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Help me out guys, please.

bigmatt7487
03-30-2010, 09:03 PM
OK, while waiting to sell my current TV (read: mistake) I figure I might as well try to figure out what piece of technology is next.

I can't stand motion blur/image smearing and see it on basically every LCD. I also hate the idea of IR, and knowing my kids, a plasma will be destroyed. I'll try it, I suppose, but the idea of image retention in such "advanced" technology really irks me.

Here we go...

1. How far away will you be from the display when watching it? Let's call it 9-11

2. What TV will it be replacing? 52" Toshiba Regza 52xv645u

3. What will you be watching on it? 1/4 Sports 1/4 TV/Movies 1/2 Gaming

4. Will a computer be connected to use the display as a monitor? If so, what percent of the time? Never

5. Will you be getting a Blu-ray player to watch movies and will you be getting any HD service from cable/sat, or will you just be watching SD programming, and an upscaling SD DVD player? BluRay is PS3. Watching both HD and SD from Comcast Motorola HD DVR box

6. Are you looking for the best in class display, the best bargain display, or best bang for the buck in the middle display? Don't really care so long as its better than the Regza

7. What is the room lighting situation? Basement with windows. Outside ambient lighting isn't terrible. Fluorescent tube lights otherwise.

8. What is your budget range? Absolute max of 1500 and that is pushing it

9. Will people be watching at multiple viewing angles or just usually one person sitting directly in the center? Viewing angles are an issue 10% of the time

10. When will most viewing be done on the display (i.e. Daytime or after sunset)? Basically all day long between me and my kids.

Sorry guys, I hate to do this but I need some help, again.

Thanks

Loves2Watch
03-30-2010, 11:51 PM
I would recommend a 58" to 65" Panasonic plasma.

PFC5
03-31-2010, 12:33 PM
I think you can get the Panasonic P58S2 for around $1500.00 on sale. Because of your sensitivity to motion blur I would look at the P54G20 or G25 or consider the P58S2.

For IR you simply need to make sure you have the picture settings low enough to avoid that. SO just make sure it is set up properly and avoid games that never remove the HUD even between matches. Also set up the PS3 & HDTV to auto shutoff after 2 hours or 3 in case someone forgets and leaves it on a static screen. Also training the kids some is important with ANY expensive devices.

Hope this helps!

bigmatt7487
03-31-2010, 03:01 PM
I think you can get the Panasonic P58S2 for around $1500.00 on sale. Because of your sensitivity to motion blur I would look at the P54G20 or G25 or consider the P58S2.

For IR you simply need to make sure you have the picture settings low enough to avoid that. SO just make sure it is set up properly and avoid games that never remove the HUD even between matches. Also set up the PS3 & HDTV to auto shutoff after 2 hours or 3 in case someone forgets and leaves it on a static screen. Also training the kids some is important with ANY expensive devices.

Hope this helps!

Aside from 4 inches, what is the difference between the P54G20/G25 and the 58S2?

Also, what about the rising black level issue and the tendency, so I hear, for them to be more prone to IR, and subsequently, Burn In?

bigmatt7487
04-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Aside from 4 inches, what is the difference between the P54G20/G25 and the 58S2?

Also, what about the rising black level issue and the tendency, so I hear, for them to be more prone to IR, and subsequently, Burn In?

And what about the blinking light of death that seems pretty frequent?

oblioman
04-01-2010, 07:18 PM
And what about the blinking light of death that seems pretty frequent?

That be kind of like saying Toyota has 2% of cars that speed up uncontrollably. Do you have data on other display's and what % fail?

PFC5
04-02-2010, 12:21 AM
And what about the blinking light of death that seems pretty frequent?

This can happen with any display and NO display mfg is immune to having some bad units come off the assembly line. That holds true for pretty much all products. Panasonic has been rated the most reliable display brand for a few years now but no brand has zero issues.

bigmatt7487
04-06-2010, 12:03 PM
I think you can get the Panasonic P58S2 for around $1500.00 on sale. Because of your sensitivity to motion blur I would look at the P54G20 or G25 or consider the P58S2.

For IR you simply need to make sure you have the picture settings low enough to avoid that. SO just make sure it is set up properly and avoid games that never remove the HUD even between matches. Also set up the PS3 & HDTV to auto shutoff after 2 hours or 3 in case someone forgets and leaves it on a static screen. Also training the kids some is important with ANY expensive devices.

Hope this helps!

Does the G series handle motion better than the S series? I mean, aside from THX mode, what are the differences?

Is the G series worth that much more money?

SantaPimp27
04-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Does the G series handle motion better than the S series? I mean, aside from THX mode, what are the differences?

Is the G series worth that much more money?

Motion handling will be the same on both the G and S series. Supposedly the 2010 V series has a new feature to eliminate phosphor/pixel lag? (something ive never experienced).. You shouldnt notice any motion issues on a plasma.

