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Roethlisberger sexual assualt?

hatt
03-05-2010, 04:17 PM
The woman accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault told police the whole thing went down inside the women's restroom of a Georgia nightclub.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-bathroom-sexual-assault-pittsburgh-steelers-georgia/#ixzz0hLKiWEui

Chris Gerhard
03-05-2010, 07:11 PM
I don't know what to think. It is an accusation, a serious one to be sure but not all sexual assault accusations are true. If this one is true, big Ben is in big trouble. Has Ben made a public statement?

Chris

hatt
03-06-2010, 12:32 AM
Ben needs to get a girlfriend/bunch of strippers and stay at the mansion and stop going to the clubs.

kamspy
03-06-2010, 12:57 AM
Ever since he won the first SB he's been a beer swilling deviant. He's morphing into a Will Ferrel parody.

raiderfan
03-06-2010, 06:25 AM
you know, i saw this thread at like 4:30am this morning, and was thinking, why the hell would somebody just post now, what happened a year ago???? I shut down the cpu, turn on the tv, and notice on ESPN's bottom line, that it was a new accusation. WTF!!! Even if its not true, and even if the other accusation was indeed not true, Big Ben has to be smart enough not to put himself in any kind of position to be accused of this kind of shit!!!! Like someone said, stay at home in your damn mansion with strippers, or some shit...:cool:

zxbeer
03-08-2010, 01:32 PM
I bet the woman from Vagas is saying "I told you so" I this they should have investagated the first case more.

oblioman
03-08-2010, 01:37 PM
Ever since he won the first SB he's been a beer swilling deviant. He's morphing into a Will Ferrel parody.

uh oh,,,gonna give us beer swilling deviants a complex. :hithere:

Rick-F
03-08-2010, 01:48 PM
The woman . . . told police the whole thing went down inside the women's restroom of a Georgia nightclub.

Well, that is not exactly the "WHOLE THING" . . .

QUTOE:
Ben Roethlisberger and the woman accusing him of sexual assault visited "multiple establishments" together before the alleged incident, this according to the Milledgeville Police Department.

Milledgeville Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone just concluded a news conference, confirming Roethlisberger is at the center of a sexual assault investigation that allegedly took place at the Capital City nightclub.

According to police, the alleged victim is a 20-year-old female student from Georgia College & State University.

Police say the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback was interviewed and released and thus far has not been charged with a crime.

Ben's agent claims Roethlisberger did nothing wrong.

UNQUOTE

kamspy
03-08-2010, 02:23 PM
You can only live in Pittsburgh for so long before you start acting like a local. Guess it's a matter of time for all Steelers.

DoctorCAD
03-08-2010, 02:26 PM
You can only live in Pittsburgh for so long before you start acting like a local. Guess it's a matter of time for all Steelers.

Coming from the home of the Felons Football team, you don't have much to say about this.

Need a felon QB to go with your felon team? We might have one for you.

kamspy
03-08-2010, 02:28 PM
Coming from the home of the Felons Football team, you don't have much to say about this.

Need a felon QB to go with your felon team? We might have one for you.

If his beer gut wasn't bigger than his throwing arm I'd take you up on that offer. Palmer is soft. We could use someone who's done some pen time at QB.

Chris Gerhard
03-08-2010, 04:04 PM
I bet the woman from Vagas is saying "I told you so" I this they should have investagated the first case more.

Or this woman heard of the previous allegation and decided to make one up herself. We don't know much yet, hopefully an investigation will determine what actually happened. It is awfully hard to sexually assault someone in a business restroom without some evidence of the crime, witnesses, screaming, physical evidence on the woman, etc. I don't know what happened but not all sexual abuse allegations are the truth, not even close.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
03-11-2010, 11:10 AM
Ben has made a statement but the details of what actually happened are not clear yet. He will provide a DNA sample before the investigation is complete.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4984207

Whatever Ben did or did not do, he is really not particularly bright if he was in the restroom with the young lady. Security cameras are used in the bar so there is a good chance he was taped entering the restroom if in fact he did or taped outside of the restroom the entire time she was in there, but beyond that of course no video evidence of what actually happened will be available.

Chris

kamspy
03-11-2010, 10:22 PM
Aren't boy and girls supposed to use different bathrooms?:p

Well, unless you're doing coke or committing sexual assault. :lol:

Naples
03-24-2010, 03:57 AM
Since he's so much recognizeable it wasn't the smartest thing to break the law in public. What was he thinking anyways? :)

raiderfan
03-30-2010, 11:01 AM
saw today that the Steelers organization asked Big Ben not to stay away from the team's offseason training program at their team facility.

Is that because they are pissed at him or are their some political reasons that I'm not thinking of, as to why?

Chris Gerhard
03-30-2010, 11:18 AM
saw today that the Steelers organization asked Big Ben not to stay away from the team's offseason training program at their team facility.

Is that because they are pissed at him or are their some political reasons that I'm not thinking of, as to why?

Asked him not to stay away from the team facility?

Chris

jkkyler
03-30-2010, 11:28 AM
Asked him not to stay away from the team facility?

Chris

Actually they asked him to stay away and not participate - reason given Team Distraction with all the media coverage

Chris Gerhard
03-30-2010, 11:57 AM
Actually they asked him to stay away and not participate - reason given Team Distraction with all the media coverage

That was good decision. I am not sure whether or not Ben has committed a crime but I am sure he is an idiot, there is no circumstance that makes what he did less than stupid. The investigation is taking some time but ultimately all that will matter is whether or not sufficient evidence he has committed a crime exists. If he did commit felony sexual assault, he is likely done in the NFL.

Chris

raiderfan
03-31-2010, 05:06 AM
Asked him not to stay away from the team facility?

Chris

eh... asked him to stay away -- that's what I meant to type! I fucked that up! :o

DoctorCAD
03-31-2010, 06:26 AM
eh... asked him to stay away -- that's what I meant to type! I fucked that up! :o

You are a Raider fan, you're excused.:lol:

By the way, if I couldn't be a Steeler fan, I'd be a Raider fan because of their loyalty and devotion to their team. Gotta love that.

kamspy
04-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Case is going to the DA, Ben refused to cooperate with a follow up interview.

Ready for the Charlie Batch era Steeler Nation?:D

hatt
04-08-2010, 03:13 PM
Case is going to the DA, Ben refused to cooperate with a follow up interview.

Ready for the Charlie Batch era Steeler Nation?:D
Nope, the accuser refused to be interviewed again. Case is heading down faster than the Titanic.

Chris Gerhard
04-10-2010, 01:43 AM
Nope, the accuser refused to be interviewed again. Case is heading down faster than the Titanic.

ESPN reported no charges will be filed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5071769

Chris

emanueljohnson
04-12-2010, 06:18 AM
I sense a pattern here.....Guilty or innocent, obviously Ben hasn't learned his lesson. Until athletes realize they are targets, and start being more careful who they surround themselves with, this will continue to happen.

jkkyler
04-12-2010, 07:01 AM
I sense a pattern here.....Guilty or innocent, obviously Ben hasn't learned his lesson. Until athletes realize they are targets, and start being more careful who they surround themselves with, this will continue to happen.

Guilty or not, the more I talk with folks in Pittsburgh, the more Ben seems to be a predator not a target.
BTW- Traded Santonio Holmes today for a 5th round pick - his act was wearing thin also. Steelers did not want to make a mistake and extend the contract of another guy who has had a host of problems , legal and otherwise.

Cygnus
04-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Lets see if dictator giddell take some action against big ben. This episode has to be an embarrassment to steelers and NFL.

jkkyler
04-12-2010, 12:46 PM
I doubt he will - no charges= no grounds for discipline. Without a league rules violation all you have are accusations which can be levied by anyone. It is all part of due process. Nothing was done with the first case and it has a civil suit. Ben maintains his innocence and the NFLPA will go crazy and poss to court if goodell tries to impose an unofficial standard violation. The Rooney Family on the other hand is a whole nother story.

Chris Gerhard
04-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Guilty or not, the more I talk with folks in Pittsburgh, the more Ben seems to be a predator not a target.
BTW- Traded Santonio Holmes today for a 5th round pick - his act was wearing thin also. Steelers did not want to make a mistake and extend the contract of another guy who has had a host of problems , legal and otherwise.

I wasn't aware Holmes had off the field problems also but the Steelers will never be able to find a player that good in the 5th round.

Chris

jkkyler
04-12-2010, 01:23 PM
Chris - he has charges pending (which look like they will be dropped or dismissed) for a 3rd time involving violence towards a woman. Also has a marijuana arrest and is facing poss 4 game suspension by commish. In the last year of his deal and the steelers weren't going to re-ink him. Although not the best Steelers have gathered Arnaz Battle + Antawn Randle-Eel in off season.

kamspy
04-12-2010, 03:09 PM
It's a good thing Big Ben is a white boy. If not he might find himself on the Jet's roster today!:eek:

DoctorCAD
04-12-2010, 08:45 PM
How many of you are going to apologize now that the charges are dropped?

kamspy
04-15-2010, 03:37 PM
How many of you are going to apologize now that the charges are dropped?

:lol:

No one. The DA said they didn't have the resources to fight his law squad in court. He made it very clear that they felt the evidence showed his guilt and in no way expressed they felt he was innocent of the crime.

Read before posting stuff Doc. Failing to do so just makes you come off uneducated.

DoctorCAD
04-15-2010, 08:01 PM
:lol:

No one. The DA said they didn't have the resources to fight his law squad in court. He made it very clear that they felt the evidence showed his guilt and in no way expressed they felt he was innocent of the crime.

Read before posting stuff Doc. Failing to do so just makes you come off uneducated.


Uneducated? No charges were filed due to lack of evidence, thats the only reason. You can "conjecture" all you want about what actually happened, but only 2 people actually do know...and one was so drunk that she can't remember it. Oh, and she was under age. Why wasn't the bar indicted?

No charges, why no apologies?

jkkyler
04-16-2010, 09:34 AM
The standard/burden of proof in the Georgia court system is a very high one (greater than in most states) which makes cases tough to prosecute. At the end of the day (and I have reviewed all facts made public and a few that haven't) it is a 'he said she said' and nobody but those two will ever know for sure and as the DA said, "We prosecure crimes not morals". Do I think he did it, hell yeah and it pisses me off but what pisses me off even more are the inferences that this is a race thing as if Ben were black that he would have been charged or otherwise treated different. His wealth made it much more difficult than his skin color.

gwhoughton
04-17-2010, 07:47 AM
Uneducated? No charges were filed due to lack of evidence, thats the only reason. You can "conjecture" all you want about what actually happened, but only 2 people actually do know...and one was so drunk that she can't remember it. Oh, and she was under age. Why wasn't the bar indicted?

No charges, why no apologies?

Cuz he's a putz. Pure & simple.

Just because they can't prosecute him, are you saying that you are proud of the way this "professional" athelete is continually hanging out @ bars and putting himself in a position to be accused of rape?!? :eek:

Oh, and you think that the bar should have been indicted because the girl was underage, but it's no problem that ol Ben was busy getting into her pants??? :rolleyes:

Seriously, how many people are in a position to lead a professional sports team, for millions of dollars? If you are lucky enough to find yourself in that position, I would think that you could at least conduct yourself in a manner that will not bring ridicule on your team!! Has it happened to others? YES!! Has it happened to others time after time? Not nearly as often, and when it does, how many people are on that athelete's side??

He had better clean up his act, or he will be out of there. :2cents

DoctorCAD
04-17-2010, 03:23 PM
Cuz he's a putz. Pure & simple.

Just because they can't prosecute him, are you saying that you are proud of the way this "professional" athelete is continually hanging out @ bars and putting himself in a position to be accused of rape?!? :eek:

Oh, and you think that the bar should have been indicted because the girl was underage, but it's no problem that ol Ben was busy getting into her pants??? :rolleyes:

Seriously, how many people are in a position to lead a professional sports team, for millions of dollars? If you are lucky enough to find yourself in that position, I would think that you could at least conduct yourself in a manner that will not bring ridicule on your team!! Has it happened to others? YES!! Has it happened to others time after time? Not nearly as often, and when it does, how many people are on that athelete's side??

He had better clean up his act, or he will be out of there. :2cents


Its NOT illegal to try to get into 20 year old pants, hell I try all the time.

I agree, it IS a stain on the NFL and the Steeler Nation. Thats the only issue.


But Ben's actions WERE NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, hers were.

jkkyler
04-19-2010, 02:36 PM
Its NOT illegal to try to get into 20 year old pants, hell I try all the time.

I agree, it IS a stain on the NFL and the Steeler Nation. Thats the only issue.


But Ben's actions WERE NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, hers were.

If Ben was buying her the beer (as reported) then his actions were certainly criminal - contributing to the delinquency of a minor for starts. Also just because it can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean his actions weren't criminal - only that it could not be proven to a legal standard

oblioman
04-19-2010, 05:17 PM
what the hell is a roethlisberger,,,,and how many games did he win last year? :D


Fame be fleeting.:hithere:

hatt
04-20-2010, 08:33 AM
If Ben was buying her the beer (as reported) then his actions were certainly criminal - contributing to the delinquency of a minor for starts. Also just because it can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean his actions weren't criminal - only that it could not be proven to a legal standard
Did she tell him how old she was? Was the club 21+? Was she already drinking? Evidently the police didn't think he was acting criminally in the buying of beer, if beer was even bought. I don't believe anything this idiot girl says. It reminds me a whole lot of the Duke case a few years ago.

Chris Gerhard
04-20-2010, 09:03 AM
If Ben was buying her the beer (as reported) then his actions were certainly criminal - contributing to the delinquency of a minor for starts. Also just because it can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean his actions weren't criminal - only that it could not be proven to a legal standard

The only conclusion I can come to is that Ben didn't commit a crime or he would have been charged. A thorough investigation was conducted and insufficient evidence to bring the case to court was found. I don't know what happened but I haven't read anything that makes me believe he committed a crime. It may not be possible to prove he didn't commit a crime, that is often very difficult but fortunately that is never a requirement. He has apparently gotten this behind him and I guess we will see if he stays out of bars trying to pick up women now, that isn't behavior that makes sense for him given his circumstances.

Chris

jkkyler
04-20-2010, 09:56 AM
Did she tell him how old she was? Was the club 21+? Was she already drinking? Evidently the police didn't think he was acting criminally in the buying of beer, if beer was even bought. I don't believe anything this idiot girl says. It reminds me a whole lot of the Duke case a few years ago.


The only conclusion I can come to is that Ben didn't commit a crime or he would have been charged. - Just because a crime was committed doesn't mean that the DA feels it is advantageous to bring charges.


First and foremost I am a die hard steelers fan and it hurts to see stuff like this. After all of the hullabaloo they really weren't about to charge him with buying her beer underage (but that doesn't make it a crime none the less - prosecutors decide which charges to bring based on a number of factors). Whether or not she was drinking or told him how old she was ignorance of the law is no defense.
I will re-iterate I don't know if a crime was commited or not - many seem to think that one was but committing an act and being proven guilty are two entirely different things. I know of many crimes that have been comitted (ie pot smoking at a local venue happens all the time) but proving is a whole 'nother matter. Our legal system errs on the side of caution to avoid punishing the innocent when possible.

PS - Look at how many people are convicted and then later found out, usually through DNA that they are innocent. Legal standards and actual events are often not the same.

hatt
04-21-2010, 07:45 AM
Whether or not she was drinking or told him how old she was ignorance of the law is no defense.
I don't have the case law but I suspect someone in a 21 and up club would have a reasonable expectation that every one else was 21 and up and that they didn't need to perform background investigations any time they bought someone a drink. You can find a case where someone was convicted under those circumstances, have at it. It may not even be relevant to this case as the club may not have been 18 and up. What is relevant is that no charges were files. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse either to keep coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories.


PS - Look at how many people are convicted and then later found out, usually through DNA that they are innocent. Legal standards and actual events are often not the same.
Not sure what this has to do with anything other than showing that people get railroaded without any evidence all the time. It's a fact that if this hadn't had been a high profile person he would have likely been charged with a whole slew of stuff on just the word of some dumb drunk attention whore bitch. That doesn't make it right to charge a high profile person with no evidence does it?

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 08:08 AM
I don't have the case law but I suspect someone in a 21 and up club would have a reasonable expectation that every one else was 21 and up and that they didn't need to perform background investigations any time they bought someone a drink. You can find a case where someone was convicted under those circumstances, have at it. It may not even be relevant to this case as the club may not have been 18 and up. What is relevant is that no charges were files. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse either to keep coming up with all kinds of conspiracy theories. not a conspiracy theory at all, a misdemeanor and not really worthy of time or cost but 21+ clubs justification is not a reasonable excuse. Many charges including statuatory rape have been successfully prosecuted regardless of age limits of the establishment the offense occured in



Not sure what this has to do with anything other than showing that people get railroaded without any evidence all the time. It's a fact that if this hadn't had been a high profile person he would have likely been charged with a whole slew of stuff on just the word of some dumb drunk attention whore bitch. That doesn't make it right to charge a high profile person with no evidence does it?
- just pointing out that it is possible a crime was committed but being able to prove it isn't always easy or possible.

hatt
04-21-2010, 08:17 AM
- just pointing out that it is possible a crime was committed but being able to prove it isn't always easy or possible.
just pointing out that it is possible a crime was not committed but being able to prove it isn't always easy or possible.

Fixed it.;)

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 09:26 AM
just pointing out that it is possible a crime was not committed but being able to prove it isn't always easy or possible.

Fixed it.;)

That is ignorant and redundant -of course there is never a need to prove that a crime was not committed. In this country you are legally innocent until proven guilty. Nobody has ever had to prove that a crime did not take place. example -Q: how can I prove that I didn't strangle somebody last night? A: I don't have to

No conspiracy theories but there was some sloppy police work as usual - No officers told the janitor not to clean the bathroom so by the time the police went to gather evidence it had already been scrubbed clean.

hatt
04-21-2010, 09:42 AM
That is ignorant and redundant -of course there is never a need to prove that a crime was not committed.


Unless you're Ben Roethlisberger? You keep convicting him of something.

Anyway, I'm done with this silliness. No charges were filed because there was no evidence. And a non cooperating "victim." Looks simple to me to figure it all out.

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 10:58 AM
Dude - you are misunderstanding me totally - I am not finding him guilty of anything and hope like hell he didn't do it. All I am saying is that the only two people who know for sure were in that room together and there is not enough physical evidence to bring charges (this in no way effects what happened) I am however concerned, as a Lawyer from a law firm has come out and publicly stated that they were hired to investigate a nearly identical claim (3rd instance) and were getting ready to turn over evidence to authorities when the alleged victim decided that she did not want the public scrutiny and asked them to drop it (the law firm)- I also have looked at the findings of the physical exam and talking to a lawyer (my father ) he felt in the state of Ohio there is enough evidence based on his experience and familiarity with the system that charges would have at least been filed or presented to a grand jury at the very least.

Unless you're Ben Roethlisberger? You keep convicting him of something
PS- Ben doesn't need to prove a crime wasn't committed, somebody else has to prive that one was. Remember OJ?

Once again the point isn't that I am saying he did or didn't do it only that we will never know and I certainly would never convict somebody or ask that their freedom be taken away for something I can never be sure of. A civil suit where the burden is only a preponderance of evidence to suggest something happened versus beyond all reasonable doubt may be forthcoming however.

tcarcio
04-21-2010, 11:24 AM
Don't know if you guy's heard yet but the NFL just suspended Rothlesburger for 6 games.

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 11:30 AM
Don't know if you guy's heard yet but the NFL just suspended Rothlesburger for 6 games.

The report is conditional 6 games with a reduction to 4 if he meets certain benchmarks. Kind of like the Vick suspension (conditional)

Cygnus
04-21-2010, 11:37 AM
Good move by steelers. Hopefully ben has learned from this

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An36SGGnSrWfmSdEHOqLqBQ5nYcB?slug=ap-roethlisberger-suspension

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger(notes) will be suspended for four to six games for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy, according to a person with knowledge of the decision.

The person spoke to The Associated Press on Wednesday on the condition of anonymity because the league hasn’t announced its decision.

Last week, prosecutors decided not to charge Roethlisberger after a 20-year-old college student accused him of sexually assaulting her in a Georgia nightclub in March.

Both ESPN and FoxSports.com were reporting that the suspension would contain conditions that would allow the length of the ban to be reduced.

The suspension was expected by the Steelers, who reacquired quarterback Byron Leftwich(notes) from Tampa Bay on Tuesday night for a seventh-round draft pick. Leftwich is expected to compete with third-year QB Dennis Dixon(notes) to start the Steelers’ first four games, which include three against non-playoff teams from last season. The Steelers now have four quarterbacks on their roster.

Privately, the Steelers were girding for a suspension of as many as eight games.

The NFL and the Steelers were angered and embarrassed by the tawdry details of Roethlisberger’s night out March 3.

In a statement to police, the 20-year-old college student said Roethlisberger encouraged her, and her friends, to take numerous shots of alcohol. Then one of his bodyguards escorted her into a hallway at the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Georgia, sat her on a stool and left. She said Roethlisberger walked down the hallway and exposed himself.

“I told him it wasn’t OK, no, we don’t need to do this and I proceeded to get up and try to leave,” she said. “I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom.”

According to her statement, Roethlisberger then followed her into the bathroom and shut the door.

“I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me,” she wrote.

Two of her friends said they saw a bodyguard lead her into the hallway and then saw Roethlisberger follow. They said they couldn’t see their friend but knew she was drunk and were worried about her.

The statements were among hundreds of pages of the case file made public last week by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Last week, Steelers president Art Rooney II said the team would have imposed sanctions on Roethlisberger before now, but doing so would have permitted the players union to appeal any penalties. Any suspension imposed by Goodell can be appealed only to him.

DoctorCAD
04-21-2010, 11:42 AM
fuck the nfl

JP_2684
04-21-2010, 01:34 PM
fuck the nfl
http://videogum.com/img/thumbnails/photos/you_mad.jpg

Maybe if Ben didn't rape women, this wouldn't have happened.

LOLRAPISTBURGER. :haha:

hatt
04-21-2010, 03:00 PM
Dude - you are misunderstanding me totally - I am not finding him guilty of anything and hope like hell he didn't do it.

Do I think he did it, hell yeah and it pisses me off...
:rolleyes:

Anyway, you do sound like a lawyer. You've played this from every angle imaginable. He's guilty, he's not guilty, he's innocent until proven guilty, he's guilty they just can't prove it, the janitor did it, the police did it. Damn.

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 03:21 PM
Hatt -those statements are not contradictory. I can think that he did it and still hope like hell that he didn't as I don't know for sure. As new evidence comes to light I can revise my personal opinion but not the measure of his legal guilt/innocence and BTW did you read the letter that goodell sent to him in which it specifically addresses the fact of him encouraging and/or supplying alcohol to underage females - Hatt I really don't know what planet you are on at times.

BTW Innocent until proven guilty and me believing he did it now but not knowing are two different things.

As pointed out earlier you may be innocent in the eyes of the Law but still may have done it

To be crystal clear after a thorough a review of released facts and statements I think/believe he may have done it but he is still innocent without proof.

hatt
04-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Dude, stop bringing up legal stuff. Legally he's innocent, everyone knows that. No need for endless comments about that. This is da forums, not da courts. You think he did it, no matter how little evidence exists. Did you think those Duke lacrosse players were guilty back then too? That case was like steel compared to this flimsy case and we know how that turned out. People lie. Oh, and don't bring up the "the victim doesn't want all the scrutiny" BS. If you were really victimized you have a duty to do your part to get the predator off the streets. It's funny these same MFers don't mind the scrutiny when a civil case and dollar signs come around.

jkkyler
04-21-2010, 04:11 PM
Hatt - no way IMHO is this anywhere near the Duke case- like steel my ass. Have you actually read the ME report (roethlisberger case) determining that sexual contact had been made and there were signs of vaginal tearing but Georgia law requires 'proof of force' which could not be attained. Dna was also found (ben's case) but not in significant amounts to determine whose it was. Plus the credibility of the witness is very different here.
In the Duke case the accused had time stamped atm receipts along with bank cam footage of his whereabouts at the time of the alleged rape- hard to do it if you are not there. Also a history of mental instability and prior accusations.Stop bringing up legal stuff- are you fucking kidding me this whole thing is a legal SNAFU. Once again there appears to be shoddy police work and one officer is being investigated and another supposedly has resigned. Doesn't mean anything intentional just incompetece which I see a lot of every day. Part of my point was for the people who were confusing law with court of public opinion.
I agree with you that victims should try to get predators off the street but the shame and public stigma victims suffer is no laughing matter - I do feel that if you are unwilling to testify in a criminal case then you should not be allowed to bring civil charges.
Ben was one of my favorite players but over the past several years he has done much to erode that .
This argument has gotten way off in left field but my orginal premise I believe was that legality and fact are often removed from one another. If you would pay attention to what is written semantics do matter.

DoctorCAD
04-21-2010, 06:30 PM
http://videogum.com/img/thumbnails/photos/you_mad.jpg

Maybe if Ben didn't rape women, this wouldn't have happened.

LOLRAPISTBURGER. :haha:

Show me ANY evidence of that and I will happily agree with you and stand on the mountain tops shouting him down to hell.

Until you can...

STFU asshole.

hatt
04-21-2010, 07:12 PM
If you would pay attention to what is written semantics do matter.

I pay close attention to what is written. NON COOPERATING WITNESS. NO CHARGES FILED! This is what we know as fact. Everything else is guesses, speculation and stories.

JP_2684
04-21-2010, 07:38 PM
Show me ANY evidence of that and I will happily agree with you and stand on the mountain tops shouting him down to hell.

Until you can...

STFU asshole.
Ah, there's nothing better than getting people, especially a middle-aged dude (which I assume you are), all riled up on the internet. http://sigsports.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/teehee.gif

The main point of my post was to get you even more pissed off and disgruntled... and it worked.

So, thanks for taking the bait!

http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/9f6912dc13eae5389b645f9de8c66b75c54744f5_m.gif

bruceames
04-21-2010, 08:16 PM
SF Bay Area talk radio was discussing practically nothing else than salivating at the possibility of Ben coming to the Raiders. I don't think any QB that good would go to Oakland on their free will, even Ben couldn't make the pathetic Raiders a winner. :rolleyes:

I can't believe Pittsburg would even consider trading him, but according to the Radio Gods, they are shopping him around by making some phone calls. Good, let the Steelers fall back into the gutter where they belong and the city can celebrate the goodliness of the Pittsburg Doughboys, while the rest of the NFL reaps on their loss. :lol:

