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help me decide if I should buy a Turtle Beach headset for my xbox 360.

Halo360Fan
04-24-2010, 12:53 AM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Turtle+Beach+-+EarForce+X11+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360+and+Mac/Windows/9824298.p?id=1218178657626&skuId=9824298

Ok so heres my problem I have a 5.1 surround sound system thats sounds amazing but when I play online my friends say it to loud and they can hear it so I have to turn it way down which makes it really point less so I saw some of these Turtle Beach headsets which may be to answer to my problem.

I just a few questions if anyone can answer them.

Will I get similar or better sound quality than my surround system?

I remeber with my cheap PC headset when I played wow it was hard to hear people with all the sounds going on is the Turtle Beach headset going to make it difficult to hear people?

Is it worth 59.99?

Thanks guys!

WestC07
04-24-2010, 01:15 AM
Best investment I ever made for Xbox gaming. You can adjust the Voice and Game volumes independently so there's no issue with the game volume drowning out other people's voices.

You won't get true 5.1 surround effect with the X11's because they are strictly a stereo headset, but the stereo imaging is great and 9 times out of 10 you'll be able to tell the exact direction someone is coming from.

Had mine for about 6 months now and cannot play without them.

drbrosco
04-24-2010, 05:54 AM
That is wierd you have that problem. I play in my living room wich is only 15x15 & my surround sound rocks when I am playing MW2 with all the loud explosions & nobody ever complains about the sound.
Maybe turn your mic down just a bit, but I really don't understand unless you have a rockin surround sound in a very tiny room.

marcallo
04-24-2010, 06:43 AM
I love mine. I fully endorse this product.

ChaosMan1014
04-24-2010, 07:19 AM
I have the same question for the ps3. It looks like I am limited to either the turtle beachp21 or the Triton ax720. Are there any other good options?

kamspy
04-24-2010, 07:55 AM
Sound quality will be way down. You seem like a guy who appreciated the finer things, so check out these gaming headphones.

http://www.astrogaming.com/products/22/A40-Headsets/

It's really not even close.


EDIT: These work with 360, PS3 and PC.

Mase
04-24-2010, 09:57 AM
Sound quality will be way down. You seem like a guy who appreciated the finer things, so check out these gaming headphones.

http://www.astrogaming.com/products/22/A40-Headsets/

It's really not even close.


EDIT: These work with 360, PS3 and PC.

Dont listen to Kam, while the astros are good you need the mixamp as well and thats an extra $129 and does not make it any better than the X4s (X41s now). I have owned both but decided against the Astros as its wired for one and it wasnt any better than the Turtle Beaches. If it were better I would have stayed with them, the only reason its the official MLG headset is because its wired, wireless would not work for MLG games. Sooo dont let that fool you into spending more money than you need.

I have been using the X4s for well over a year now and they are absolutely fantastic and the quality is superb even being wireless. I remember when I first started using them, people said my voice sounded much more clear than a regular headset. I also noticed it when my friends use theirs.

The X41s also work with the PS3, PC and 360

Halo360Fan
04-24-2010, 12:11 PM
That is wierd you have that problem. I play in my living room wich is only 15x15 & my surround sound rocks when I am playing MW2 with all the loud explosions & nobody ever complains about the sound.
Maybe turn your mic down just a bit, but I really don't understand unless you have a rockin surround sound in a very tiny room.

Yeah my room is pretty small. Its not hooked up n my living room its in my small room. my budget max is 70 max and the x11 is the only thing in my budget so should I go for it?

kamspy
04-24-2010, 12:15 PM
For $70 it's probably the best you're going to do.

marcallo
04-24-2010, 01:23 PM
I agree, don't listen to kam on this one. The turtle beach sound awesome. I only have the x-box ones as I don't use my PS3 for multi-player, but I'm sure both sets are fine. IF you want to go wired, then Kams choice may be better. Personally I'd like to see a blue tooth hybrid set that works with every system.

kamspy
04-24-2010, 09:58 PM
It's not just RF interference that makes wireless headphones less than desirable, it's also the lack of proper amplification. Not only is real estate inside the driver enclosures a concern, but also heat dissipation. People don't want their headphones getting as hot as an AVR.