The G series has a little better anti-glare coating and THX mode. Probably a couple more features but nothing too major. If you have the money i would go with the G. If not, the S is a great display

bhebe55
04-06-2010, 03:48 PM
I don't think a 58"s2 dosent exist. The biggest s2 is a 54". They make the s1 in a 58" though but there going for about 1800 which is outside his budget.

PFC5
04-06-2010, 04:08 PM
The P58S1 was a 2009 model and they ARE planning on releasing a 2010 model P58S2 I think in June 2010.

bigmatt7487
04-06-2010, 06:57 PM
Motion handling will be the same on both the G and S series. Supposedly the 2010 V series has a new feature to eliminate phosphor/pixel lag? (something ive never experienced).. You shouldnt notice any motion issues on a plasma.

The G series has a little better anti-glare coating and THX mode. Probably a couple more features but nothing too major. If you have the money i would go with the G. If not, the S is a great display

I have read on another forum that in depth analysis of the S1/S2 models side by side showed that the S2 was brighter, but the color processing was not nearly as good. Many claim that the S2 is a step back from the S1, black level issues aside. Any truth here?

That said, I haven't been able to find a price on the P54G20. Does anybody know what these are going for?

I know I am a pain in the ass, but I really do appreciate all the help.

PFC5
04-07-2010, 06:48 PM
The 50" model is now on sale now at $200.00 off at $1300.00 in this Best Buy link:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+/+50%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9788953.p?id=1218175321979&skuId=9788953&st=P54G20&cp=1&lp=1

The 54" is on sale at Sears for $100.00 off at $1900.00 here:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775560000P?vName=Computers%20&%20Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat%20Panel&psid=PRICEGRABBER01&sid=IDx20070921x00003h

The price difference is too great IMO right now for that extra 4", but that is partly because the 54" came out later than the 50" AFAIK, so I would wait for better sale prices on the 54" if I were you.

Oh, and you are not a "PITA". That is what this site is here for. ;)

bigmatt7487
04-07-2010, 07:29 PM
The 50" model is now on sale now at $200.00 off at $1300.00 in this Best Buy link:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+/+50%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9788953.p?id=1218175321979&skuId=9788953&st=P54G20&cp=1&lp=1

The 54" is on sale at Sears for $100.00 off at $1900.00 here:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775560000P?vName=Computers%20&%20Electronics&cName=Televisions&sName=Flat%20Panel&psid=PRICEGRABBER01&sid=IDx20070921x00003h

The price difference is too great IMO right now for that extra 4", but that is partly because the 54" came out later than the 50" AFAIK, so I would wait for better sale prices on the 54" if I were you.

Oh, and you are not a "PITA". That is what this site is here for. ;)

Thank you, PFC5, you didn't have to do that.

With those prices I guess I will be waiting quite a while for a new TV. We tried to use the Toshiba again. We recalibrated it with the DVE disk, tried using all the image enhancements, tried it without the image enhancements. Tried it with 120hz on, 120hz off. It's back in the box.

And the more I read about the black level issue the more frustrated I get. I was really hoping that a Panasonic Plasma would be the answer, but it looks like I will have to wait another year.

Oh well, we still have our CRTs. The kids aren't happy, and to be honest neither am I, but I don't think I can justify spending money I don't have on a TV with picture quality issues.

PFC5
04-11-2010, 03:15 AM
Thank you, PFC5, you didn't have to do that.

With those prices I guess I will be waiting quite a while for a new TV. We tried to use the Toshiba again. We recalibrated it with the DVE disk, tried using all the image enhancements, tried it without the image enhancements. Tried it with 120hz on, 120hz off. It's back in the box.

And the more I read about the black level issue the more frustrated I get. I was really hoping that a Panasonic Plasma would be the answer, but it looks like I will have to wait another year.

Oh well, we still have our CRTs. The kids aren't happy, and to be honest neither am I, but I don't think I can justify spending money I don't have on a TV with picture quality issues.

Glad to help!

Remember that the rising black levels will just raise them to be about the same as what the the other plasma mfg are when new. But then you still get the historically better reliability and better customer service with Panasonic.

If you watch movies in the dark or dim room lighting I think you would refer a plasma for the consistent blacks that you cannot get with LCDs without paying much more for a LED backlit model with local dimming that hurts shadow detail and causes other artifacts. The edgelit LED models have many of the same issues as the local dimming backlit models but have much poorer blacks and uniformity issues where the light levels vary across the screen.

Bottom line is there is NO perfect display out there at ANY price. They get better usually each year, and Panasonic is said to be making a bigger PQ jump on the 2011 models, but if you don't have an acceptable HDTV to wait for 2011, then you need to just look at the lessor of evils and jump back in now. :hithere: