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The Final Fantasy XIII thread

junehhan
03-01-2010, 04:35 PM
I figure I will start up a FFXIII thread since i'm shocked that noone has started one up yet considering how much many of you guys are looking foward to this game.

I am debating whether I will pick this game up next week. I have been rather disappointed by the FF series since FFVII, and FFVIII was the last one I ever actually fully played and beat. I have not tried FFXI or FFXII at all though.

I have seen many of the game videos, but my biggest concern over the combat system is whether this is going to be turning into one of those button masher type of games. I want to buy it, but am not sure as I just havn't been happy with the series as of late. Hopefully you guys will have working PS3's by then.

Here is an article I just read where they are making forcasts of which system will sell the most copies. I predict that both will be fairly equal with the PS3 possibly having slightly more sales.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/22195/British-Discounter-Claims-360-FF13-Will-Double-PS3-Sales/

MikeRox
03-01-2010, 04:43 PM
I'd have thought the PS3 will shift more copies of FFXIII than the 360 overall (even without Japan). Can see the 360 ver beating the PS3 ver in the US and UK, but in Europe I'd expect it to be the other way quite significantly.

Will be interesting to see what happens. I guess it really also depends just how big the discrepancies are between the PS3 and 360 version. The resolution is lower on the 360, but that alone won't be a big issue, it depends how big the other compromises are.

There was some serious slagging off the visuals of the 360 version in comparison, but I think a good chunk of that was PS3 fanboys crowing because they're pissy their beloved "exclusive" has jumped ship from them in nearly as big a way as they did Nintendo :lol:

awol
03-01-2010, 05:25 PM
Here is an article I just read where they are making forcasts of which system will sell the most copies. I predict that both will be fairly equal with the PS3 possibly having slightly more sales.



Are you assuming for US only?

It's not being released on 360 in Japan. So there's a cool couple million off the bat for the PS3. Here in the states, I think it will still sell marginally better on PS3. In Europe, as Mike said, it should trounce the 360 version. And like in the US, I think the UK should come out marginally ahead for the PS3.

MikeRox
03-01-2010, 05:34 PM
The entire reasoning for the article about 2:1 sales is based on people hunting for more discount coupons on a UK coupon website. All it shows so far is that Xbox gamers are bigger cheapskates than PS3 gamers :lol: that must be good for Sony what with their choice of a 109.99 ($165) RRP for GoW3 CE.

Will be interesting to see how what for the past 13 years has been a Sony exclusive franchise will fare. I wouldn't be surprised if MS get more marketshare than anticipated, I would however be very surprised if the 360 version sold better than the PS3 version overall.

junehhan
03-01-2010, 06:19 PM
Are you assuming for US only?

It's not being released on 360 in Japan. So there's a cool couple million off the bat for the PS3. Here in the states, I think it will still sell marginally better on PS3. In Europe, as Mike said, it should trounce the 360 version. And like in the US, I think the UK should come out marginally ahead for the PS3.

No, I am not counting Japan in my totals. The market in Japan is so lopsided anyway towards a single console. It will be interesting and we won't really know until we get some estimates after the first week of sales.

KEEBS1984
03-01-2010, 06:23 PM
I believe it'll sell more on the PS3 than the XBox in every region. In the US it might... might... be near equal. But I doubt it.

We'll see though... only a few more days now.

Personally, I'm waiting for some reviews to see which version I'm getting. I have a feeling the PS3 version will be the "true" version, but anything can happen. :o

marcallo
03-01-2010, 06:25 PM
PS3 for sure. Not sure if I'll pick it up or just try and grab it as a rental, I didn't enjoy X-2 or XII that much to be honest. :(

junehhan
03-01-2010, 06:27 PM
Do we know what the differences are(if any) between the 2 versions? Do we know for sure that the X360 version is being upscaled from 576p to 720p? So long as the textures are just as detailed, that doesn't mean that the X360 version is going to look noticeably different considering that some of the best looking games on both the X360 and PS3 were not rendered at true HD resolutions.

What about audio? What about in game features like missions and playability stuff?

KEEBS1984
03-01-2010, 06:36 PM
Do we know what the differences are(if any) between the 2 versions? Do we know for sure that the X360 version is being upscaled from 576p to 720p? So long as the textures are just as detailed, that doesn't mean that the X360 version is going to look noticeably different considering that some of the best looking games on both the X360 and PS3 were not rendered at true HD resolutions.

What about audio? What about in game features like missions and playability stuff?

I have no idea. Thats why I'm waiting for reviews. Even if it means picking up the game a few days after release. I'm gonna make sure I have the optimal playing experience for this game. :cool:

awol
03-01-2010, 06:58 PM
Personally, I'm waiting for some reviews to see which version I'm getting. I have a feeling the PS3 version will be the "true" version, but anything can happen. :o

As much as I want the achievements on the 360 version.... It just feels.... wrong to play Final Fantasy on the 360. Much like it felt wrong to play VII on the original PSX.

junehhan
03-01-2010, 06:59 PM
I have no idea. Thats why I'm waiting for reviews. Even if it means picking up the game a few days after release. I'm gonna make sure I have the optimal playing experience for this game. :cool:

Heh, I won't have a choice which console I buy it for as I only have an X360. My question will be whether I decide to buy this game or not, and will definately be waiting for a bunch of reviews. I thought about getting a PS3, but decided that an Oppo BDP83 will likely be a better use of my money since there hasn't been a single game on the PS3 that I wanted that wasn't also available for the Xbox.

I've heard all sorts of rumors about how the PS3 version is going to be awesome, but none of those making those arguments were able to back it up with facts.

KEEBS1984
03-01-2010, 11:04 PM
As much as I want the achievements on the 360 version.... It just feels.... wrong to play Final Fantasy on the 360. Much like it felt wrong to play VII on the original PSX.

I'm not really worried about this. I went through this feeling when going from FFIII (VI) to FFVII. Turns out it really wasn't that big of a deal back then and I'm sure it won't be that big of a deal this time.

I'm also not really an achievements person. Plus with my brand new Rocketfish controller (the one that looks like a 360 pad) I won't have that getting in my way either. For this game I can truly go with whichever one is better. :)

junehhan
03-02-2010, 12:06 AM
I'm not really worried about this. I went through this feeling when going from FFIII (VI) to FFVII. Turns out it really wasn't that big of a deal back then and I'm sure it won't be that big of a deal this time.

I'm also not really an achievements person. Plus with my brand new Rocketfish controller (the one that looks like a 360 pad) I won't have that getting in my way either. For this game I can truly go with whichever one is better. :)

The problem is that those achievements are really addictive. For many, it makes the game that much more exciting and adds that much more value to it. I am not much of an achievements person(since launch day, my gamerscore is only 27000), but it is like a bonus on top of the experience the game gives you.

MikeRox
03-02-2010, 06:39 AM
As much as I want the achievements on the 360 version.... It just feels.... wrong to play Final Fantasy on the 360. Much like it felt wrong to play VII on the original PSX.

See, in Europe, Final Fantasy has only ever been a Sony franchise on home consoles. Square never bothered releasing 1-6 in Europe until around 2001/2002 on PS1.

So I think more so than anywhere else, Final Fantasy will feel most like a Sony franchise in Europe, it was actually Sony who published them over here, otherwise we may never have seen Final Fantasy on these shores.

Razor05
03-02-2010, 09:14 AM
The problem is that those achievements are really addictive. For many, it makes the game that much more exciting and adds that much more value to it. I am not much of an achievements person(since launch day, my gamerscore is only 27000) , but it is like a bonus on top of the experience the game gives you.

I'm the one who's not much of an achievement person with only 11,000, lol. ;)

scsa
03-02-2010, 09:37 AM
See if the 360 beats the ps3 for this game I wouldn't be surprised though it's kind of unfair since the ps3 has God of war coming out the week later meaning people on the ps3 buying games will most likely pick God of war instead if they have to choose one or the other while the 360 has no good games coming out this month at all besides this one.

KEEBS1984
03-02-2010, 09:55 AM
See if the 360 beats the ps3 for this game I wouldn't be surprised though it's kind of unfair since the ps3 has God of war coming out the week later meaning people on the ps3 buying games will most likely pick God of war instead if they have to choose one or the other while the 360 has no good games coming out this month at all besides this one.

Thats a good point. I wonder if God of War 3 will have any direct affect on FFXIII sales or vice versa...

Also, the 360 has Metro 2033 coming out this month. Not exactly a system seller, but I'd argue that its a "good" game based on many previews. :p

scsa
03-02-2010, 10:08 AM
true but that 360 game wasn't being made for years like GOW 3 was so really if GOW 3 does bad then seriously I don't know what the hell is happening because so many great reviews I would be hard to press to see a 9/10 for the game it's a clear 10/10 game.

marcallo
03-02-2010, 12:18 PM
7,000 points here, but I only have the system just about 1.5 years. Anyway, i think GOW3 and FFXII have a good crossover audience that will buy both and then there's people who buy every action game but not RPG's and people who love RPG's but would never ever play GOW. I think both will do fine.

MikeRox
03-02-2010, 12:26 PM
If God of War 3 doesn't sell as well as intended, Sony will be seriously rejigging their first party priorities.

junehhan
03-02-2010, 05:28 PM
I'm the one who's not much of an achievement person with only 11,000, lol. ;)

Yes, but I have had an X360 since 11/22/2005 so 27000 points is not exactly a lot. I just recently de-friended someone on my fiend list who had a score already over 80000. Had to de-friend him as i'm cutting down on the number of total strangers on my list. By total stranger, I mean people who I have no idea where I ran into them, and someone who I don't remember ever playing a multiplayer game with.

You guys here are welcome to add me to your list, although I won't be going back to Gold status for a while(likely not till the next Halo game).

KEEBS1984
03-02-2010, 05:45 PM
Had to de-friend him as i'm cutting down on the number of total strangers on my list. By total stranger, I mean people who I have no idea where I ran into them, and someone who I don't remember ever playing a multiplayer game with.
:lol:

I have soo many of these types on both my Xbox Live and PSN. Where the hell do they come from? :huh

Razor05
03-02-2010, 09:33 PM
Yes, but I have had an X360 since 11/22/2005 so 27000 points is not exactly a lot. I just recently de-friended someone on my fiend list who had a score already over 80000. Had to de-friend him as i'm cutting down on the number of total strangers on my list. By total stranger, I mean people who I have no idea where I ran into them, and someone who I don't remember ever playing a multiplayer game with.

You guys here are welcome to add me to your list, although I won't be going back to Gold status for a while(likely not till the next Halo game).

I've had mine since release also. :p ;)

junehhan
03-02-2010, 09:56 PM
I've had mine since release also. :p ;)

I noticed that you are from Canada. Did they launch on the same day up there as well?

EddieDZ
03-03-2010, 08:24 AM
i'll be picking this up middle of march, i cant afford to get it on release day, i just picked up heavy rain and although i didnt pay a penny for it (futureshop special trade 2 get it free), i wont have the funds regardless until i get my tax return in which i will then buy FFXIII, so middle of march it is for me!. by that time i should have already played through heavy rain at least 2 or 3 times which is what im planning.

sadly i will have to pass on GoW3 for now until next time, maybe april. i want FFXIII way more so then GoW3...

Razor05
03-03-2010, 09:13 AM
I noticed that you are from Canada. Did they launch on the same day up there as well?

Yes, Canada and the US on Nov.22/05. I think it's pretty much the same release dates for us. Deep down though, I was hoping the next Xbox would be coming out soon. ;)

kamspy
03-03-2010, 02:09 PM
FFXIII

360
1024x576 (yup widescreen PAL sd)
2x MSAA
1024x576 + Bink Video Compression for cut scenes
English 5.1 Dolby Digital


PS3
1280x720
2x MSAA
1920x1080 with high bitrate AVC compression (BD quality) cut scenes.
English and Japanese 7.1 Uncompressed 24 bit LPCM
English and Japanese 5.1 DTS
English and Japanese 5.1 Dolby Digital




360 is clearly the system I'm buying it on for the cheesemints. Mase has shown me the light, and I'm a believer.

marcallo
03-03-2010, 02:19 PM
I wasn't expecting PS3 version to be THAT superior, but there it is. 360 users will have the opportunity to play it, but the PS3 will definitely be the native console.

MikeRox
03-03-2010, 02:19 PM
If the game itself plays as well, I wudn't say it was quite Bayonetta, FFXIII will still be a perfectly enjoyable experience on 360 and unless something goes seriously fugly with the visuals I see no reason it'll really detract from the experience for 360 only users.

Certainly think the BD version will be the way to go for the definitive version, but I don't think the core gameplay will be any different. The issues with Bayonetta on PS3 directly impacted on the gameplay experience.

kamspy
03-03-2010, 02:33 PM
Dunno Mike, looks as shoddy as the PS3 Bayonetta to me

http://www.mazingerdude.com/FF13_360_res.jpg

MikeRox
03-03-2010, 02:36 PM
Where's the confirmation of dual language btw? Got someone desperate for link about it.

Yeah from that it doesn't look great, difference is the genre though. J-RPGs don't need incredible visuals to work. Fast paced action games really do need decent frame rates though.

kamspy
03-03-2010, 02:37 PM
Visuals are the only thing FFXIII has going for it though. You can't even customize your party until the final 3 hours of the game.