But, before I heard headphones with a dedicated amp, I thought wireless/junk stuff sounded great too. It's honestly a case of ignorance being bliss.

There's no way you owned a set of Astro's with the mixamp and actually still preferred the sound quality in the TBs Mase. It's just not possible. That's some tier 1 trolling right there.;)

Mase
04-24-2010, 10:49 PM
It's not just RF interference that makes wireless headphones less than desirable, it's also the lack of proper amplification. Not only is real estate inside the driver enclosures a concern, but also heat dissipation. People don't want their headphones getting as hot as an AVR.

But, before I heard headphones with a dedicated amp, I thought wireless/junk stuff sounded great too. It's honestly a case of ignorance being bliss.

There's no way you owned a set of Astro's with the mixamp and actually still preferred the sound quality in the TBs Mase. It's just not possible. That's some tier 1 trolling right there.;)

I am not like you Kam, I dont run around the forum spewing FUD and than turn the other cheek or straight up ignore people when they call you on your bs. You know I was wondering why soo many posters have stopped coming here and than I read your posts and can see why :rolleyes:


The Astros were not $129 better and the wires killed it for me, which is why I chose TBs. I doubt you have owned any of these headsets including the one you are reccomending.

kamspy
04-24-2010, 10:56 PM
I have suffered through hundreds of hours of Gears, Halo and other local 2p games on wireless TB headsets.

I don't own the Astro's and I've only had limited use with them. But I do run a similar amp to my Sennheiers and Grados from my PC.

Listen to some music through the TBs and you'll see what I mean. Most 360 audio is pretty crap to begin with, so it might be skewing your position.

I know you usually prefer quality over convenience, so I'm kinda shocked that your choosing wireless over audio quality in this case.

GenesisGod
04-26-2010, 01:08 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Turtle+Beach+-+EarForce+X11+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360+and+Mac/Windows/9824298.p?id=1218178657626&skuId=9824298

Ok so heres my problem I have a 5.1 surround sound system thats sounds amazing but when I play online my friends say it to loud and they can hear it so I have to turn it way down which makes it really point less so I saw some of these Turtle Beach headsets which may be to answer to my problem.

I just a few questions if anyone can answer them.

Will I get similar or better sound quality than my surround system?

I remeber with my cheap PC headset when I played wow it was hard to hear people with all the sounds going on is the Turtle Beach headset going to make it difficult to hear people?

Is it worth 59.99?

Thanks guys!
If your home theater system receiver has a headphone output, then you can actually connect the X11 to that--and most likely get surround sound such as Dolby Headphone from that. Might want to check because many people I've seen already have surround sound using this method--so all you'd need is a stereo headset such as the X11 to use on your XBOX. (Instead of using the red & white jacks, just leave off the adapter and use the green jack instead).


Sound quality will be way down. You seem like a guy who appreciated the finer things, so check out these gaming headphones.

http://www.astrogaming.com/products/22/A40-Headsets/

It's really not even close.


EDIT: These work with 360, PS3 and PC.
I have to agree wholeheartedly. I own the Astro A40 system and must say that it is a considerable downgrade from a headset like the Turtle Beach X41 which I also own. The A40 headset has a noticeable lack of bass, which makes the audio sound quite a bit uneven. The MUCH better headset to pair with the MixAmp is the Turtle Beach HPX. I was surprised to find out that the HPX can easily outclass entry level audiophile headphones such as the Sennheiser HD555 or Grado SR-1. The Sennheiser HD595 or Audio Technica AD-700 are closer comparisons to the HPX. However, the HPX is the better option for gaming because it has a mic--and only costs $80!

As far as Astro is concerned, the A40 can't touch these headphones. So before you claim the A40 is the best thing since sliced bread, you should have more of a sampling of it and actually compare it to other brands on the market.


It's not just RF interference that makes wireless headphones less than desirable, it's also the lack of proper amplification. Not only is real estate inside the driver enclosures a concern, but also heat dissipation. People don't want their headphones getting as hot as an AVR.

But, before I heard headphones with a dedicated amp, I thought wireless/junk stuff sounded great too. It's honestly a case of ignorance being bliss.

There's no way you owned a set of Astro's with the mixamp and actually still preferred the sound quality in the TBs Mase. It's just not possible. That's some tier 1 trolling right there.;)
There is no RF interference in the X41--and the amplification is definitely more than adequate. I have the volume on my X41 at about 60%--so there's plenty of headroom in it. Also, the ear padding is extremely ventilated too. They don't get hot at all. Have you ever tried an X41, X31, X11, etc?


I have suffered through hundreds of hours of Gears, Halo and other local 2p games on wireless TB headsets.

I don't own the Astro's and I've only had limited use with them. But I do run a similar amp to my Sennheiers and Grados from my PC.

Listen to some music through the TBs and you'll see what I mean. Most 360 audio is pretty crap to begin with, so it might be skewing your position.

I know you usually prefer quality over convenience, so I'm kinda shocked that your choosing wireless over audio quality in this case.
You likely only owned the X3. This is not applicable in a comparison with higher priced setups like Astro's. The correct comparison would be the X41 or HPX with MixAmp. In both cases though, Astro plays second fiddle.

Your audio quality argument makes no sense if you are referring to the X41. It seems you are basing all of your statements on the X3. That also makes no sense because you are likening ALL Turtle Beach products to that.

kamspy
04-26-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm not sure if they are the X41s that I'm familiar with. I'll ask next time I'm over there. But, I did find some customer reviews documenting the same issues I had with the TB headset I've used.

http://www.amazon.com/Force-Digital-Wireless-Surround-Xbox-360/product-reviews/B002KSPKRS/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
^that's a lot of negative reviews all complaining about the same thing, build quality and RF interference.

A couple people pointed me toward the TB support forum, which is mysteriously "down for maintenance".:eek:


I've spent less than 2 hours with the Astro's. I was amazed each time and didn't notice anything wrong with the lower frequencies. In fact my main concern with the sound quality of the TBs (outside of the constant humming RF interference), was the exaggerated bass.

cheapinjustice
04-28-2010, 10:50 AM
! have a set of wired skull candy. They work great but they do drown out the player volume for the head set. So, I only use them when im playing offline. Cant figure out what to do to get the player volume to come through them correctly either. :what:

railven
04-28-2010, 11:02 AM
! have a set of wired skull candy. They work great but they do drown out the player volume for the head set. So, I only use them when im playing offline. Cant figure out what to do to get the player volume to come through them correctly either. :what:

Isn't there an option, or is it default, where you can have only player voices come through the headset and all other sounds through your speakers?

I'm pretty sure there is, I remember on the PS3 my COD4 rounds voices were 100x clearer when I started using a headset, before they'd be drowned out by the gunfire and what not.

cheapinjustice
04-28-2010, 11:18 AM
Isn't there an option, or is it default, where you can have only player voices come through the headset and all other sounds through your speakers?

I'm pretty sure there is, I remember on the PS3 my COD4 rounds voices were 100x clearer when I started using a headset, before they'd be drowned out by the gunfire and what not.

yea there isnt anything, i can change it on my xbox but it doesnt make a difference

it has to ends one for the mic i plug that into my controller and i plug the speaker into the tv

railven
04-28-2010, 11:54 AM
yea there isnt anything, i can change it on my xbox but it doesnt make a difference

it has to ends one for the mic i plug that into my controller and i plug the speaker into the tv

that might be why. You aren't getting audio straight from the headset jack, but your actual speakers/TV

The headset jack has a separate channel for audio, that might be exactly why the voices are drowned out. It thinks you have a standard headset on (thus feeding voice into the headset jack) but since you don't you aren't hearing them clearly.

