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Samsung PN42C450 or Panasonic S2??

elantra2007
04-05-2010, 05:33 PM
Hi,

Please offer your advice please!.
I have narrowed my choice down between these 2 42" plasmas.

Which one is the better tv overall?

Blue_Red
04-05-2010, 05:40 PM
I love the Panasonic but there is a black level issue right now.
I don't have a problem and hopefully it will stay that way.
Keep in mind Panasonic is the only set to display all 1080p of moving resolution.

elantra2007
04-05-2010, 05:46 PM
Black level issue with the new S2 series?
What exactly is the issue?

Blue_Red
04-05-2010, 06:42 PM
Panny is caiming is not an issue.... the 2009 line was planned that way.
They are claiming that the 2010 models will lighten the same way but in more segments rather than all at once.

I think they are full of it... because I just updated the panny black issue thread

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/108273-panasonic-cops-rising-black-levels-its-plasma-hdtvs-but-questions-still-remain-10.html

and there are people with 2000 hours that still have the same black level as when they bought the set.

I hope my TV is one of them, because the PQ is un freakin real!
Be careful with Panasonic, it may be a gamble.

elantra2007
04-05-2010, 07:06 PM
Thank you...
Well, I guess I will check the Panasonic off my list, and look at the
new Samsungs and LG 42" plasmas.
Its not worth the gamble.

susanl
04-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Panasonic S2 is a good choice, i love this brand

SantaPimp27
04-05-2010, 10:16 PM
Even with the rising blacks, the blacks will still be darker than the Samsung and LG lol

I have a 2009 plasma and a 2008 plasma and neither have had the black level issues.

Loves2Watch
04-06-2010, 05:30 AM
Even with the rising blacks, the blacks will still be darker than the Samsung and LG lol

I have a 2009 plasma and a 2008 plasma and neither have had the black level issues.

I agree on all counts and none of my Panasonic plasma TV's have any black level issues. It was a limited number of sets that displayed that anomaly.

TMCabe08
04-07-2010, 11:35 AM
FWIW,

I was debating between the Samsung PN42C450 @ $550 vs. the Panasonic TC-P42S2 @ $800.

I wanted the S2, my wife wanted the $550 price tag.

We got the Samsung, and I DO NOT regret it for a moment. The display is wonderful. I am certain the S2 is better, but honestly, I don't have any complaints with my C450.
5.5 days down, I've logged almost 60 hrs. I just can't stop watching!
Its a little dim considering I have the contrast and brightness below 50%, but its only an issue when ALL the lights are on. At night, in a near pitch-black room, the set looks AMAZING.
I just can't imagine what will happen in a week or 2 when I go get a Blu-ray calibration disc...

Loves2Watch
04-07-2010, 12:19 PM
FWIW,

I was debating between the Samsung PN42C450 @ $550 vs. the Panasonic TC-P42S2 @ $800.

I wanted the S2, my wife wanted the $550 price tag.

We got the Samsung, and I DO NOT regret it for a moment. The display is wonderful. I am certain the S2 is better, but honestly, I don't have any complaints with my C450.
5.5 days down, I've logged almost 60 hrs. I just can't stop watching!
Its a little dim considering I have the contrast and brightness below 50%, but its only an issue when ALL the lights are on. At night, in a near pitch-black room, the set looks AMAZING.
I just can't imagine what will happen in a week or 2 when I go get a Blu-ray calibration disc...

Congrats! :yippee: We all hope that it performs to your expectations and lasts a very long time...

dsskid
04-07-2010, 12:38 PM
I agree on all counts and none of my Panasonic plasma TV's have any black level issues. It was a limited number of sets that displayed that anomaly.

Why do you deliberately mislead?

These are the FACTS


Panasonic has ADMITTED IT IS BY DESIGN that they all will rise
Famed Calibrater, D-Nice's Panasonic contacts indicate they all will rise
User data collected corroborates the idea that they all will rise.
CNet performed long-term tests and every set they tested rose in line with what others stated.


It is NOT an anomaly, and is NOT limited to a number of displays. It will happen to ALL of them.

WhatHappend
04-07-2010, 01:22 PM
Even with the rising blacks, the blacks will still be darker than the Samsung and LG lol

I have a 2009 plasma and a 2008 plasma and neither have had the black level issues.

Not TRUE...

Read Cnet's update and you will see that all tested 2009 Panasonic Plasmas are on target to hit 0.023ftl and the Samsung is .018ftl.

Everyone that ragged on Samsung Plasma black level vs Panasonic should see this as significant.

Why post lies?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20001640-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave

Loves2Watch
04-07-2010, 01:29 PM
Why do you deliberately mislead?