KEEBS1984
03-03-2010, 05:09 PM
Well that settles is. I'll be getting the PS3 version of the game barring any super kickass deals for the 360 version. :o

junehhan
03-03-2010, 09:49 PM
The more I look at this game, the more I don't want to buy it. For some reason, I have a gut feeling that this game is only going to sell a gazillion copies because of the people who simply need to buy FF games, not because it will be that good. Maybe i'll wait around a while and see what reviews are saying about it. It looks more and more like a button masher the way i've seen the combat in the game videos.

haddad287
03-03-2010, 10:11 PM
w00t w00t! only about 6 more days till FF 13 is released in stores! I cant wait to play it on my ps3 with my 46" hdtv!!! yayy!!!!!

MikeRox
03-04-2010, 02:51 AM
Well that settles is. I'll be getting the PS3 version of the game barring any super kickass deals for the 360 version. :o

The ironic thing is, the big Final Fantasy collectors are going to be drawn to the 360 version for the limited edition console.

awol
03-04-2010, 09:14 AM
The more I look at this game, the more I don't want to buy it. For some reason, I have a gut feeling that this game is only going to sell a gazillion copies because of the people who simply need to buy FF games, not because it will be that good. Maybe i'll wait around a while and see what reviews are saying about it. It looks more and more like a button masher the way i've seen the combat in the game videos.

Not from what I've read. It seems more like they've introduced the ability to do combo attacks, but it's still bound to how many "hits" you have available to you at that point in time in the battle.

Keep in mind one of the biggest draws for fans of the series isn't necessarily the gameplay. It's the storylines. And this one seems to want to deliver on that. Yes there are many that are in it for the purty pictures, but the stories are usually extremely engaging.

kamspy
03-04-2010, 03:07 PM
The ironic thing is, the big Final Fantasy collectors are going to be drawn to the 360 version for the limited edition console.

Err. Isn't it just a white 360 with an extra controller?

The white PS3 Slim with the Lightning lithograph on it is probably already in the homes of all the real die hards.

marcallo
03-04-2010, 03:36 PM
I think the front panel is a FFXIII litho of some sort.

KEEBS1984
03-04-2010, 03:39 PM
The ironic thing is, the big Final Fantasy collectors are going to be drawn to the 360 version for the limited edition console.

Meh. I'm not a collector. I'm a gamer. :cool::gamer

MikeRox
03-04-2010, 04:27 PM
Now I'm pissed off. Having pre ordered it 2 months ago, GAME have decided they have run out of the Collectors Edition of Final Fantasy XIII and cancelled my pre order 5 days before release. Every other retailer is now also sold out and the scalpers are already putting a 30% mark up on the collectors edition :(

MikeRox
03-04-2010, 04:29 PM
Meh. I'm not a collector. I'm a gamer. :cool::gamer

We know, ur a frat boi halo 360 gamer :thumbsup: :p I mean the people who just love Final Fantasy, my dad buys all the FF releases and tries to get special editions etc. Luckily for him even just having FFVII non Platinum here is a "special edition" thanks to Square not starting FF in Europe until 1997 lol.

junehhan
03-04-2010, 05:50 PM
Not from what I've read. It seems more like they've introduced the ability to do combo attacks, but it's still bound to how many "hits" you have available to you at that point in time in the battle.

Keep in mind one of the biggest draws for fans of the series isn't necessarily the gameplay. It's the storylines. And this one seems to want to deliver on that. Yes there are many that are in it for the purty pictures, but the stories are usually extremely engaging.

Me, I just want some titties. Ja-RPG's have been hit or miss for me as I really like the storytelling, but not when it becomes way too linear and no longer is a game.

ChaosMan1014
03-04-2010, 06:00 PM
Err. Isn't it just a white 360 with an extra controller?

The white PS3 Slim with the Lightning lithograph on it is probably already in the homes of all the real die hards.

The SE 360 also comes with a faceplate AND and engraved Hard Drive oooooh!

It would be nice if we yankees got a different color ps3 more than two years before the end of the console's life span. I mean hell we have every controller under the sun, give us ps3 colors too!!!!

Nexgenrulz
03-05-2010, 06:23 AM
Kotaku is reporting that the 360 version is nowhere as near as impressive as the PS3 version. It does state that the PS3 version does take a hit in the framerate department though.


http://kotaku.com/5486271/report-ffxiii-on-360-isnt-anywhere-near-as-impressive-as-ps3-version

KEEBS1984
03-05-2010, 09:43 AM
Kotaku is reporting that the 360 version is nowhere as near as impressive as the PS3 version. It does state that the PS3 version does take a hit in the framerate department though.


http://kotaku.com/5486271/report-ffxiii-on-360-isnt-anywhere-near-as-impressive-as-ps3-version

Also a side-by-side comparison video.

I couldn't really tell the difference between the two actually, aside from a few shots of the Xbox 360 version where things look just a tad bit foggier.

I'll probably still be getting he PS3 version, but the slowdown in frame rates has me worried. I hate hate hate it when a game slows down on me. It completely takes me out of the game. It happened a few times in Mass Effect 2 at some very critical moments and almost ruined it for me.

Why the hell does the 360 version have a better framerate that the PS3 version? The PS3 was the lead console/development cycle! :banghead:

MikeRox
03-05-2010, 11:18 AM
Why the hell does the 360 version have a better framerate that the PS3 version? The PS3 was the lead console/development cycle! :banghead:

Running in standard definition with lower resolution textures etc will help the frame rate a lot. I think it's simply a by-product of the cut backs rather than anything else.

Having seen the number of FPS games etc which run at below 30fps on both consoles, I don't think 24fps in parts will impact FFXIII too much.

KEEBS1984
03-05-2010, 11:24 AM
Running in standard definition with lower resolution textures etc will help the frame rate a lot. I think it's simply a by-product of the cut backs rather than anything else.

Having seen the number of FPS games etc which run at below 30fps on both consoles, I don't think 24fps in parts will impact FFXIII too much.

It actually drops below 20fps in some segments. :eek:

MikeRox
03-05-2010, 11:28 AM
Slideshows 4tw! :lol: still seen a lot of FPS games drop below that too mind, and that genre is far more reliant on frame rate. Movies only run at 24fps so I'm hoping it won't hurt the game too much. Granted, would rather have it at a stable 30fps though if they can't do60fps.. I mean ffs, how amazing was I told the PS3 was? yada yada I thought when we moved on from the Xbox/GC/PS2 wow, visuals don't need to improve much, that means 60fps should become the norm.

Yet noooo... sub 30fps is becoming more common than it ever has. At least Nintendo have gunned for 60fps more on Wii.

junehhan
03-05-2010, 01:08 PM
Also a side-by-side comparison video.

I couldn't really tell the difference between the two actually, aside from a few shots of the Xbox 360 version where things look just a tad bit foggier.

I'll probably still be getting he PS3 version, but the slowdown in frame rates has me worried. I hate hate hate it when a game slows down on me. It completely takes me out of the game. It happened a few times in Mass Effect 2 at some very critical moments and almost ruined it for me.

Why the hell does the 360 version have a better framerate that the PS3 version? The PS3 was the lead console/development cycle! :banghead:

Perhaps FFXIII is getting rushed out the door, and should have spent some more time being developed like GT5? I really like pretty visuals, but stand by the fact the frame rates are king to a good gaming experience. I didn't have any frame rate problems in ME2 though, except for that cutscene when you enter the Collector homeworld.

BTW, does anyone know WTF is up with that damn chick in that dude's Afro? I thought I saw that in an international trailer I saw a few weeks ago and didn't think much of it, but that is creepy.

railven
03-05-2010, 01:51 PM
I just want the crowd to know as a hardcore FF fan, my expectations for this game have been low.

With the removal of the World Map, it just doesn't feel the same.

Prove me wrong Square, prove me wrong! Day -1 for me, calling in a favor! :D

marcallo
03-05-2010, 02:32 PM
My expectations are fairly low as well. I'm sure it will score 9's and such or a 90% metacritic whatever. But, there is really no excuse for fps dropping on the PS3 for a AAA game. Especially below 24fps every. I can't imagine what they possibly have on the screen that can crush the PS3's hardware so much.

MikeRox
03-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Uncharted drops to 15fps in places you know. Many 360 games do the same. 15fps isn't too uncommon sadly this gen.

EddieDZ
03-05-2010, 05:08 PM
gametrailers.com just posted up their video review

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-hd-final-fantasy/62720

a fairly low score for a FF title.. overall was a 8.6. its basically what every other review has been saying, slow start, the battle system is also a slow start until your several hours into the story, very linear game, some cheesy dialog... they do say the visuals and graphics are like to die for and they also like the battlesystem...

KEEBS1984
03-05-2010, 06:08 PM
I just want the crowd to know as a hardcore FF fan, my expectations for this game have been low.

With the removal of the World Map, it just doesn't feel the same.

Prove me wrong Square, prove me wrong! Day -1 for me, calling in a favor! :D

I agree about the world map thing. But then... the FF games have't had the world map since FFIX. Such a shame too. :(

Razor05
03-05-2010, 09:05 PM
TeamXbox gave it a 5 (http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1859/Final-Fantasy-XIII/p1/)

junehhan
03-05-2010, 11:29 PM
TeamXbox gave it a 5 (http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1859/Final-Fantasy-XIII/p1/)

The link is broken. I wonder if it pissed off a bunch of important people and they took it down.......

I will need some reviews from you guys when the game comes out on tuesday, but i'm starting to think that i'm going to be passing on yet another FF game. Things just havn't been the same. Are you playing a game or watching a movie? Beautiful cutscenes are nothing special, especially if they are prerendered unlike in games like Gears of War where they are actually rendered in real time wtihin the engine.

kamspy
03-06-2010, 12:29 AM
1080p Blu-Ray quality cut scene compression.

576p Bink Video cut scene compression.


Choose.

MikeRox
03-06-2010, 07:24 AM
I managed to find somewhere else with the collectors editions in stock, so I'll have my copy probably Monday or Tuesday :)

I'm still looking forward to it. I like big bright colourful Japanese games lol.

railven
03-06-2010, 07:40 AM
I just wanted to add to the frame rate issues. This has been a common issue with most/all Square RPGs due to the amount of particle effects they like to use.

Even giant GPUs like SLI 8800 GTX/4890s suffered slow down when heavy, and I mean HEAVY, particle effects are put into effect.

I'd go in WoW from a rock solid 60FPS, 8xAA/16xAF to a crushing 40FPS when all the casters would flip out and unload their casts.

Add any transparancies and your big FPS will start to wilter.

Good example, load up Bioshock (I'm sure Bioshock two has it too), crank all your settings up, get into one of the tunnels with the reflection distortion and water ways, and unload your stockpile of plasmids, you'll suffer an FPS hit too.

KEEBS1984
03-06-2010, 11:08 AM
Fuck it... not getting it.

The last straw for Square Enix. Their RPGs have consistently been going down the drain for the last few years (since XII). I'm not gonna support a a game that's been getting mediocre reviews (from some of my most trusted sources) that's also suffering from technical issues no matter which version I choose.

I'll rent it and instead spend my money on either Metro 2033, or (god willing a decent review) Resonance of Fate.

FFXIII is now, officially, a rental for me.

railven
03-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Fuck it... not getting it.

The last straw for Square Enix. Their RPGs have consistently been going down the drain for the last few years (since XII). I'm not gonna support a a game that's been getting mediocre reviews (from some of my most trusted sources) that's also suffering from technical issues no matter which version I choose.

I'll rent it and instead spend my money on either Metro 2033, or (god willing a decent review) Resonance of Fate.

FFXIII is now, officially, a rental for me.

I'm with you Keebs, except the not buying part. There are a few games I put a media block on to save it, but the few morsels I've read of FFXIII just leave a disgusting taste in my month. I'm hoping it is just nerd-rage on those expecting something like "the return to true JRPG goodness" but it just seems this game is total fail.

Oh well, still buying it got to add it to the collection. And Resonance of Fate seems to be the better RPG. I've yet to read one bad thing about that game. And it seriously looks next gen, not just high rez cell shading. Definitely buying that one.

EDIT: Just wanted to add, Crisis Core, 365/2 Days, and Dissidia were all great games. It just seems their console games are absolute fail.

MikeRox
03-06-2010, 11:48 AM
I'm hoping it's nerd rage too. But I enjoyed quite a few of the games that have taken a slating from the main review places this gen. Obviously my taste in gaming is just changing to that of reviewers for the most part.

Razor05
03-06-2010, 12:14 PM
The link is broken. I wonder if it pissed off a bunch of important people and they took it down.......

I will need some reviews from you guys when the game comes out on tuesday, but i'm starting to think that i'm going to be passing on yet another FF game. Things just havn't been the same. Are you playing a game or watching a movie? Beautiful cutscenes are nothing special, especially if they are prerendered unlike in games like Gears of War where they are actually rendered in real time wtihin the engine.

Here's the follow up (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/22240/Editors-Letter-to-TeamXbox-Readers/)

MikeRox
03-06-2010, 12:48 PM
So basically, they didn't get to what is supposed to be the best part of the game (the last few hours are when it really gets into its stride from what I've read from people who imported the Japanese version) though it's a shame you have to fight thought the lead by the hand fisherprice my first RPG stuff which it seems Square have felt it necessary to add to the game.

junehhan
03-06-2010, 12:56 PM
I'm still going to wait for your reviews, but I probably won't get it. The FF series fell apart after FFVII with FFVIII being one of the worst in my opinion. To be fair, I never played FFXII though except for a few hours at a friend's house.

marcallo
03-06-2010, 01:09 PM
FFX was an amazing game. I liked nearly everything about it. Hell the story almost had me crying at the end. And that's HARD to do. Since then I've been sort of Meh about the whole thing.

MikeRox
03-06-2010, 01:16 PM
Don't forget there has only been 1 true FF game since then. X-2 was actually aimed at female gamers, XI was an MMORPG leaving only XII as a true sequel, and FF-X was kinda nearly a decade ago now lol.

railven
03-06-2010, 01:21 PM
No, correction FFX-2 was the worst FF in the series, EVER! It had no redeeming value. None. A shitty story plot, while the job system was interesting it's implementation was useless, as you didn't have to switch to any job to get through anything, and leveling the jobs up was just as pointless, and in the end I got to 99% completition and never finished. Just one day stopped, and never went back.

FFXI was a decent MMO aside the horrific grind and expensive penalty for dying. No lie, you can spend a week getting from level 1 to level 10, and then in one day a chain of bad pulls can de-level you back to level 5. Why I think WoW picked up so many users, no penalty for death except cost, and even at that the cost was never crippling.

FFXII - played the tutorial, got fucking bored. However, the opening cinematic made me feel the story line might be grand and worthy of a play through. I just don't like these new combat systems...give me old school shit man (why I hate almost every Tri-Ace game, which is odd since I'm really really looking forward to playing Resonance of Fate.)

KEEBS1984
03-06-2010, 06:25 PM
No, correction FFX-2 was the worst FF in the series, EVER! It had no redeeming value. None. A shitty story plot, while the job system was interesting it's implementation was useless, as you didn't have to switch to any job to get through anything, and leveling the jobs up was just as pointless, and in the end I got to 99% completition and never finished. Just one day stopped, and never went back.

FFXI was a decent MMO aside the horrific grind and expensive penalty for dying. No lie, you can spend a week getting from level 1 to level 10, and then in one day a chain of bad pulls can de-level you back to level 5. Why I think WoW picked up so many users, no penalty for death except cost, and even at that the cost was never crippling.

FFXII - played the tutorial, got fucking bored. However, the opening cinematic made me feel the story line might be grand and worthy of a play through. I just don't like these new combat systems...give me old school shit man (why I hate almost every Tri-Ace game, which is odd since I'm really really looking forward to playing Resonance of Fate.)

I. Agree. With. Every. Word.

Seriously Final Fantasy has never been the same since they ditched the world map with FFX, an albeit decent game, but nowhere near as great as FFIX.

My personal top 3 FFs are:

FFVI (obviously :p)
FFIX
FFIV

Clearly none of the recent games have anything in common with these. :lol:

railven
03-06-2010, 06:34 PM
I. Agree. With. Every. Word.

Seriously Final Fantasy has never been the same since they ditched the world map with FFX, an albeit decent game, but nowhere near as great as FFIX.

My personal top 3 FFs are:

FFVI (obviously :p)
FFIX
FFIV

Clearly none of the recent games have anything in common with these. :lol:

My personal faves are FFVIII, FFVI, and FFIV.

I had this itch to play through FFVI again. But, I think there might be a remake on the horizon. The DS remarks are at 4, I'm hoping 5 and 6 are announced soon haha.

However, the remakes so far haven't been as good as the originals, but playing them in a new light is fun.

EddieDZ
03-06-2010, 08:44 PM
for me personally FFX was hands down the BEST ff ever!!!! the characters totally likable, the story was killer, graphics destroyed everything there was at the time, awesome battle system.. everything was amazing about that game. i actually didnt mind X-2 also!, i liked how non-linear it was and how the world map was open literally right from the geco! and you could go pretty much anywhere, i also liked the battle system and the job system alot, i thought the visuals were a slight improvement too especially the facial expressions, and the female character models were killer. i never played XII but i heard and read that it was like the ULTIMATE FF ever?. to bad XIII fell short, im still getting it cause im a big FF fan (big, not huge though) and i been really wanting to get the next FF for the ps3, i know i'll also get FFvsXIII... i wont be getting XIII on day one though..

-edit-

heres some more infor from ps3.ign.com .. not a review but its a "30hours into it" type of thing...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1074843p1.html

Yes, even after more than 30 hours with Final Fantasy XIII, I'm still not close to the end.
The criticisms that have circulated the internet regarding Final Fantasy XIII are mostly true. The first 25 to 30 hours are extremely linear. This is not an exaggeration -- the game is almost on rails during these segments, as there is usually only a single path that you travel down, with occasional side paths that might tease you with treasure.

This first section of the game (and arguably three quarters of the experience) is not only linear, but also restrictive. Players are not allowed to choose their party or party leader -- these selections are dictated by the story progression. Although this might be a tremendous pain to some gamers, I actually enjoyed the linearity and restrictions, because it forced me to experiment with all the characters and their various battle roles. Of course, players that aren't aware of Final Fantasy XIII's open-world conclusion might be much less enthusiastic, especially if they believe that the entire game is completely linear.
Another seemingly universal complaint is the fact that there are "no towns" in Final Fantasy XIII, but this claim can be somewhat misleading. There absolutely are towns in the game -- just not in the traditional JRPG sense. During your journey, you do pass through different cities and locales, but they're just as linear as the game's dungeons. So while it's initially disappointing to not have peaceful areas to explore and take a break from battle, there are plenty of beautiful, fantastic environments to marvel at as you continue through the story.

It's safe to say that Final Fantasy XIII is very different than the other Final Fantasy titles, but it's a lot of fun. The battle system is surprisingly complex and -- perhaps even more startling -- extremely difficult. Although players only control one character at a time, there is plenty of micromanagement to be found.

While in the neutral position, your main character's turn gauge charges up. This gauge is segmented, so when it's full, there are actually three full segments contained within it. Executing a single command requires a certain number of segments. For example, a basic attack requires one segment, so players can queue up three at a time. A Blitz attack, alternatively, costs two segments of the gauge. As characters grow, their turn gauges will expand, enabling players to select a more complex series of actions.
As a quick note for owners of multiple platforms, I strongly recommend getting this game on the PS3. The 360 version seems to run well enough, but it's noticeably less sharp and is spread across three discs.

railven
03-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Well my girlfriend pointed out something I didn't even notice. I guess her studies in graphic designs has something to with it.:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off

If you watch that video there, and keep an eye on the PS3 side, there are things being rendered that aren't on the 360 version.

Extra ice shards, objects in the background, more NPCs on screen.

This in all can (and does) affect Frames Per Second.

I didn't get to see it all, as it timed out, but that is something to think about.

kamspy
03-07-2010, 02:31 PM
Fuck it... not getting it.

I beat this meta-game a couple months back when the Japanese version came out and read the impressions(non corporate reviews) way back then.


Walk straight and auto-battle to win. Difficulty curves hit and you then learn the battle. Walk straight some more. Hope you like the FMV. Roll credits.

MikeRox
03-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Well my collectors edition turned up today. Very nice set, including OST, Art Book, concept art postcards and some stickers.

I've booted the game up and been absolutely floored by the intro cinematics. Looks and sounds absolutely incredible. It's definitely very led by the hand to start with. Still enjoying it so far, music is proper vintage J-RPG only now with real instruments rather than chip music.

Theres just one thing this game screams though, and thats just "I wish I was a FFVII remake", that would be phenomenal using this game engine!

MikeRox
03-09-2010, 03:02 PM
Well my collectors edition turned up today. Very nice set, including OST, Art Book, concept art postcards and some stickers.

I've booted the game up and been absolutely floored by the intro cinematics. Looks and sounds absolutely incredible. It's definitely very led by the hand to start with. Still enjoying it so far, music is proper vintage J-RPG only now with real instruments rather than chip music.

There's just one thing this game screams though, and that's just "I wish I was a FFVII remake", that would be phenomenal using this game engine!

It does feel like the game is set up for people who have never touched a J-RPG in their life.

MikeRox
03-10-2010, 01:41 PM
No one else bought it? o_O Sad times. Team Xbox's rants are fanboy drivel from my experience so far.

kamspy
03-10-2010, 02:22 PM
No one else bought it? o_O Sad times. Team Xbox's rants are fanboy drivel from my experience so far.

I didn't even bother to put Heavy Rain in the mail Saturday to ensure my rental copy.

I just don't have any motivation to play it. First time for a FF game.

How about some more detailed impressions?

MikeRox
03-10-2010, 02:40 PM
Hmmmm... suppose so :p this is being played when I originally planned to play Heavy Rain, so it's kinda taken over from it atm, I only popped it in to have a peek and it kinda stayed in the console.

It looks how the MPEG 2 sequences in FFX promised the franchise to look. It's been fairly steampunk in art direction so far but the PS3 version looks stunning with the excellent art direction for everything backed up by very technically solid environments and animation. I can't wait to get out into the more grand looking areas as the screenshots I've seen look like they're really show off the game engine.

The battle engine is looking interesting. It's a hell of a lot faster paced than previous FF games and you really need to watch your health to make sure you don't drop a clanger and end up dying due to mis-timing. I think the biggest issue for some people is that it's very removed from what people associate FF combat with, however change is good, it's just no longer FFVII or FFX etc. The engine and combat system still works well.

The first chapters are very led by the hand. I think this is really geared up at introducing people who have never played J-RPGs before to the genre, however tutorials can be skipped, but it is quite a slow opening section as it is gradually introducing the different components.

A lot of the "traditional" aspects have either gone completely, or are very far removed, experience for example has vanished, though characters still develop abilities, so I only see this as a good thing, as it looks like the grind has been taken out (something I used to hate) and the random battles have been replaced by physical enemies being in the main areas so you can anticipate and see them before they happen.

Storyline is intriguing at the moment, I'm still playing because I want to know what's going to happen next, some guys I know who are further in say that it's more than worth getting past the initial grind and that the higher scores the game has received are a far better reflection of the game. So far I'm inclined to agree. Save points are ridiculously frequent where I am so far too.

Music is again top notch, this has by far the best audio quality of an FF game to date, very orchestral score and the music gets pumping in the right places. Glad I got the CE for the OST disc.

All in all, going in with an open mind, I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far and personally it's seeming like a step in the right direction. An experiment with FF? Definitely, "failed" however I wouldn't say so, just room for improvement which will hopefully be rectified by either XIII Versus or FFXV

awol
03-10-2010, 02:52 PM
No one else bought it? o_O Sad times. Team Xbox's rants are fanboy drivel from my experience so far.

I bought it. Picked it up last night. It will stay in its packaging until my AVR is repaired and hooked up. But then, I have a SHIT TON to catch up on:

Finishing Dragon Age
Playing through Uncharted 2
Finishing Fallout 3 (main quest plus all the DLC)
God of War III
Darksiders
Bayonetta
Dante's Inferno
Heavy Rain (LOVED the demo!!)
Bioshock 2
Saboteur


:eyecrazy

Too much good shit, too little time.

KEEBS1984
03-10-2010, 03:09 PM
I bought it. Picked it up last night. It will stay in its packaging until my AVR is repaired and hooked up. But then, I have a SHIT TON to catch up on:

Finishing Dragon Age
Playing through Uncharted 2
Finishing Fallout 3 (main quest plus all the DLC)
God of War III
Darksiders
Bayonetta
Dante's Inferno
Heavy Rain (LOVED the demo!!)
Bioshock 2
Saboteur


:eyecrazy

Too much good shit, too little time.

Damn awol... you may as well just quit your day job now cause that list is only gonna grow as Summer approaches. :lol:

As for me, no I didn't buy it. I've instead decided to rent it because I didn't want to support a FF game I didn't think I'd enjoy. Same reasn I didn';t buy FFXII actually (best non-purchase of my life!). For all intents and purposes the FF series may as well be dead to me.

I mean seriously... FFXI, FFXII, FFXIII, FFIV... WTF is going on!?

Oh and lets not forget FFX-2...a shining turd of an example of SquareEnix's incompetence over the last few years.

awol
03-10-2010, 03:50 PM
Damn awol... you may as well just quit your day job now cause that list is only gonna grow as Summer approaches. :lol:

Don't joke... that may be reality before too long. :( We're having widespread layoffs in the coming weeks due to a loss of revenue. And then my full time job might become finding another full time job.


As for me, no I didn't buy it. I've instead decided to rent it because I didn't want to support a FF game I didn't think I'd enjoy. Same reasn I didn';t buy FFXII actually (best non-purchase of my life!). For all intents and purposes the FF series may as well be dead to me.


See, I really enjoyed 12. I know a lot of people didn't, but I found it a truly refreshing entry in the series. A great story, plus the new battle system was really easy to use (once you understood how to optimize it anyway). It made battles much more rapid once you set your gambits up. Admittedly, I wish they would go back to the process of the first game and make you buy all your spells though. I know it sounds archaic, but making you choose which spells you want via the leveling up process is a pain in the ass. There were times where I wanted to unlock a certain spell, but would have to use up vital points to unlock useless crap along the way.

marcallo
03-10-2010, 09:17 PM
I am getting annoyed by gamefly. I have 6 games in my list and they are all listed as "low" or "very low" availability. So I am paying to have two games out and currently have one out and one back in their hands for 2 days with nothing being sent to me. I'd figure they could at least get me heavy rain at this point. I'll try FFXIII when gamefly sends it to me. Sending back Dante's Inferno tomorrow as well now that I've beaten it. I wonder how long before I see another game. Netflix they aint.

eiger
03-10-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm on the fence guys. I need you to let me know if it's a worthy purchase or not. I like action RPGs typically. Have a tough time with turn based stuff.

No prior FF experience other than FF7 on the PS.

I also have a shit ton to catch up on. Namely -

Battlefield 2
Bioshock 2
Mass Effect Insanity Mode
Tales of Vesperia (been sitting on my shelf with 2hrs of gameplay in)

I'm also trying to save money for this (http://emotiva.com/xpa3.shtm) I may go deaf doing it, but I will enjoy every minute of it.

I am finding I just don't have the time for this shit anymore like I used to. I'm already committed to a participating in an alpha that I can't talk about and would have to kill you if I did.

MikeRox
03-14-2010, 06:27 AM
Wow, this has really got going now, you do need to "endure" the first couple of chapters for the game to start going properly. The battle engine has now really opened up and there is a lot more freedom in battles than I'd been led to believe.

It's turn based but you just control a single character, the rest of the party do their own thing. You pick the setup of the party and you can flip modes mid battle to have different special abilities within your party, some set up for offence (Relentless Attack) others are more defensive with medical options to heal your party etc.

Some of the bosses look absolutely spectacular and the boss battle music! Just wow! Loving it so far.

marcallo
03-14-2010, 09:20 AM
I've got a ton of games to trade in and that 50% is looking nice maybe I'll get this and umm.... soul silver today. :D

MikeRox
03-14-2010, 12:21 PM
If you like story driven games you'll love it. If you're more after intense action I'd look elsewhere. :)

kamspy
03-14-2010, 12:30 PM
1. I want to try this game out after seeing it with my own eyes at my buddies house (the 576p of the 360 version does burn). Battle system looked halfway competent and overall it caught my eye. Too bad there's so much coming out next week and following. It is on top of my backlog/to-buy list now though.


2. People with Bioshock 2 on their backlogs. Take it off and forget it exists. It's better that way. Game is so bad it will tarnish the way you think about the first.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 12:32 PM
Fuck, how much is Gamestop giving for Mass Effect 2? The wife just might have to start over with a kbm.

KEEBS1984
03-14-2010, 12:34 PM
2. People with Bioshock 2 on their backlogs. Take it off and forget it exists. It's better that way. Game is so bad it will tarnish the way you think about the first.

:confused:

I just beat BioShock 2. It wasn't bad by any stretch. The story, charactes, acting, graphics... everything as good as the first in my opinion. The only difference being that the world wasn't new so that initial wonderment isnt there that the first game had. :what:

Still fun though.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 12:52 PM
Didn't jive for me. Too much rinse and repeat.

Go to new level. Find little sister. Find body. Harvest adam. Find body. Harvest adam. Drop sister in pipe. Do again 3 times. Fight big sister. Take train to next level. Repeat.


There! I've written a strategy guide for the entire game that could fit in a tweet.

marcallo
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
I agree with Kamspy about Bioshock 2. I got a huge amount of trade for Batman:AA and MW2 today, enough so that I got FFXIII the strategy guide, and have 7 dollars in store credit remaining. I also traded in 2 DS games but they were like 14 bucks for the two.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 02:29 PM
Dammit Marcallo! My wife is heading to the strip mall with our Gamestop in about an hour.:banghead:

You're not making this easy on me! I've already got to play GOWIII, Perfect Dark HD and Metro 2033 next week! :eyecrazy


Doesn't help that the Cavs game I'm watching is "brought to you by Final Fantasy XIII" and has a commercial during every break. :/


Probably gonna own it in a couple hours. Getting the 360 version. High definition hurts my eyes, and compressed audio is better for the environment.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaand she just picked it up.

If I end up liking this game I'll have so much crow to eat.

*please suck please suck please suck please suck*

kamspy
03-14-2010, 03:49 PM
check out this mod power abuse.

I'm gonna sticky this thread because I bought the game.

lol

marcallo
03-14-2010, 05:30 PM
I couldn't bring myself to buy the 360 version even for the achievements. I'm cool with using a Duel Shock so for me it's a no brainer since I have access to both consoles.

eiger
03-14-2010, 06:21 PM
I've talked to people that say the PS3 version is "better" because of it isn't spread across multiple discs, but I've also talked to people that think the 360 version still looks pretty awesome.

For those of us with larger screens, it may start to be noticable.

Kam, let us know when you pick it up what you think. As I said - I'm on the fence. Big time. Unfortunately my Blockbuster doesn't really stock RPGs so rental isn't an option.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 07:37 PM
Well, for one I was being sarcastic about buying the 360 version.:p
The 576p res does show up on good sized HDTVs. My buddy only has a 360, and it looks kinda how Ghostbusters did on PS3. Just, low-res upscaled.

Cutscenes are awesome. In game graphics are a little janky but I dig the settings and most of the art direction. Music, I don't know. Part of my hates it with passion and part of my is humming it while I piss. I can say I don't like the mix. You can't change it, but it sounds like SFX - 100, voice over - 80, background music - 40. I don't know. Just mixed really weird.

I'm not far enough in to comment on the Battle System, but I like what I've played of it. For what it's worth, I had to make myself turn it off to watch Reggie Miller vs The New York Knicks on ESPN's 30 for 30. So right now it's not at all a chore to play yet (which Heavy Rain and Bio2 really ended up being), and I look forward to playing more.

I can say that a game with: me, Vanille and an M rating....GOTY

marcallo
03-14-2010, 09:21 PM
Vanille is like 15?... Just saying. I got about 2.5 hours in which is far enough along to start getting your paradigms. That crysalis system is a bit screwy. I need to read the strategy guide a bit to figure out how that thing works. It says you can select the direction that powers grow in but when I tried to tell it to go one way it started growing the other. Not sure if I'm tired or it's just screwy.

I think FFXII had the best "dumbed down" battle system. This one is so far TOO easy. I literally played the first two hours only hitting X. The story is interesting. IF you read all the journal entries it gives you. I didn't know what the fuck was going on before I read the background stuff in the datapad.

kamspy
03-14-2010, 09:52 PM
Vanille is like 15?...

Yeah. I blame Square. She's by far the best loli-bait Square has ever rendered. This is coming from someone who despises loli-bait and thinks it's vile.

I might have to order a body pillow with Vanille on it.

Sorry guys. I'm creeping myself out too.:(

kamspy
03-14-2010, 09:58 PM
about the story:


Like every Final Fantasy game, the story is metaphorically about:

*the rise of Christianity and the negative impact it has on the working class/poors

*pubescent angst

*capitalism vs. socialism

*"are the soldiers as much to blame as the generals for war?"

*loli-bait

*blacksploitation


So far without dipping into the codex or the novella that was released as 'prerequisite reading for FFXIII', you can piece the story together as long as you paste in within the borders established by the thematic pillars listed above.

katana13
03-15-2010, 12:26 AM
I have to say i was a little disappointed with the storyline, so similar to number 7... looking forward to god of war 3 more now!

marcallo
03-15-2010, 06:18 AM
Yeah the blacksploitation in this one is pretty blatant. My wife was like "Maybe they should give him some fried chicken... no wait, there's basically a chicken in his hair"

I kind of like that the "main character" at least I think Snow is the main character, is sort of masculine. Like you can look at him and go "oh that's a dude". Hope on the other hand I want to push into the nearest turbine.

marcallo
03-15-2010, 07:39 AM
ROFL Penny-arcade.com almost always gets the joke right.

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/807260572_n6CMU-L.jpg

Mase
03-15-2010, 09:42 AM
I've talked to people that say the PS3 version is "better" because of it isn't spread across multiple discs, but I've also talked to people that think the 360 version still looks pretty awesome.


I believe the lens of truth stated that in game the graphics run almost identicle, its in the cut scenes either pre rendered or in game engine cut scenes is where the PS3 shines.

Although if I ever do play this game, it will most likely be on the PS3, but I am not a fan of FF games and dont feel like spending 40 hours to run through this game.. Its getting some pretty good user reviews though, so perhaps I will check it out this summer.

MikeRox
03-15-2010, 12:31 PM
Vanille is like 15?... Just saying. I got about 2.5 hours in which is far enough along to start getting your paradigms. That crysalis system is a bit screwy. I need to read the strategy guide a bit to figure out how that thing works. It says you can select the direction that powers grow in but when I tried to tell it to go one way it started growing the other. Not sure if I'm tired or it's just screwy.

I think FFXII had the best "dumbed down" battle system. This one is so far TOO easy. I literally played the first two hours only hitting X. The story is interesting. IF you read all the journal entries it gives you. I didn't know what the fuck was going on before I read the background stuff in the datapad.

I found the same with the Crysalis system, then realised that the powerups I was trying to direct it to, I already had, which is why I couldn't get it to go for them. I've got it sussed now and no problems.

The early parts really do have ridiculous mash X battles. It does pick up though. Some people I know have now finished it and say it truly comes into it's own in the last 5-10 hours.

marcallo
03-15-2010, 12:45 PM
I hate that that is "okAY" to say I need to play a game for 30 hours so that the last 10 hours are AWESOME. That would be like if Uncharted 2 had some really crappy gameplay for like 20 hours or so and then you got to play the actual game. I'd rather just play the really good 10 hours. 3 hours of tutorial seems a bit much.


Also... back to the Vanille (vah-neel) being 15.. they put her L'Cie tattoo on her upper thigh. They really do want guys drooling over a 15 year old. Not sure if that's a spoiler, but I think it's pretty obvious that you are going to become a L'cie.

MikeRox
03-15-2010, 01:46 PM
It's not crappy at the start though. It's just incredible at the end :p The only J-RPG I can think of that didn't take a couple of hours to truly get going, is Chrono Trigger. Even FFVII took a few hours to get going, just like FFXIII, the cinematics etc were so engrossing you didn't care.

kamspy
03-16-2010, 11:12 PM
Game gets better and better. Probably gonna end up my favorite Final Fantasy.

Very tasty crow btw.

eiger
03-17-2010, 09:26 AM
Game gets better and better. Probably gonna end up my favorite Final Fantasy.

Very tasty crow btw.

Damn it , Kam. You are new to the franchise right?

I was proud of myself being at Gamecrazy last night and was able to succesfully walk out of the store without getting the game and guide. I've never been on the fence more about a 60.00 purchase.

I came home and played Eternal Sonata to calm my nerves.

kamspy
03-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Nah, I've played almost all the Final Fantasy games. This one might be my favorite.

KEEBS1984
03-17-2010, 01:54 PM
Nah, I've played almost all the Final Fantasy games. This one might be my favorite.

There has yet to be an FF game that tops VI.... IX came close, but still not enough.

kamspy
03-17-2010, 02:03 PM
There has yet to be an FF game that tops VI.... IX came close, but still not enough.

Yeah but I'm a graphics horse.

MikeRox
03-17-2010, 02:45 PM
There has yet to be an FF game that tops VI.... IX came close, but still not enough.

I prefer XIII to any of the PS1 Final Fantasys, TRUFAX! Though I do think the setting of FFVII was better, the game itself is not.

Agree on VI though, corker of a game, only RPG Square put out that was better IMO was Chrono Trigger.

EddieDZ
03-17-2010, 05:10 PM
i went and picked up FFXIII :) ... in about 5hrs so far, im in the crystal lake, so far so good, the battle system i thought was easy to start with but now they introduced the paradigm and im just like WTF? i still dont get the hang of it... i died like 5 times at the first "true boss" in the crystal lake, i could not beat that guy for nothing!... finally i started to see a pattern and thats how i beat him.. but still....

kamspy
03-17-2010, 05:13 PM
You have to learn to use that paradigm shift. That's the entire game. Use it often. Ravagers build your stagger meter. Medics heal. Synergists buff your party. Saboteurs debuff enemy parties. Sentinals have high aggro and high def so they are good to distract enemies away from weaker party members. etc.

Also, stagger is everything. Stagger enemies as fast as you can. This isn't a turn based system you can play relaxed. Don't be fooled. You'll be pressing as many buttons during a fight as you would with devil may cry.

marcallo
03-17-2010, 05:33 PM
I like the game A LOT better now that I have access to all the jobs and use of paradigms. Of course as soon as I have all that cool stuff they drop me down to 2 characters. The game is pretty good though. VERY linear, but I've yet to see ar eason to grind crystalis points. That and I have the guide book and while I won't use it to spoil anything it tells you the "best" way to level characters up for most use. So I won't waste any points. :D

kamspy
03-17-2010, 05:45 PM
Well throw those prime leveling paths in a spoiler tag and save me the $15 marcallo.

junehhan
03-17-2010, 07:10 PM
Out of curiosity, has anyone heard whether there will be a PC port of FFXIII? I did a quick search and it appears that there are no plans although some of you guys are better at keeping up with this type of news than I am. I am just curious, as I really have no plans on purchase this game somewhat due to me having such a heavy backlog of games that I still need to beat.

EddieDZ
03-17-2010, 08:25 PM
You have to learn to use that paradigm shift. That's the entire game. Use it often. Ravagers build your stagger meter. Medics heal. Synergists buff your party. Saboteurs debuff enemy parties. Sentinals have high aggro and high def so they are good to distract enemies away from weaker party members. etc.

Also, stagger is everything. Stagger enemies as fast as you can. This isn't a turn based system you can play relaxed. Don't be fooled. You'll be pressing as many buttons during a fight as you would with devil may cry.

yea tell me about it! itotally gotta learn to use it, plus you can generate and customize these paradigms too on top of that!.. damn. and i do agree with having to press many buttons, i find myself doing that alot tooo!, i have my ATB set to slow inthe settings cause the battle system is just too fast for my taste (and im not that use to it yet).

i wish the game had a option for fixed camera, i dont like the free roaming camera.

eiger
03-17-2010, 10:06 PM
So I need someone to tell me what "linear" means in regards to FFXIII. Super Mario Bros on the NES is "linear". :D

Most of my experiene with RPGs have been Mass Effect and Fallout for western RPGs. Lost Odyssey, Tales of V, and Eternal Sonata for the jap stuff. How does it compare to those?

Are there any towns, people to talk to, or places to go outside of the "one long corridor" that people are freaking me out about?

EddieDZ
03-17-2010, 10:26 PM
so far im 5hrs into it and its all been "one longggg corridor" pretty much LoL.. with the save points here and there, and at the save points is where you do your "shopping"....

i do like how your partys HP restores itself after each battle.

kamspy
03-17-2010, 11:00 PM
The "one long corridor" is freaking beautiful in art design and graphical execution, and you don't fuck around collecting chickens for the village idiot between saving the world. It's not really so much of a corridor either. There are branching paths and the environments are all stunning (aside from the first one).

Reminds me of FFX but a lot better in every regard.

I like the pacing. There are plenty of other traditional RPGs I could get my "village errand boy" fix with, but FFXIII is not one of them. For me, I like the variety it offers. It's fresh. Very fresh. You only work on story missions. When you think about it, 40hrs of pure story missions is pretty impressive. You could run through ME2 is less than 5 hours if you were inclined.

kamspy
03-17-2010, 11:01 PM
The first 1-3 hours could scare the shit out of you with the corridor bit though.:p It's a coincidence because that just happens to be the settings. It's a subway of sorts. That's probably where the "corridors" thing started.

You'll get your chocobo ride in the open plains.

Troy77
03-18-2010, 06:05 AM
So I need someone to tell me what "linear" means in regards to FFXIII. Super Mario Bros on the NES is "linear". :D

Most of my experiene with RPGs have been Mass Effect and Fallout for western RPGs. Lost Odyssey, Tales of V, and Eternal Sonata for the jap stuff. How does it compare to those?

Are there any towns, people to talk to, or places to go outside of the "one long corridor" that people are freaking me out about?


Linear means you dont have a choice on where to go. The story moves on and you move on with it. There is no exploring. Well not as of yet and im almost at the end of disk 2. (360)

IMO, they need to go back to turn based fights and let you play the game more. Dont get me wrong. I like FF13 but it is like watching a movie with a couple interactive scenes. (5 min cut scene, then one fight then back to a 5-7 min cut scene) Thats pretty much the game.

Long live FFVII

awol
03-18-2010, 09:36 AM
i do like how your partys HP restores itself after each battle.

LOVE LOVE LOVE this aspect!!

I don't know how many times I would be playing a former game, finish a battle, forget to heal, get killed.

I for one, was very concerned about the direction of this game. Like Keebs, VI is actually my favorite in the series. And while this one does remind me of VII stylistically And who here didn't think the Pulse Fal'Cie looked like Genova????"

But while the game is linear, it's no more so than the beginning of FFVII, ALL of X, and I think even XII had some elements of "go straight down this path".

So far, I'm really liking it. But a few quips – I'm not a fan of the music (where's my victory music?????) and the leveling system is quirky, but is quick so it doesn't feel like you're really "grinding". I'm torn on the battle system now. I love that it's so fast, but at the same time, there's almost too much shit going on. I don't have time to actually focus on the on screen action because I'm too busy watching the ATB fill up, knowing to queue up the next move.

kamspy
03-18-2010, 10:28 AM
Speaking of the leveling system, I can never get the thing to go the direction I want it to on Sphere Grid errrr Crystag....fuck it... SPHERE GRID.


How do you steer that little thing effectively?

MikeRox
03-18-2010, 12:06 PM
You push the direction you want to go in then spend your points. Make sure you don't already have that ability/power though (can tell by the trail being white, if it's white you already have it) that was what threw me off for a while.

Glad to see this game getting some more love, I was beginning to worry about this forum.

marcallo
03-18-2010, 12:21 PM
I don't mind the linear aspect at all. I'm enjoying the game a lot. I'm less than 10 hours in because I don't have that much time to play. I do wish I'd have 3 members to my party more often. Constantly using two different characters and getting used to their paradigms is tough.

As to the Crysta... Job Sphere thing it's basically all clockwise till you hit a fork or go up. Most of the branches I've ignored and I'll go back to them later when I have extra points. Unless it's an ability. Apparently you should grab as many abilities as you can and ignore the rest of the stuff at first.

I also haven't upgraded any weapons yet. I'm waiting till I find better weapons. The strategy guide even says to do that if you want to avoid grinding later on. Which I definitely want to avoid.

EddieDZ
03-18-2010, 01:11 PM
when you reach a "node" and it has more then one direction, press and hold X and then use the directional or left analog stick to point to the direction you want to go.. i have zero problem steering it. i do agree that i feel the characters feel like they "lvl up" faster then older FF games... i think its cause theres no actual "leveling" in the game, its soo much like FFX.

EddieDZ
03-18-2010, 01:13 PM
marcallo, dude you gotta point out some pointers to us players that dont have the guide!.. c'mon!. i just leveled up all my weapons that my characters are currently using to lvl 2...

eiger
03-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I also haven't upgraded any weapons yet. I'm waiting till I find better weapons. The strategy guide even says to do that if you want to avoid grinding later on. Which I definitely want to avoid.

marcallo, dude you gotta point out some pointers to us players that dont have the guide!.. c'mon!. i just leveled up all my weapons that my characters are currently using to lvl 2...

Here is a thread on someone asking about when to upgrade weapons.
http://forums.xbox.com/31738295/ShowPost.aspx

"I began upgrading in chapter 9
Farmed incentive chips for a few hours and got my main party weapons up to max level on their transformed weapon
But if you have a handful of level 10+ weapons and someone with a level 30 or something you'll be fine
The fights may be harder but the game bases the target time off whatever any character's highest stat is
So bad gear = higher target time
But you'll have a tough time in the game if you go through without farming a little bit, like spend an hour in Taejin's Tower on chapter 11 after beating the boss at the top and you'll be golden through the rest of the game "

marcallo
03-18-2010, 04:23 PM
I got news for you, that forum link might explain it better than the guide. The guide requires a little bit of a math degree to understand the "best" way to do things. I really wish it would just say "do this, then spend this, step 4 profit".

TwoPlusTwo
03-18-2010, 10:07 PM
The more I play FF13, the more I am gathering up the courage to make a pretty controversial statement:

I think that it actually might be the best in the series! :eek:

There were some greats ones before (4, 7, 9, 10, AND 12), but 13 is giving me the most satisfying gameplay experience...

"No MP" is a revolution in RPG design, especially in this type of game. "Healing after every battle..." I agree with other posters about that - it's brilliant. Also, the Crystarium is the best leveling system ever IMHO.

Non-active party members getting CP (aka exp) even when not active...that's just great. Oh, and the mechanic of "juggling" staggered enemies is superb. :D

Oh, and this:

I got news for you, that forum link might explain it better than the guide. The guide requires a little bit of a math degree to understand the "best" way to do things. I really wish it would just say "do this, then spend this, step 4 profit".

That's one of my favorite things, but it should be noted that I am a Mathematics Professor. :p Lol.

eiger
03-18-2010, 11:37 PM
I got news for you, that forum link might explain it better than the guide. The guide requires a little bit of a math degree to understand the "best" way to do things. I really wish it would just say "do this, then spend this, step 4 profit".

Sweet. Hope it was helpful. It was by dumb luck I stumbled upon it.

kamspy
03-19-2010, 02:48 AM
The more I play FF13, the more I am gathering up the courage to make a pretty controversial statement:

I think that it actually might be the best in the series! :eek:



I'm inclined to agree more and more as I go on.

EddieDZ
03-19-2010, 07:58 PM
what the fuck does "farming" mean!?! i read that link and more then once players are referring to "farming" !?... whenever i upgrade accessories and/or weapons i use ANY components LoL...

kamspy
03-19-2010, 08:02 PM
farming is like grinding for loot instead of XP.

marcallo
03-19-2010, 08:15 PM
Basically you find a spot where a desirable item drops a lot. It's a form of power gaming. Or as I did earlier I wanted to maximize my characters crystarium points so I got to this area where you can change the weather around and kept resetting it from wet to dry and killing 3 fire elementals and 6 gremlins. 300 points in a few minutes per reset. Totally worth it, made the next boss fight almost trivial, in a phoenix down and most of my time spent med/com sort of way.

TwoPlusTwo
03-19-2010, 08:48 PM
farming is like grinding for loot instead of XP.

You can farm for CP also! There are several great CP farms.

There is one REALLY awesome one...you can literally rack up hundreds of thousands of CP in practically no time here. If you farm in this spot long enough, you will reach the 999,999 unspent CP limit and have to actually go to the crystarium! :p

The only catch is...if you do "something" (trying to be spoiler-free), this CP farming spot no longer works.

If anybody wants to know the spot, and what NOT to do to make it work, PM me. (I am not gonna post it because it *kinda* involves spoilers).

I know of some other good CP farms as well, if anybody cares...

kamspy
03-19-2010, 09:13 PM
btw, welcome to the forum TwoPlusTwo.

TwoPlusTwo
03-19-2010, 11:09 PM
btw, welcome to the forum TwoPlusTwo.


Thanks, kamspy. :D

You guys have proved pretty helpful...I am *this* close to buying a 42" plasma that was recommended by forum members here. :)

eiger
03-20-2010, 05:11 AM
Farming, depending on how it's done is actually a fairly controversal practice in the MMORPG space. Mostly because of the monetary system and the fact other players are involved.

Some people camp out dungeons, or other areas with buddies for rare drops that don't appear often.
People even go as far as writing macros or some such garbage to automate the process with their toon while staying logged in to rack up gold or whatever the currency is which prevents other people from getting items.

It's fairly loserish, but clever.

EddieDZ
03-20-2010, 08:07 AM
well i know with player other RPG's i use to do this alot, just never knew it was called "farming" LoL.. i thought it was more like camping out in one area over and over and over.

however! how does one do this in FFXIII!!! i cant figure it out. there arent random enemies, once i start a area i go straight through it defeating EVERY enemy in the entire area!! but once thats done... well..... its done, the enemies dont "respawn" or nothing like that......i would love to do this, i just started in a area that looks like a forest, forgot what its called, but im playing with vanille and sazh only and the enemies are super easy but i would like to take advantage of that and kill a few more enemies...... i need gil really bad! i have like 3000 and since starting the game i have not had more then 6500 at any given time :(

awol
03-20-2010, 08:47 AM
however! how does one do this in FFXIII!!! i cant figure it out. there arent random enemies, once i start a area i go straight through it defeating EVERY enemy in the entire area!! but once thats done... well..... its done, the enemies dont "respawn" or nothing like that......

Sure they do... or at least I've seen instances where they do. :what:

MikeRox
03-20-2010, 08:53 AM
VG Chartz have put 1st week sales of FFXIII at over 1.6m (not inc the Japanese sales from last year) so it's off to a good start.

PS3 - 1.03m
360 - 640,000

Including the Japanese sales last year the game has sold about 3.5m to date. 1.6m+ Week 1 Western sales for a J-RPG is very very strong. It's already ahead of Mass Effect 2 Worldwide excluding Japanese sales so maybe the J-RPG isn't as dead as some thought.

So PS3 version is currently the more popular of the two as was expected. Hopefully this bodes well for FFXV being released this gen :D

Playing it more now and the game is just getting better and better for me, easily the best FF game in over a decade and best J-RPG this gen IMO.

marcallo
03-20-2010, 11:17 AM
Eddie the monsters re spawn quite easily, just walk from save point to save point by the time you get back they return. In the strategy guide it shows specific spots to do this. I think chapter 9 is considered the "best" spot to spend a few hours because of the digital chips that drop from relatively easy PSICOM guys.

EddieDZ
03-20-2010, 12:37 PM
ooh ok, i get ya. go from one save point and then reach the next one then turn around and go back to the first save point and so on and so forth.. i never tried that, i would only go "x" amount of distance and all the enemies were already done, that was one of the first things i notice, i said to myself wow that means i cant lvl up the way i use to ... thnx for the tip. that guide seems more worth it to buy then anything. isnt it crazy expensive like $29.99?

marcallo
03-20-2010, 03:08 PM
Yeah it's 25 bucks, but I got a sweet gamestop deal with my edge card and a couple trade ins that made the game and the book like 77 bucks including tax. Buying it without the game it's a bit expensive.

kamspy
03-20-2010, 05:21 PM
best FF game in over a decade and the only J-RPG this gen IMO.

fixed.

eiger
03-20-2010, 05:40 PM
I shouldn't come to this thread anymore.

I will just cave one afternoon. Must... finish... Eternal Sonata... first.

MikeRox
03-20-2010, 05:43 PM
Eternal Sonata fizzles out... trade it towards FFXIII ;)

EddieDZ
03-20-2010, 06:05 PM
i love the demo for eternal sonata, too bad the game was discontinued early and its practically impossible to find now-a-days. i gave up searching for it after trying for about 4 months (excluding amazon.com of course but i dont buy online)

im really considering getting the guide for FFXIII...

eiger
03-20-2010, 06:20 PM
Eternal Sonata fizzles out... trade it towards FFXIII ;)

I'm at the 32hr mark, or 2/3 of the way through the guide.

Might be able to wrap it up this weekend. Doubtful tho.

ragemaster68
03-21-2010, 06:48 AM
I'm at the 32hr mark, or 2/3 of the way through the guide.

I can only imagine how awesome it would look playing that on a projector.

Sigh.. if only i had the space for one.. :lol:

I'm still only about 2 hours into it, even though i bought it the day it came out. Stupid work.. :lol:

MikeRox
03-21-2010, 07:23 AM
i love the demo for eternal sonata, too bad the game was discontinued early and its practically impossible to find now-a-days. i gave up searching for it after trying for about 4 months (excluding amazon.com of course but i dont buy online)

im really considering getting the guide for FFXIII...

You need to start buying online then, Eternal Sonata can be found quite easily online at least in Europe and the PS3 is region free for gaming so you could always look overseas.

marcallo
03-21-2010, 07:56 AM
So back on Topic, I'm in chapter 8 of FFXIII and I still only get to control two characters!!!! It's a damn fun game though. Those sniper/bike combos are ridiculous. First time I had to use my Eidolon to beat a battle.

MikeRox
03-21-2010, 08:51 AM
Is it me or is the battle system pure genius and the most intense battles a J-RPG has ever had?

awol
03-21-2010, 09:20 AM
I shouldn't come to this thread anymore.

I will just cave one afternoon. Must... finish... Eternal Sonata... first.

No... you really mustn't. I don't think I've ever been let down by a game's ending as much as I was with ES. Ever.

Like, really, ever.

eiger
03-21-2010, 10:59 AM
No... you really mustn't. I don't think I've ever been let down by a game's ending as much as I was with ES. Ever.

Like, really, ever.

:eek:
I can only imagine how awesome it would look playing that on a projector.


Yah, it looks pretty awesome in those open fields. Colors, animations, cutscenes are fantastic

EddieDZ
03-21-2010, 12:25 PM
im in chapter 8 i believe.. palumpolum or something like that. its annoying going so many hours and only using 2 characters at a time... i dont mind the battle system but its getting to a point for me where its becoming annoying... after each turn i have to do a stupid paradigm shift and then when that turn is done...back to another paradigm shift.. then another and another and another... its less of a battle system and more of just shifting "classes"... very annoying most of the time. sometimes i get in battles were the enemies are strong (almost all battles) and i can attack the first then but then my hp is like already down to yellow so i switch to med/whatever.. get my hp back up and then switch back to com or rav/whatever else.. and attack but then right back down to yellow hp so i then need to switch again... so far i find it the most annoying battle system when comparing to the other FF titles. FFX battle system is still my favorite, i also didnt mind X-2 system in which XIII is almost like it except in X-2 the entire party didnt change classes at once, it was a "per character" type of thing, but essentially the same exact thing, mages, whitemages, warriors.. etc.. im also not crazy about the fact that you dont get gil... EVER!! instead you have to sell components and shit to get gil.. on top of that i really like getting new weapons and this one is not for that, you basically just upgrade it, though i do think it changes in shape and design as you upgrade your weapon or i might be wrong about that?.

so i ended up buying the guide today... stupid ebgames had it for $29.99 but no one where else in my city had it! futureshop, walmart, zellers, and the other ebgames were all sold out..

MikeRox
03-21-2010, 01:17 PM
Aye the hardback version of the Guides have vanished here now too, can still get the regular one fairly easy though.

marcallo
03-21-2010, 02:04 PM
I didn't even know there was a hard back design. Eddie I'm slightly past where you are and I'm THRILLED the battles are becoming harder. So far the hardest fight I've faced was 3 sniper assault guys and a motorcycle. I had to use an Eidolon to beat it.

On the flip side I like the combat system. It's pretty cool how it started off all "wow this is lame easy" and now I really need to plan ahead and think about what I'm doing to start a fight. Generally I start out with buffs/debuffs, then switch to sent/med to heal up if I have to, and then go Com/Rav or Rav/Rav depending on who I have available.

It's a great system, are you using the Crystarium enough? Also if you've already upgraded your weapons a good bit fights are going to be harder. I know that's counter intuitive, but it bases your rewards on your gear and how fast you beat the battle. The better your weapons the quicker it wants you to beat it.

So the guide tells you to hold off on upgrading until you have all three character slots available and can really put the hurt on.

kamspy
03-21-2010, 02:05 PM
Bout to hop on right now. Anyone wanna squad up with me and pwn some cactus guys? Freakin cactus guys are n00bs.

EddieDZ
03-21-2010, 05:19 PM
I didn't even know there was a hard back design. Eddie I'm slightly past where you are and I'm THRILLED the battles are becoming harder. So far the hardest fight I've faced was 3 sniper assault guys and a motorcycle. I had to use an Eidolon to beat it.

On the flip side I like the combat system. It's pretty cool how it started off all "wow this is lame easy" and now I really need to plan ahead and think about what I'm doing to start a fight. Generally I start out with buffs/debuffs, then switch to sent/med to heal up if I have to, and then go Com/Rav or Rav/Rav depending on who I have available.

It's a great system, are you using the Crystarium enough? Also if you've already upgraded your weapons a good bit fights are going to be harder. I know that's counter intuitive, but it bases your rewards on your gear and how fast you beat the battle. The better your weapons the quicker it wants you to beat it.

So the guide tells you to hold off on upgrading until you have all three character slots available and can really put the hurt on.

i didnt read that part of the guide yet. its a huge book!!! i only upgraded some accessories to lvl 3 and so far my weapons are lvl 4 and 5 i think. i dont feel thats overly high or anything. i use the crystarium alot. i usually let the characters gather about 2k-3k cp. i need to work around with setting up my paradigms.. i think the default i have is like com/rav. it still really dislike the whole "going for so long with just you members at a time" i feel its such a disadvantage and its frustratingly tough sometimes.

EddieDZ
03-21-2010, 11:48 PM
dude..this guide is insane.. its very well design and put together!. some things are so overly completed though like the weapons upgrade section.. man i had to re-read that several times to understand it fully...

marcallo
03-22-2010, 07:47 AM
Yeah it's easily one of the best guides I've ever seen for a game like this. Blows anything by Prima out of the water. I never really buy guides though, I think the last one I bought was for FFXII.

awol
03-22-2010, 08:23 AM
Eddie... Here's a simple idea to maybe help with the paradigm shifts. I "think" I figured it out last night.

Different paradigms affect the Chain Bonus in different ways. For example, right now, I have Lightning and Hope. Their first paradigm builds up the Chain Bonus very slowly (I think it's Commando/Ravager), but it also drains very slowly. Their last paradigm (Ravager/Ravager) builds up the chain bonus very quickly, but it also drains very quickly. So what I started doing was running one attack string with the first paradigm, then switching to the last one. what happens is it will cause the two to combine as far as the Chain Bonus is concerned. The first paradigm sets the stage for it to drain slowly, but the switching to the last one let's it fill quickly, while slowly draining. It's much quicker to get them to stagger.

If someone else can confirm this, that would be great. Otherwise, it's what's working for me now.

marcallo
03-22-2010, 09:16 AM
100% correct Awol, fill the bar halfway and then switch to rav/rav for a quick stagger assuming the monster doesn't have the stat "slow chain fill" or whatever it is.

EddieDZ
03-22-2010, 12:09 PM
yea after reading more on the guide and what not im understanding the shift stuff now. i also fully understand the weapons and accessories upgrading.. almost tips in the book!!!!!!!. though they say to wait until later on in the game, being that im already 20+ hrs into the game and on chapter 8 i believe i feel thats good enough to begin upgrading often and thats what im doing. according to the guide im actually very well above the point where i should be too. for example in the guide at the point where im at in the game it tells me that lightnings HP should be around 680-750... dude my hp for her is over 1k LoL. i got all my accessories that i currently use at lvl 3 and weapons at lvl 3 except for lightnings gladius which is at lvl 6.

kamspy
03-22-2010, 02:34 PM
For those with guides, who should I focus my Medic job on? Hope or Vanille?

EddieDZ
03-22-2010, 03:45 PM
either or, both hope and vanilles magic are almost equal with hope having the slight lead however vanille has a slight lead in HP, so its sorta a toss up. as per the guide:

Hopes primary roles are (in order): Med, Rav & Syn
Vanilles primary roles are (in order): Med, Sab & Rav

vanille is a better secondary Rav because she lacks the -strike abilities and the ability to learn Thundaga, Waterga and Aeroga. vanille is the top dog for a Sab but she only lacks the slow and slow, fog and pain ability that Fang has, however vanille has the utmost deadly "Death spell" which even if it fails, does a massive amount of damage..

if your ever in a situation where you using both hope and vanille, you may want to have vanille be the med due to her slightly higher HP and have hope as the Rav.

... thats as per the guide, i just reword it :). im thinking of make a separate thread "Final Fantasy XIII general guide.. by eddie" LoL... just not sure if it'll benefit enough members on here.......

kamspy
03-22-2010, 03:59 PM
Hope really ends up a better Ravager? At the beginning of the game Vanille was actually one of my top dog fighters. Kinda still is.


Bah. I'm making Hope my medic boy. He doesn't look like much of a fighter anyway.

EddieDZ
03-22-2010, 06:02 PM
at first vanille is a good rav but very quickly hope surpasses her if you notice closely.. he ends up with slightly higher magic power and more spells. i'll do up a quick guide on a few things i feel are worth mentioning that are in the book.

kamspy
03-22-2010, 06:48 PM
Cool. I'm assuming I should tank Snow all the way with Sentinel. I've heard Fang is Commando.

Actually, can you just do a quick rundown of how you should level everyone?

junehhan
03-22-2010, 08:46 PM
For you guys with the Xbox 360 version of this game, how are the graphics and sound? I have heard that despite it being upscaled from a slightly lower resolution, that is still manages to look extremely impressive and sound impressive. I think I will break my ban on this game and get it along with the strategy guide at the first hint of a price drop. The Xbox 360 version is already being discounted on Amazon, so I wonder whether a price drop could be on the way by this coming holiday season, or hopefully by summer when there will be nothing else to play.

I would hope they would bring it to PC, but it doesn't look like the case.

kamspy
03-22-2010, 09:01 PM
As long as you never play the PS3 version you'll never know what you're missing.

The main thing being the cutscenes. They're 1080p AVC on the PS3. 360 is 576p in game and the cutscenes are 720p Bink Video.

Still, it's not enough to stop anyone from buying the game. It's really good. The graphics will still floor you in the cutscenes. If you're on a 768p TV the jaggy upscaling will be less apparent too. I say go for it if you want it. Square usually doesn't cut prices on FF games anytime soon. If Amazon is having a good sale hop on it.

marcallo
03-22-2010, 09:05 PM
And they also don't get ported to PC unless they are MMO's. If I only had a 360 I'd have gotten the 360 version. Given the option it's an obvious choice to go with the PS3.

junehhan
03-22-2010, 09:16 PM
As long as you never play the PS3 version you'll never know what you're missing.

The main thing being the cutscenes. They're 1080p AVC on the PS3. 360 is 576p in game and the cutscenes are 720p Bink Video.

Still, it's not enough to stop anyone from buying the game. It's really good. The graphics will still floor you in the cutscenes. If you're on a 768p TV the jaggy upscaling will be less apparent too. I say go for it if you want it. Square usually doesn't cut prices on FF games anytime soon. If Amazon is having a good sale hop on it.

They have the X360 version for $52 while the PS3 version is still $60. Right now, I have a huge backlog of games to finish that I don't have time for. I can only game 2 days a week. Right now, i've got Metro 2033, Crysis, Warhead, MLB 2k10, and Red Dead Redemption on backlog(when this game comes out, i'm buying). I also have Stalker Shadow of Cherynoble, but this game sucks as it isn't my style of FPS. If anyone wants this game cheap, let me know!

Either way, the bottom line is that there is no need to rush my purchase of this game. I have other games that need my attention and the X360 version could have gone to a 4th DVD disk like the JRPG that came out right after Blue Dragon that I can't think of the name. I actually purchased that from Best Buy but the 4th disk was scratched up. When I got to the Best Buy, we went through their entire inventory(me and the customer service rep opened up every copy they had in stock and the 4th disk was scratched up in all the copies there). As a result, I decided not to play that game. On the other hand, multiple reviews i'm seen talk about how the frame rates are more consistent in the X360 which I guess is a plus. I am one of those old 3DFX Voodoo loving people who always placed a priority on frame rates over image quality back when nVidia kicked their ass.

And they also don't get ported to PC unless they are MMO's. If I only had a 360 I'd have gotten the 360 version. Given the option it's an obvious choice to go with the PS3.

I actually have FFVII and FFVIII for the PC. It is in storage somewhere. I would hope that they would port FFXIII considering what a good gaming PC rig could do with that game.