What I mean is, the controller uses a stereo/multi-8mm jack which funnels Audio-in/Audio-Out (mic/headphones) in one jack. If you aren't using a headset, it doesn't now and tries to feed you the audio-out (headphones) through it. It removes that track from the standard audio, so it doesn't come through your speakers (where your headphone seemed to be connected.)

Halo360Fan
04-29-2010, 09:45 AM
If your home theater system receiver has a headphone output, then you can actually connect the X11 to that--and most likely get surround sound such as Dolby Headphone from that. Might want to check because many people I've seen already have surround sound using this method--so all you'd need is a stereo headset such as the X11 to use on your XBOX. (Instead of using the red & white jacks, just leave off the adapter and use the green jack instead).




My receiver does not have a headphone output. I bought the x11's and I'm really happy with them! I really with my receiver had a headphone output. Is there a converter I could buy? lol

Mase
04-29-2010, 09:53 AM
My receiver does not have a headphone output. I bought the x11's and I'm really happy with them! I really with my receiver had a headphone output. Is there a converter I could buy? lol

DOes your receiver have an analog out at all?

Red/White RCAs

Halo360Fan
04-29-2010, 09:59 AM
DOes your receiver have an analog out at all?

Red/White RCAs

Yes

is there still a way I get get surround sound out of my x11's? lol

Heres the system i got. I got it free with my TV lol

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-video/home-theater/home-theater-systems/HT-Z320T/XAA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=

Mase
04-29-2010, 03:38 PM
Yes

is there still a way I get get surround sound out of my x11's? lol

Heres the system i got. I got it free with my TV lol

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/tv-video/home-theater/home-theater-systems/HT-Z320T/XAA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=

You can use PLII to your head phones and get a surround mix similar to Dolby Headphone. Just use something like this (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218)

The TB forums and other headphones forums all have people running similar setups, so try it out and let us know.

Halo360Fan
05-02-2010, 12:05 AM
You can use PLII to your head phones and get a surround mix similar to Dolby Headphone. Just use something like this (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218)

The TB forums and other headphones forums all have people running similar setups, so try it out and let us know.

I don't understand how would those cables give me surround sound? I have no where to plug those in?

railven
05-02-2010, 09:03 AM
I don't understand how would those cables give me surround sound? I have no where to plug those in?

You basically have to connect your headphones to your receiver's out either through a headphone jack or using composite stereo cables (red/white.)

Pro Logic is a matrix tool that can take a 5.1+ channel track and simulate surround sound over stereo speakers by changing the volume levels (frequencies?) of tracks that would normally be produced by the rear speakers.

For example:
Center == increased volume of Right and Left
Front Right == increased volume of Right
Rear Right == decreased volume of Right
Rear-Center == decreased volume of Right and Left

The volumes will change based on the position of the focal point (the player's avatar in this case) and the direction of the audio (the track in the multi-track audio.)

It works really well with a good set of stereo speakers/headphones.

Halo360Fan
05-02-2010, 06:29 PM
You basically have to connect your headphones to your receiver's out either through a headphone jack or using composite stereo cables (red/white.)

Pro Logic is a matrix tool that can take a 5.1+ channel track and simulate surround sound over stereo speakers by changing the volume levels (frequencies?) of tracks that would normally be produced by the rear speakers.

For example:
Center == increased volume of Right and Left
Front Right == increased volume of Right
Rear Right == decreased volume of Right
Rear-Center == decreased volume of Right and Left

The volumes will change based on the position of the focal point (the player's avatar in this case) and the direction of the audio (the track in the multi-track audio.)

It works really well with a good set of stereo speakers/headphones.