These are the FACTS


Panasonic has ADMITTED IT IS BY DESIGN that they all will rise
Famed Calibrater, D-Nice's Panasonic contacts indicate they all will rise
User data collected corroborates the idea that they all will rise.
CNet performed long-term tests and every set they tested rose in line with what others stated.


It is NOT an anomaly, and is NOT limited to a number of displays. It will happen to ALL of them.

My 2009 model is still at .010 after 3000 hours of use, explain that...

dsskid
04-07-2010, 02:01 PM
My 2009 model is still at .010 after 3000 hours of use, explain that...

Yours must be defective. Lucky you.

elantra2007
04-07-2010, 02:05 PM
So if it happens to "ALL OF THEM", than please explain why Loves2Watch's
2009 Panasonic plasma has 3000 hours with no black level issues??

dsskid
04-07-2010, 02:12 PM
So if it happens to "ALL OF THEM", than please explain why Loves2Watch's
2009 Panasonic plasma has 3000 hours with no black level issues??

I really don't know how to be clearer on this. Panasonic stated that they were designed to rise. If his display is not performing as designed, then it is defective. Period.

WhatHappend
04-07-2010, 02:12 PM
My 2009 model is still at .010 after 3000 hours of use, explain that...

Assuming it was measured with a meter that is accurate at low light levels, measured in a mode other than Vivid (mode engages infinite black feature that gives false readings), and you are talking about your TH-85PF12U (85" monster display wow!!!).

The larger displays >= 58" start out at lower MIL levels like 0.006 ftl and it is speculated they have the updated voltage rise curve that the 2010 sets will use.

Your displays target MIL might be 0.006ftl X 3 = 0.018 ftl

So your set has risen 66.67% so far (.006 to .010).

When you hit 6000 hours, report back.

Loves2Watch
04-07-2010, 02:15 PM
Assuming it was measured with a meter that is accurate at low light levels, measured in a mode other than Vivid (mode engages infinite black feature that gives false readings), and you are talking about your TH-85PF12U (85" monster display wow!!!).

The larger displays >= 58" start out at lower MIL levels like 0.006 ftl and it is speculated they have the updated voltage rise curve that the 2010 sets will use.

Your displays target MIL might be 0.006ftl X 3 = 0.018 ftl

So your set has risen 66.67% so far (.006 to .010).

When you hit 6000 hours, report back.

Wrong... .010 at beginning (day one) .010 2 days ago. No rise. And yes it is a monster display.

Accurate professional equipment used, not in vivid mode (why would you begin to think a professional would even do that).

Please give me and other long time professionals a little more credit than that.

WhatHappend
04-07-2010, 02:18 PM
Wrong... .010 at beginning (day one) .010 2 days ago. No rise.

What meter was used? That is not a good MIL for a 2009 Panasonic Plasma out of the Box.

I have never seen one reported that high out of the box and looks like the measurement device is suspect.

dsskid
04-07-2010, 02:19 PM
Is it a pro model(
? Perhaps they're designed differently.

dsskid
04-07-2010, 02:20 PM
Is it a pro model
? Perhaps they're designed differently.

Wolfgangsooner
04-07-2010, 04:43 PM
I am considering a 58V10. I would also like an explanation to why L2W's 2009 panny is not showing the rise. Very contradicting to what other professionals and panasonic have stated. Is it true that the 58" and up models do not suffer the rise as dramatically as the smaller sizes?

kamspy
04-07-2010, 05:45 PM
Just now learning about this. Crazy. Came so close to pulling the trigger on one. Even had one ordered and scheduled for delivery and decided against it at the very last minute before the truck left.

Hopefully the 3D TVs will drive down the prices of good LED backlit LCD. I've seen a few and they look pretty good in the Magnolia displays. I know that's barely worth a grain of salt, but it wowed me.

WhatHappend
04-07-2010, 06:07 PM
I am considering a 58V10. I would also like an explanation to why L2W's 2009 panny is not showing the rise. Very contradicting to what other professionals and panasonic have stated. Is it true that the 58" and up models do not suffer the rise as dramatically as the smaller sizes?


L2W Panny is a $30,000 MSRP display. Don't assume that it will function like a <$4000 consumer display.

PFC5
04-11-2010, 03:08 AM
Assuming it was measured with a meter that is accurate at low light levels, measured in a mode other than Vivid (mode engages infinite black feature that gives false readings), and you are talking about your TH-85PF12U (85" monster display wow!!!).

The larger displays >= 58" start out at lower MIL levels like 0.006 ftl and it is speculated they have the updated voltage rise curve that the 2010 sets will use.

Your displays target MIL might be 0.006ftl X 3 = 0.018 ftl

So your set has risen 66.67% so far (.006 to .010).

When you hit 6000 hours, report back.

But LED displays turn OFF the back light when they get a 0 IRE signal as well so you have to throw those reading out as false also.