EddieDZ
03-22-2010, 09:19 PM
Charater Development: the roles are from strongest to lowest

Lighting:
-primary roles : Com, Rav
-good Med backup
-avoid Sen, Sab, Syn

Sazh:
-primary roles are: Syn
-good Rav backup
-avoid Med, Com

Snow:
-primary roles: Sen, Com
-decent Rav backup
-avoid Syn, Sab, Med

Hope:
-primary roles: Med, Rav, Syn
-great Sab backup
-avoid Com, Sen

Vanille:
-primary roles: Sab, Med, Rav
-decen Syn backup
-avoid Com, Sen

Fang:
-primary roles: Com, Sen
-good Rav backup
-avoid Med, Syn

If you had to pick just one role for each Character it would break down to: "/" means equal

Lighting: Com/Rav
Sazh: Syn
Snow: Sen
Hope: Med/Rav/Syn
Vanille: Sab/Med
Fang: Comm/Sen

Hope has all the Syn abilities that sazh gets except hope has the higher magic. Fang has early Sab access to Slow. Vanille's Sab only lacks Fangs Sab abilities like Slow, Fog and pain however it makes up for it with Vanilles Death ability. Fang is a good backup for a Sen if snow is not around. Fang will have higher strenght then lighting so Fang is slightly more better as a Comm towards later in the game.

of all the players personally i find Sazh the least usefull.. he sucks as a med, com and is "so-so" as a Rav sen and Sab and his only strong point is his Syn but eventually hopes Syn abilities equal that to Sazh...

EddieDZ
03-22-2010, 09:48 PM
Now for some Weapons/Accessories upgrading tips :)

Use 36 Sturdy Bones or Barbed Tails or Vibrant Oozes to get a instand 3x bonus!. After you have the 3x bonus use mechanical componets to give you WHOPPING EXP points instantly. I lvl up my weapons and accessories in 2 blows. first get 3x instantly then i use Turbojet, usually 3 of them and i get almost 2K exp. so just remember Organic componets add very little EXP but they give you the multiplier bonus. mechanical components give you alot of EXP but reduce/lower your multiplier bonus. the key is to get to 3x right away first off the bat, then use (in one shot!) alot of a single type of mechanical component like Turbojet.

adamalexandru
03-23-2010, 12:43 AM
Final Fantasy XIII is a blockbuster in every sense, and upon its western release early next year is almost certain to earn itself that reputation as a system-seller.

eiger
03-23-2010, 09:49 AM
Final Fantasy XIII is a blockbuster in every sense, and upon its western release early next year is almost certain to earn itself that reputation as a system-seller.

Team Xbox would argue with you. Can't believe they gave it a 5.

I still haven't played the game yet, but pretty big difference from the the community, IGN and other folks.

marcallo
03-23-2010, 10:20 AM
You're arguing with a Spam Bot? Bored?

junehhan
03-23-2010, 11:55 AM
Team Xbox would argue with you. Can't believe they gave it a 5.

I still haven't played the game yet, but pretty big difference from the the community, IGN and other folks.

I believe that TXB's rating of 5 is indeed justified, but one must remember that it is also just one opinion. JRPG's are still a niche market with the exception of huge franchises like the FF series. Other than Blue Dragon, I havn't been a fan of any of the JRPG's that have been out since next gen consoles have been out. The reason I liked Blue Dragon so much is that it returned to the roots of what Ja-RPG's have traditionally been.

MikeRox
03-23-2010, 01:23 PM
I believe that TXB's rating of 5 is indeed justified, but one must remember that it is also just one opinion.

Imagine the outcry if Halo was given 5/10 by an outlet. If the reviewer doesn't like J-RPGs, he shouldn't be reviewing J-RPGs. As a J-RPG, FFXIII is about as good as it gets.

The low mark seems more either from somebody who doesn't like J-RPGs and so wasn't really the best choice of reviewer, or out of spite as the 360 ver isn't the best ver.

eck979
03-23-2010, 02:23 PM
Imagine the outcry if Halo was given 5/10 by an outlet. If the reviewer doesn't like J-RPGs, he shouldn't be reviewing J-RPGs. As a J-RPG, FFXIII is about as good as it gets.

The low mark seems more either from somebody who doesn't like J-RPGs and so wasn't really the best choice of reviewer, or out of spite as the 360 ver isn't the best ver.

Maybe it's the fact that random battles aren't there.. I know I'd never even borrow this game because of that. WTF is a JRPG or FF or whatever you want to call it w/out invisible enemies?
I dunno.. everything I've read about this game just turns me off completely.

eiger
03-23-2010, 02:29 PM
Maybe it's the fact that random battles aren't there.. I know I'd never even borrow this game because of that. WTF is a JRPG or FF or whatever you want to call it w/out invisible enemies?
I dunno.. everything I've read about this game just turns me off completely.

The fact that you equate random battles and invinsible enemies to a J-RPG is subjective and I think that's part of the overall problem here. Everyone (including reviewers) has a different notion of what should make one up and how to maintain a "traditional" JRPG flow. I don't even freakin remember the last time I hda a "random batttle". It appears that the FF team and SquareEnix decided to be bold and go off and try something new. For alot of folks in this thread, it seems to have paid off.

Just sayin' for some that a good J-RPG means Turn Based, Control of all charachters, and open world.

To others it meas deep story-line and 60-80hrs of gameplay.

eck979
03-23-2010, 02:46 PM
Just to put it into perspective, the ONLY RPG's I've ever played more than 5 mins of were Dragon Warrior on NES, FFIII on NES and FFVII on PC. And I never cared about the story, just finding my stuff, getting xp, and fighting bosses. I only talked to townspeople and shit when I needed something or to get somewhere and HAD to communicate w/ them to get it.

This just sounds so far removed from any of that.
Not saying this game is bad or anything just wanted to get another perspective on the reviews.

Anyways, I'll bow out now and let you guys enjoy discussing your game.

junehhan
03-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Imagine the outcry if Halo was given 5/10 by an outlet. If the reviewer doesn't like J-RPGs, he shouldn't be reviewing J-RPGs. As a J-RPG, FFXIII is about as good as it gets.

The low mark seems more either from somebody who doesn't like J-RPGs and so wasn't really the best choice of reviewer, or out of spite as the 360 ver isn't the best ver.

You should go and read that review, as the author gives very reasonable reasons as to why he gave FFXIII such a poor review. The only problem I had was that the reviewer's language was clearly not objective. BTW, Halo 3 was given a very poor review by at least one or two media outlets. I remember we had a huge debate here.

It is also my opinion based on all the FF releases after FFVII, that the FF series started losing their way.

awol
03-23-2010, 03:46 PM
Maybe it's the fact that random battles aren't there.. I know I'd never even borrow this game because of that. WTF is a JRPG or FF or whatever you want to call it w/out invisible enemies?
I dunno.. everything I've read about this game just turns me off completely.

Honestly, really, truly, it did me too. I was almost afraid to play it. But I've played every FF excluding the MMO. Even the original II and III that were not released until many years later. So I knew I would still play this one, even if it meant I would be trading it in two days later.

And I don't regret it one bit. And I also don't understand where reviewers are saying it took them 30+ hours to really get involved in the game. The story had me hooked at around hour 4. The combat system is, IMO, overly convoluted. But I like my RPGs to be a bit of a "calmer" experience. Fight, Fight, Steal, Heal, Fight, Win (insert traditional FF win music). But really, it's just that it's so strategic in design, you have to really pay attention to everything that's going on, and you really do have to plan ahead. I'm not saying it's bad, as I know a lot of people love the changes. I'm just not one of them, but it's not so bad to me that it's detracting from the overall experience.

And I really miss my traditional victory trumpet sounds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2Vb7CqTdc

MikeRox
03-23-2010, 03:51 PM
I did read the review, I feel (and it would appear I'm not the only one) that the PS3 version must actually be a completely different game as it's almost like the reviewer went out of his way to take issue with things and stick with it.

The story being disjointed... for the first hour, I agreed entirely. It's just a long corridor? Again early parts of the game yeah. However it's far more involved than a tutorial once you get beyond the 5 hour mark (which granted is still a long time for things to click but it's only proportionate to the first campaign level in your typical FPS etc.)

It's like the reviewer playd a couple of hours, decided he couldn't be arsed then claimed to have played 30+ hours on it before writing the review using what other people have told him to fill in the blanks.

Unless the 360 ver really is a different game with the same title, in which case fair enough.

MikeRox
03-23-2010, 03:56 PM
BTW, Halo 3 was given a very poor review by at least one or two media outlets. I remember we had a huge debate here.

It is also my opinion based on all the FF releases after FFVII, that the FF series started losing their way.

I can't say I ever saw a review below 8/10 for Halo 3 that I can recall.

As for the FF series, for me FFVI was the peak of the series and the SNES was the peak of J-RPGs (Chrono Trigger will never be defeated! :D and that didn't have random battles either)

However the FF games have really got a unique factor in that unlike most games where 95% of gamers agree with one the best of a series was. There are very large followings of fans for FFVI, FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX and FFXII (and now XIII) with different fans all claiming different ones as the pinnacle of the franchise. So while you've found them stuck on a downhill path, others have found them to only get better and better since the PS1 days.

Personally I think it was all over by the PS1 days :p FFXIII is the first FF game to really grab me since my dad imported VI from the US "back in the day".

eiger
03-24-2010, 07:04 PM
You sons of bitches.. I caved and picked this up on my way home from work tonight. Any tips or can I be fairly mindless and not have to make any difficult decisions for quite a while on my party?

EddieDZ
03-24-2010, 08:09 PM
its pretty straight forward.. im about 30hrs into it, chapter 9 on the Palamecia. no hard decisions on your party cause you dont edit your party until much further in the game, i still cant edit my party, you use basically whoever its assigned to you for the moment that your in.all you do is upgrades, buy/sell and lvl up your character via the crystarium.

marcallo
03-24-2010, 10:13 PM
I just got to chapter 11, it's a WHOLE NEW GAME. LOL A really good game though.

eiger
03-25-2010, 01:32 PM
I put in 2 hours last night. First impressions are this:

Amazing graphics, but christ this shit is sloooow.... There also doesn't seem to be much variance in the enemies I've run into. Run 2 feet, have a battle, get points. Wash, Rinse and Repeat. Same enemies again.Oh, and I have absolutely no idea if my character is really levelling up because it's not shown anywhere noticable.

And why is Snow fighting with his fists? Do all the weapons come later?

I want big spells, explosions, and weapons dammit!

And who created the god damn save stations? They are placed very bizarrely. Ok, done with my rants. I'm sure it gets better.

kamspy
03-25-2010, 03:27 PM
First few hours are horridly horrid. Persevere young man.

Soak up all that Vanille loli inuendo. Snow never get's a weapon I don't think. But that's fine with me.

TwoPlusTwo
03-25-2010, 03:40 PM
First few hours are horridly horrid. Persevere young man.


First few chapters are kinda like a preview to the actual game...and once you get to "play for real," it absolutely rocks!! :yippee:

marcallo
03-25-2010, 04:05 PM
Snow's weapons ARE his fists. But he gets different brass knuckle type things to wear throughout the game. Each character has a defined weapon. Sahz uses Guns, Vanille a hook staff, Hope a boomerang, Fang a spear, and Lightning a gun sword.

EddieDZ
03-25-2010, 06:04 PM
I put in 2 hours last night. First impressions are this:

Amazing graphics, but christ this shit is sloooow.... There also doesn't seem to be much variance in the enemies I've run into. Run 2 feet, have a battle, get points. Wash, Rinse and Repeat. Same enemies again.Oh, and I have absolutely no idea if my character is really levelling up because it's not shown anywhere noticable.

And why is Snow fighting with his fists? Do all the weapons come later?

I want big spells, explosions, and weapons dammit!

And who created the god damn save stations? They are placed very bizarrely. Ok, done with my rants. I'm sure it gets better.

Tifa from FFVII used her fist too as her weapon. in the first few chapters you will not notice nay "leveling" not until you unlock the crystarium which then after each battle you get CP points and you use the points towards the crystarium which is basically like a grid layout of your characters leveling progress. almost identical to FFX but better cause each character has different "classes/jobs".. you dont get any of this until at least a few hours into the game, i think its like 6hrs into the game?? maybe 8, i cant remember. im 31hrs into it chapter 9 :) and yes im enjoying it more and more! at first i too was like "uh...wtf" LoL. but it certainly gets better and from what i heard it gets wayyy better after the point of were im at now. and yes you do get weapons, you can sometimes find some (along with accessories) or just buy them at the "shop" at the save station. you can then upgrade your levels by given it certain items, lvling up the weapons basically makes it stronger. and i actually dont find nothing slow about the game, the battles at first might seem slow but trust me they turn into chaos later on. what helped me was setting my ATB battle time to "slow" in the settings.. this makes the battles even slower but i helped me grasp it better, now i have it set back to normal. if you find normal is still to slow then change it to "fast". you also encounter different enemies later but at first you fight against different class priscom soldiers..

eiger
03-26-2010, 07:02 PM
Ok, so I got my introduction into Paradigm shift and Crystarium. Holy moley.

The skill tree is pretty advanced. I have a bunch of CP points for each toon How have you guys been building out your Snow/Chocobo in the hair boy/Lightning in the skill tree so that they are well balanced? Any reccos?

I'm at my first semi difficult boss on chapter 3 where I have to quickly switch between paradigms (offense and defense) and it's fairly challenging to say the least. I keep getting my ass handed to me. Nothing like not really having time to sit and think about a strategy without hitting the pause button. LOL.