Im still confused how to set this up. Heres an unboxing video that shows everything it comes with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYWX4_zN6w

My receiver has to be connected to my xbox some how in order to get the sound to the head set. My headset came with a red and white rca to connect to the xbox audio adapter
http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/131322-xbox_cable1_350.jpg

So im confused how to hook it up. Could you please tell me how? How would I get sound going to the receiver from my xbox? If that did not make any scene can you tell me how to hook it up? Thanks!

Halo360Fan
05-02-2010, 06:45 PM
Wait would this work as a setup? Ok I plug in a rca cable http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:wT6EFojYlblZSM:http://www.electronicsnmore.com/images/RCA2.gif

into the xbox 360 audio adapter

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:npIXETWtd7jKlM:http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/131322-xbox_cable1_350.jpg

Then plug in the headsets rca inputs into my receiver then connect the other end of the rca cable into the my headsets rca inputs. My headsets rca inputs are double sided like it has this attached to it http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10401&cs_id=1040107&p_id=685&seq=1&format=2.

Look at this video to see what the headsets rca inputs look like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRYWX4_zN6w


would this work to get surround sound out of mu headset?

thanks!

marcallo
05-02-2010, 09:33 PM
If I recall the Turtle Beach is just a pass-through device. In fact, I had to crack my Xbox's original adapter open to make room for both HDMI and the RCA cables. So I have the x-box running into my receiver via HDMI and then the RCA goes to the headsets.

So when I want to use my TB's I just turn off my receivers volume and turn the head sets on. Works great for me. I guess if you used the RCA out from the receiver you could theoretically have ANY sound source going into the headsets. Was something I was going to try and never got around to.

marcallo
05-02-2010, 09:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptCB_3DOz4

Here this will show you how I have HDMI AND RCA at the same time.


Or... more simply

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1326/1473305444_e9a000bf7e_o.gif

Halo360Fan
05-07-2010, 05:58 PM
If I recall the Turtle Beach is just a pass-through device. In fact, I had to crack my Xbox's original adapter open to make room for both HDMI and the RCA cables. So I have the x-box running into my receiver via HDMI and then the RCA goes to the headsets.

So when I want to use my TB's I just turn off my receivers volume and turn the head sets on. Works great for me. I guess if you used the RCA out from the receiver you could theoretically have ANY sound source going into the headsets. Was something I was going to try and never got around to.

that confused me lol i know of that hack but dont need to do it cause i have xbox 360 audio adapter but will the way I posted above work?

Mase
05-07-2010, 10:04 PM
Using the way you posted above or the youtube video will give you stereo only, if you want the PLII for a dolby surround mix you will have to use your receiver. Just use your RCA out (red/white) with the cables you have from the X11, plug them into your receiver and you are all set... Set your receiver manually if it does not auto set to PLII and you will get a simulated 5.1 SS track through your stereo headset.

Halo360Fan
05-08-2010, 12:56 AM
Using the way you posted above or the youtube video will give you stereo only, if you want the PLII for a dolby surround mix you will have to use your receiver. Just use your RCA out (red/white) with the cables you have from the X11, plug them into your receiver and you are all set... Set your receiver manually if it does not auto set to PLII and you will get a simulated 5.1 SS track through your stereo headset.

Ok but my 360 has to be connected to the receiver in some way I just cant plug in my headsets rca cables to my receiver cause ive tried and i get no sound. My xbox 360 is connected by hdmi if that matters?

Mase
05-08-2010, 08:33 AM
Ok but my 360 has to be connected to the receiver in some way I just cant plug in my headsets rca cables to my receiver cause ive tried and i get no sound. My xbox 360 is connected by hdmi if that matters?

As long as your receiver can receive sound via HDMI you are fine, if not than use that dongle and connect a pair of RCAs from the dongle connected to the 360 to your receiver and than use the X11 RCAs from the audio out.