfigered in the range of 21 - 69)? If not I'm not certain if TV2's outputs are even active which could make life differcult when you don't have another set that displays progressive formats from TV1.

You may be able to activate dual user mode but you might need to bring your unit to someone who has an HD set so that you can configure things like setting up the component for 480p mode and dual user mode so that TV2 is activated. Then you may be able to have limited use of you 942 through the composite or coax outputs from TV2 section. For example you might not be able to access OTA from TV2 (except for pre-recorded programs).

As you stated the 942 only allows component (or HDMI) for TV1 (and only outputs 480p,720p,1080i) so it is useless to older interlace equipment.