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Good HD camcorder for ~$600

agrider25
07-13-2010, 10:14 PM
I have been looking for some time now and am trying to decide on a good HD camcorder for around 600 bucks.

Really I am just looking for something to use when i go on trips with friends, maybe when skating around. and possibly on some snowboard trips. So i would like the ability to use different lenses and an external flash/mic.

so far the canon vixia HF21 and HF S100 and have caught my eye.

I have also been looking at the HV20,30 and 40.

also the Jvc HM550, GZ-HM400 look interesting.

I was wondering if there is any serious differences in performance between mini dv and flash media.

If anyone could help me out i would appreciate it.

Thanks

Bumzo1
07-14-2010, 01:47 PM
Personally I don't see any differences between DV and Flash but others may tell you differently. Also, anything Canon is going to be good. I have an HF20 and the quality is very good. The HV series cameras are basically the best DV consumer cameras.

oblioman
07-14-2010, 02:03 PM
Also use the HF20,,,,,,can't say enough good things about it. The HF21 would serve you honestly. mshulman has the new 30 series an d also gives it very high regards.

mshulman
07-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Thanks O,

I guess I don't really need to reply now huh? :)

agrider25
07-15-2010, 12:12 AM
Thank you for the responses.

Are any of you familiar with any JVC camcorders?

apparently i cant really go wrong with Canon haha.

I was just wondering how any of these Camcorders stacked up to the JVC GZ HM400.

mshulman
07-15-2010, 03:43 PM
Regarding specs, its very comparable to the Canon's. Only thing that stands out is the ultra high speed recording which at first glance seems pretty cool, but the resolution is quite low when using it.

When I get a chance, I'll post some screen shots from my M30 taken while diving in Key West.

agrider25
07-16-2010, 03:40 AM
Yeah, i just want to make sure i can get the most for my money. I have seen some pretty impressive test videos for both cams. Only reason i bring up the JVC to compare is because they seem quite similar but the JVC is cheaper.

Kent McVety
07-16-2010, 09:19 PM
I recently bought the Canon NV40, and have been very pleased with its performance. It is tape-based which doesn't bother me.

agrider25
07-17-2010, 12:27 PM
I recently bought the Canon NV40, and have been very pleased with its performance. It is tape-based which doesn't bother me.

I have seen some impressive shots with the HV40. Only reason i am not too big on tape based cams is the fact that if it gets bumped around too much and the mechanism fails, or messes the tape up somehow.

mshulman
07-18-2010, 07:51 AM
I have seen some impressive shots with the HV40. Only reason i am not too big on tape based cams is the fact that if it gets bumped around too much and the mechanism fails, or messes the tape up somehow.

There's really no need for tape these days. Hard Drive prices are cheap enough that you can download footage to the computer and back up to another drive or use an online backup provider to protect it.

No money spent on tapes and less mechanics to break.

agrider25
07-18-2010, 11:30 AM
There's really no need for tape these days. Hard Drive prices are cheap enough that you can download footage to the computer and back up to another drive or use an online backup provider to protect it.

No money spent on tapes and less mechanics to break.

Yes, this is why i was quite hesitant to go for a minidv cam.

So im definitely looking for flash media or a hdd based cam. I think i would prefer flash but if there is a better hdd cam for the price i would go for it.

I was also wondering if you might be able to tell me about the M30 mshulman.
What you like, and what you think could be better?

Vincently
07-19-2010, 02:24 AM
I have been looking for some time now and am trying to decide on a good HD camcorder for around 600 bucks.

Really I am just looking for something to use when i go on trips with friends, maybe when skating around. and possibly on some snowboard trips. So i would like the ability to use different lenses and an external flash/mic.

so far the canon vixia HF21 and HF S100 and have caught my eye.

I have also been looking at the HV20,30 and 40.

also the Jvc HM550, GZ-HM400 look interesting.

I was wondering if there is any serious differences in performance between mini dv and flash media.

If anyone could help me out i would appreciate it.

Thanks
Other types you mention above I have no idea, while
so far as I know, canon vixia HF21 has a built-in gyroscope and software to stabilize images. It features a built-in LED light and flash for night-time shooting. And the HDMI port allows people to output to an HDTV in real time.Besides, it is FULL HD 1080p. But mpeg-4 format not licensed for monetary gain, and battery life is not long encough, I think.
Hope the information would do good for you.:)

agrider25
07-19-2010, 10:36 AM
Other types you mention above I have no idea, while
so far as I know, canon vixia HF21 has a built-in gyroscope and software to stabilize images. It features a built-in LED light and flash for night-time shooting. And the HDMI port allows people to output to an HDTV in real time.Besides, it is FULL HD 1080p. But mpeg-4 format not licensed for monetary gain, and battery life is not long encough, I think.
Hope the information would do good for you.:)

yes thank you, i appreciate any help.

Do you have personal experience with this cam?

oblioman
07-19-2010, 11:52 AM
The HF20 and HF21 are basically the same camera. The HF21 has a viewfinder and 64 gig on board memory. The HF20 has no viewfinder and 32 gig on board. Me HF20 is used almost on a daily basis and so far,,,me gives it 10 thumbs up. A viewfinder would be nice, albeit used sparingly. The extra 32 gig of ram would also be nice, but so far, SD cards are cheap enough to float around the camera pack. Either way - the HF20 or 21,,you will have made a fine choice.

agrider25
07-19-2010, 05:27 PM
The HF20 and HF21 are basically the same camera. The HF21 has a viewfinder and 64 gig on board memory. The HF20 has no viewfinder and 32 gig on board. Me HF20 is used almost on a daily basis and so far,,,me gives it 10 thumbs up. A viewfinder would be nice, albeit used sparingly. The extra 32 gig of ram would also be nice, but so far, SD cards are cheap enough to float around the camera pack. Either way - the HF20 or 21,,you will have made a fine choice.

Thank you for that info, now does that mean that the HF200 is also the same just without any on board memory?

So far it looks like i will be deciding between the HF21(20), HG20 or HF S100.

The thought of the JVC is still in my mind as well, simply because it would be cheaper to buy. But if it isnt worth it, then ill forget it haha

Dave TV
07-21-2010, 11:28 PM
The advantage of a flash media camcorder over ones that use DVD/Tape or have built in memory/hard drives is, no moving parts.

No moving parts means, no moving parts noise on the audio.

High Def is cool but sometimes it can actually hurt a film. I was watching National Treasure 2 on Blue-Ray and a Plasma TV and the picture quality was so good you could tell when they were going into the cave to the lost city of gold that the walls of the cave were props, you could tell it was man made to say the least.

I get more excited about affordable 3D camcorders than I do 1080p camcorders. Look in this months issue of Popular Science, they have a Standard Def 3D camcorder selling for under $600 and a 1080p is coming soon.

If I was in the market for a camcorder, 3D would be at the top of my list.

mshulman
07-22-2010, 09:56 PM
Unless you can throw money away, I think it would be a big mistake for anyone to buy a 3D camcorder now.

1) They are going to be way over priced
2) The technology is too new - it will get better and may even change

HD looks great, whether it is 3D or not. I do think there will be a time when it probably makes more sense to get a 3D HD Camcorder to future proof it, but I think we're still a ways off from that day.

2dogs2
08-19-2010, 10:52 AM
[QUOTE= But mpeg-4 format not licensed for monetary gain[/QUOTE]

Just what does this really mean ? Is there some type of watermark built into the video clip, or you cannot burn it to a disk ??


Thanks

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agrider25
09-01-2010, 05:48 PM
Well, I haven't been getting very many responses to certain questions. So far all I know is that I can't go wrong with Canon.

So I'm basically down to my final decision.

What do you guys think about buying Refurbished from Canon?

I could get an HF200 for 400. Leaving plenty left over for Cards.

Also an HG20 for 500.

But I could also get an HF M30 for 500 bucks.

Just trying to think of the best choice between these.

mshulman
09-02-2010, 08:37 AM
Well, I haven't been getting very many responses to certain questions. So far all I know is that I can't go wrong with Canon.

So I'm basically down to my final decision.

What do you guys think about buying Refurbished from Canon?

I could get an HF200 for 400. Leaving plenty left over for Cards.

Also an HG20 for 500.

But I could also get an HF M30 for 500 bucks.

Just trying to think of the best choice between these.

I guess it depends on your use.

I got the M30 due to the relatively inexpensive underwater housing Canon makes for it. And I'd get the M30 over the HG20 - I'm not a fan of the Hard drive camcorders.

The HF200 is worth considering, but I wouldn't get refurbished without getting an extended warranty of some sort.

agrider25
09-02-2010, 03:58 PM
I guess it depends on your use.

I got the M30 due to the relatively inexpensive underwater housing Canon makes for it. And I'd get the M30 over the HG20 - I'm not a fan of the Hard drive camcorders.

The HF200 is worth considering, but I wouldn't get refurbished without getting an extended warranty of some sort.

Yeah, I would be simply using this for when I am skating around with friends, probably snowboarding. (maybe the underwater housing would be good for this?)

Yeah, so I believe I can get both the HF M30 and HF200 for about 500 bucks.

These cams are pretty close feature wise, except the HF200 has no onboard memory.

Correct?

mshulman
09-03-2010, 08:53 AM
Yeah, I would be simply using this for when I am skating around with friends, probably snowboarding. (maybe the underwater housing would be good for this?)

Yeah, so I believe I can get both the HF M30 and HF200 for about 500 bucks.

These cams are pretty close feature wise, except the HF200 has no onboard memory.

Correct?

Feature-wise that's correct. The M30 is a 2010 model though and the HF200 a 2009 model. The M30 has a touch screen interface while the HF200 does not.

Personally all else being equal I'd go with the M30 since its this years model.

And the underwater housing probably would not be good for snowboarding - It would be fairly bulky for that. You should just be able to use the camera as is as long as its not snowing or at least not a heavy wet snow (dry snow wouldn't be an issue likely). I have used my HF10 skiing plenty of times.

agrider25
09-03-2010, 11:29 AM
Feature-wise that's correct. The M30 is a 2010 model though and the HF200 a 2009 model. The M30 has a touch screen interface while the HF200 does not.

Personally all else being equal I'd go with the M30 since its this years model.

And the underwater housing probably would not be good for snowboarding - It would be fairly bulky for that. You should just be able to use the camera as is as long as its not snowing or at least not a heavy wet snow (dry snow wouldn't be an issue likely). I have used my HF10 skiing plenty of times.


Alright, thats what I was thinking.

But alright, I just mentioned that just cause of there maybe being some wet snow or a chance of tripping up. sometimes it happens lol. but alright thanks. I appreciate the help.

camrxsd
09-14-2010, 03:42 AM
Canon VIXIA HF S200 is really a good one to go with.This is the best camcorder I have ever owned. The videos are clean and stunning. It also lets you take pictures and the pictures I've taken with it are much better quality.

bastian74
09-21-2010, 02:33 PM
Personally I don't see any differences between DV and Flash but others may tell you differently. Also, anything Canon is going to be good. I have an HF20 and the quality is very good. The HV series cameras are basically the best DV consumer cameras.

In-camera editing is so easy with flash. Get rid of all the boring crap you don't want, and free up space real time.