DoctorCAD
04-22-2010, 05:56 AM
SF Bay Area talk radio was discussing practically nothing else than salivating at the possibility of Ben coming to the Raiders. I don't think any QB that good would go to Oakland on their free will, even Ben couldn't make the pathetic Raiders a winner. :rolleyes:

I can't believe Pittsburg would even consider trading him, but according to the Radio Gods, they are shopping him around by making some phone calls. Good, let the Steelers fall back into the gutter where they belong and the city can celebrate the goodliness of the Pittsburg Doughboys, while the rest of the NFL reaps on their loss. :lol:


If by "gutter", you mean that area where there are 6 Super Bowl Trophies, I'll happily go there and wait for our next one.

bruceames
04-22-2010, 08:06 AM
If by "gutter", you mean that area where there are 6 Super Bowl Trophies, I'll happily go there and wait for our next one.

They have 6 already? Dang, they must have snuck a couple in there while I was wasn't looking. :huh :lol:

Sorry Doc, I'm just not much of a Steeler fan, they always beat the Redskins when they play and win more Super Bowls. But good luck to your team and I hope they keep Big Ben, or least hope the Raiders don't get him because for them that would be too much of an infusion of talent for one season. I don't think they could handle it. :duh:

hatt
04-22-2010, 09:22 AM
I can't believe more teams aren't interested in him. Young QBs with multiple SB rings don't hit the market every day. Especially at closeout prices.

DoctorCAD
04-22-2010, 01:22 PM
From AP

INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Indianapolis Colts President Bill Polian says the team will not discipline defensive tackle Eric Foster(notes), who faces a sexual assault lawsuit.

A 22-year-old hotel receptionist is suing Foster, claiming that he sexually assaulted her in his room at an Indianapolis hotel before the AFC Championship game Jan. 24.

Polian said Wednesday that the team has no reason to discipline Foster because police investigated the incident and prosecutors later decided not to file charges.

He says Foster remains with the team and will participate in its offseason program.

The Associated Press is not naming the woman because it generally does not identify alleged victims of sexual assault.

Hmmm...

jkkyler
04-22-2010, 01:29 PM
From AP

INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Indianapolis Colts President Bill Polian says the team will not discipline defensive tackle Eric Foster(notes), who faces a sexual assault lawsuit.

A 22-year-old hotel receptionist is suing Foster, claiming that he sexually assaulted her in his room at an Indianapolis hotel before the AFC Championship game Jan. 24.

Polian said Wednesday that the team has no reason to discipline Foster because police investigated the incident and prosecutors later decided not to file charges.

He says Foster remains with the team and will participate in its offseason program.

The Associated Press is not naming the woman because it generally does not identify alleged victims of sexual assault.

Hmmm...


Maybe in Pittsburgh then we could trade Big Ben for Peyton Manning. All would feel right at home and the black and gold could continue to win championships with class.

Cygnus
04-22-2010, 02:09 PM
I am not that surprised. He is not that good. He has off field issues

I can't believe more teams aren't interested in him. Young QBs with multiple SB rings don't hit the market every day. Especially at closeout prices.

hatt
04-22-2010, 02:38 PM
I am not that surprised. He is not that good. He has off field issues
I don't think he's the cream of the crop, but he's defiantly superior to most of the QBs out there. And has shown the ability to get it done when it counts. His off field issues are the only reason he's available, so that's a possible plus to a team.

kamspy
04-25-2010, 10:30 AM
Big Ben is vastly overrated. As someone who sees him twice a year, I think a top ten pick was waaay too much to ask.

Those two SB years the team was so good you could plug in any serviceable QB and win.

There's a reason why no one bit. He's worth a second round pick at best.

You've got two breeds of SB QBs. You've got the Peytons, Warners and Brees' of the world, and you've got the Dilfer, Big Ben and Brad Johnsons of the world.


Ben is just above average. Put him on the Raiders and you'd get nothing.