I have Assault and Solidarity I think. It's probably just hard because I'm not use to the system yet.

eiger
03-27-2010, 11:18 AM
Disregard my last post. I see that you guys have already discussed the best allocation of points for character development and the sweet guide that Eddie came up with.

Using that as a base and I'm at Chapter 4. Game is already improving.

cheapinjustice
03-27-2010, 11:24 AM
im on chapter nine

i love it the battle system is great and the story is kinda corney

but what jrpg story isnt

anyway over all they did a great job will go home tonight and put some hours into it

i have about thirty five hours in it so far i spent some time grinding so i could get my guys leveled up as much as i could in the palamecia

also level up every role thw whole way u get achievements for it and

that way every one is good enough to use in any role

EddieDZ
03-27-2010, 01:03 PM
chapter nine was a whopper, lots of strong enemies with crazy high HP's and what not, plus you can get a ton of CP. i only spent a little time farming in the palamecia however i never skip a battle so i fight every enemy in whatever area i encouter. the Lighting/Fang/Hope combo can be really deadly! i was hitting 5 star battle ranks every time!. once your introduced to "battle team" it opens up a whole new world!.. you go so long in the game with pre-defined battle formation that when finally after 30+hrs of gameplay they let you decide what leader and members to be.. i had to play around with this a bit, though i have the guide and it gives you really good suggestions on what members to use and what paradigms shifts to have for them, i decided to use my own!. so far im sticking with Lighting/Hope/Vanille... this is a DEADLY!!!! ravager combo since all 3 are great at ravagers!... i can stagger enemies in one single turn then switch to relentless assault. im also using Com/Sab/Syn and Com/Med/Med and the great "Salvation" of Med/Med/Med... you so cannot go wrong with this combo!. you have a great Com and Rav plus a Ok Med, then you have a outstanding Rav and Med plus Syn, and finally you have a great Sab and med and rav. the only thing lacking is a Sen which i wish we could have 4 battle team members instead hahaha. im using Gold Bangles on all 3 of these characters to give them a +250hp bonus. lightings Hp is over 1700 while Hopes and Vanilles are at 1500... i had no trouble battling Cid :). i just cant wait for Hope to learn the Faith and Bravery spells for syn. Sazh sucks overall for everything and hes only good as a Syn.. thats literally all hes good for. low magic, low strength, low hp...

i have everyones main role at max too, lvl 3. cant go any further until i progress more in the game i guess however the ability to learn all the roles for all members has opened up to me.. but serious its SOOO not worth it!!... takes like 6000cp per node for something as little as hp+10 for the other roles.. im sticking with the 3 default roles that all the member start out with, screw everything else. i also got Vanilles and Lightings Weapon to the intermediate lvl :).. while hope, fang and snows weapons at close to intermediate (e.g. lvl 18)

marcallo
03-27-2010, 01:18 PM
I'm told you shouldn't bother going past * for the main game and once you finish the game then you can go nuts with upgrades and such. Though I guess if you're willing to farm for 10 hours without beating the game you can go one shot Orphan with an ultimate weapon.

TwoPlusTwo
03-27-2010, 08:11 PM
The replay-value for this game is through the roof...I bought it on midnight launch night and I'm still playing it!! :eek:

marcallo
03-27-2010, 09:33 PM
I wouldn't call it Re-play value as there's no reason to ever start over. I'd call it "playability and length". Or something of that nature. Your point stands though.

EddieDZ
03-28-2010, 08:48 AM
I'm told you shouldn't bother going past * for the main game and once you finish the game then you can go nuts with upgrades and such. Though I guess if you're willing to farm for 10 hours without beating the game you can go one shot Orphan with an ultimate weapon.

the guide doesnt mention anything like that. it does state that it becomes very expensive to upgrade the intermediate lvl weapons because of the high exp they require and for example perfect/super conductors are great for it but are very expensive. they do state not to bother upgrading your weapons early in the game. i dont consider chapter 10 to be early in the game LoL. so i feel comfortable that i upgraded 2 weapons to intermediate :).

marcallo
03-28-2010, 09:23 AM
I didn't say the guide said it. I have some friends who are final fantasy power player nut jobs. But do what's best for you, no right way to go. I'm on a FFXIII break to play some other games currently.

Troy77
03-28-2010, 09:36 AM
The more I play FF13, the more I am gathering up the courage to make a pretty controversial statement:

I think that it actually might be the best in the series! :eek:


There were some greats ones before (4, 7, 9, 10, AND 12), but 13 is giving me the most satisfying gameplay experience...

"No MP" is a revolution in RPG design, especially in this type of game. "Healing after every battle..." I agree with other posters about that - it's brilliant. Also, the Crystarium is the best leveling system ever IMHO.

Non-active party members getting CP (aka exp) even when not active...that's just great. Oh, and the mechanic of "juggling" staggered enemies is superb. :D




Everything about the game makes it not fun. Healing after every fight makes you play each fight different not having to worry about consumables after the fight.

No MP takes away from the RPG feel. Not having to worry about MP or Healing makes it a kids game. They should have just called it Lego's FF13

Most satisfying game? Its like watching a movie. You dont really get to play that much and when you do it is not hard. You can push just one button from start of the game to the end and beat it with no problems. I play the game with one hand half asleep every morning. It bores me.

And ATB is the worst thing put into the FF series.

MikeRox
03-28-2010, 11:25 AM
Have you played beyond the first 10 minutes? o_O

Keeping an eye on health meters etc makes the battles extremely tense... do you go for the quick finish/stagger and risk dying? Or do you flip Paradigms and get your party healed/slow down the battle? blah blah. The battle engine is genius and the depth of offer in fights is staggering and perhaps overwhelming at times. Yes in the tutorial stages you just press X and watch the fight, but that changes soon enough.

marcallo
03-28-2010, 11:32 AM
It's more of an action/rpg than a pure RPG I'll agree with that. But that's where things are going these days. I'm cool with it. Didn't they say something like "having people standing still on these HD monitors looks weird, so we always want something going on." I'm sure that's a paraphrase but I read it in an interview somewhere.

Troy77
03-28-2010, 12:16 PM
Im on Chapter 10. So, yeah. I have more then 10 min put into it.

I think they have gone to far away from the FF feel. Just my :2cents

And switching paradigms mid battle takes away from strategy IMO.

Gives you to many in battle options that you never had in other FF games.

marcallo
03-28-2010, 12:20 PM
Chapter 11 changes everything. That said, you're complaining about having too many choices? By having those choices they're able to tune boss fights harder and around those choices. Meaning you have bosses that you have to harm physically and then at a certain stage switch to magic. I won't go into all the options, but I think it's neat. In FFX you could switch characters in and out at will depending on what was needed.

What I DON'T like is that summons have become near useless and hardly used. I almost never bring out my summons. And because they don't have a "summoning" character and tie the Eidolons to specific people the only ones your ever going to use are basically Shiva or Odin. Which is a shame because Alexandra looks fucking awesome.

MikeRox
03-28-2010, 02:13 PM
Im on Chapter 10. So, yeah. I have more then 10 min put into it.

I think they have gone to far away from the FF feel. Just my :2cents

And switching paradigms mid battle takes away from strategy IMO.

Gives you to many in battle options that you never had in other FF games.

I think every FF game has had a different feeling. FFXII also received a lot of mixed comments regarding it's battle engine direction. Some loved it, others like you for XIII feel it was too far removed from FF.

For me, FF has just always been one of the few franchises that guarantees a very epic plot and fantastic presentation. I think they're the hallmark of the franchise for me. I like the constant reinvention/different approaches that are made in delivering the actual game.

EddieDZ
03-28-2010, 04:35 PM
i have no problems with the battle system, i for one really enjoyed it! yea at very first i was like "uh...eh... hmm....huh?" but now its like "OH YEA! WHOA!"... im in chapter 11 and oh baby, Gran Pulse... wow!. its almost like two different games in one, the first part of the game is this basic type of thing that takes place in Cocoon. the second half is another game that takes place in gran pulse LoL

EddieDZ
03-29-2010, 01:06 PM
so has anyone beaten this game yet and/or who is at gran pulse?... this place is so huge and you get insane amount of CP!.. farming against that Behemonth King is STUPID EASY!... preemptive strick and bang instant stagger. im able to hit 999.99% stagger before it dies out using hope, lighting and fang and using Aggression paradigm(com,com,rav)... im doing INSANE damage to these gran pulse enemies.. havent tried those dinosaur looking things yet though hahaha but everything else im able to destroy without much trouble.

marcallo
03-29-2010, 01:21 PM
I got to gran pulse and took a break. However try and fight one of those dinosaur things, you'll be in for a real treat when it eats your whole party. :D

EddieDZ
03-29-2010, 05:12 PM
yea i wanted too try my hand at one of them but i notice theres more then one kind of them, some have bigger horns and what not... im sure my whole party will die with one hit. fangs hp is around 2800, lightnings hp is around 2500 and hope hp is around 2100.

voxware
04-01-2010, 11:48 AM
It is not a kids game when it comes to the no MP or healing/retry features.
Summons are probably the biggest disappointment, maybe a lack of limit breaks through there is stagger.
I hated the equipment system at first and the lack of gil (or variety of monsters to fight for gil) it got a bit better but really CP grinding is not an issue in this game so much as Gil grinding.
I invested about 85 hrs before completing it, I went for 6 ultimate weapons all around lvl 60 (Fang's taming pole maxed) before finishing. Completed the missions past the Titan Trials too.

EddieDZ
04-02-2010, 07:19 AM
It is not a kids game when it comes to the no MP or healing/retry features.
Summons are probably the biggest disappointment, maybe a lack of limit breaks through there is stagger.
I hated the equipment system at first and the lack of gil (or variety of monsters to fight for gil) it got a bit better but really CP grinding is not an issue in this game so much as Gil grinding.
I invested about 85 hrs before completing it, I went for 6 ultimate weapons all around lvl 60 (Fang's taming pole maxed) before finishing. Completed the missions past the Titan Trials too.

impressive.. i dont i will max any weapon out, im 45hrs into the game and im assuming i'll beat the game at around 60hrs maybe 65hrs, i'll eventually grow out of it and will move onto GoW3 or something... the only thing i dont like about the game is the no gil part too... its sooo hard to get gil..

eiger
04-02-2010, 02:10 PM
Chapter 6 and still trucking. Now that I've gotten use to Paradigm shifts (although having to switch ALOT) game is solid.

I hear there is a "fast" setting for the battle system, although all I really see in the menu is a slow and normal. Can anyone cofirm?

Also, where do I access these additional missions/trials? Are they later in the game? Thought I remembered seeing achievements for them.

marcallo
04-02-2010, 02:14 PM
Way later in the game. Starting at chapter 11, and best saved till after you beat the game.

marcallo
04-02-2010, 10:17 PM
:spam:

kevin1gamer
04-03-2010, 09:05 AM
This game is awesome.



p.s.
Why Team Xbox? It's also for PS3.

Longhart
04-04-2010, 07:23 AM
got this game and love it im a ff lover btw :)

eiger
04-11-2010, 08:02 PM
Hey Guys,

Quick question for those of you who are farther along or have completed the story already.

I'm at the start of Chapter 9. Is it time for me to start upgrading weapons? If so, who and what? Seems like the whole topic is out of control complicated, so just a cliff note version is fine.

Also, any good upcoming grinding spots to get CP?

EddieDZ
04-12-2010, 06:00 AM
if you havent started yet then now is a good time, you dont have to over do it but yea chapter 9 is a good starting spot. im on the 2nd version weapon for lighting, fang, hope and vanille. im almost to the max lvl for these weapons. then again im in chapter 13 in Orphans cradle so im pretty much at the end, im about to go back down to gran pulse to try a few missions out and get alittle more cp, i have my main 4 characters roles maxed out but i need a few more cp for some of the extra detour nodes that brand outwards and cost like twice as much cp for some reason lol.

oh also, dont waste gil, time or components in upgrading accessories, leave the accessories to the end, reason being is that along the way you end get finding/buying/acquiring better ones anyway! for example i was leveling up one of the HP+ accessories, i think it was a HP+150. i ended up getting it to HP+218, well guess what, i ended up finding HP+250 and then the store was stocking HP+250's, then stocking HP+300's.. etc. so dont waste anything on accessories until towards the end, i have HP+400's and hope has a HP+500 accessory, since im towards the end and i already know what other HP+'s are available (thx to the strategy guide) im about to level up some of these HP's. but certainly dont waste your time with the accessories until after chapter 12 or even until the end of or middle of chapter 13

amdgamer
04-14-2010, 11:55 PM
Well damn you guys. All this talk about FFXIII has now persuaded me to purchase it. I have just now bought it along with the strategy guide for the X360, and it will get here on Monday.

Phillymike77
04-15-2010, 07:15 AM
Loving the combat, story hasn't pulled me in yet like older FFs. Hoping it comes around

eiger
04-16-2010, 12:54 AM
Well damn you guys. All this talk about FFXIII has now persuaded me to purchase it. I have just now bought it along with the strategy guide for the X360, and it will get here on Monday.

You'll have a blast. Just know, that you will need to pay the price by enduring the first few chapters.

They suuuuuuuuck. After you get some solid game time in and experience with the system, she will lift her skirt for you.

marcallo
04-16-2010, 12:29 PM
I know I quote P-A.com a lot, but this should sum up the experience for you. It IS a great game though.

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/836142109_AJGdT-L.jpg

amdgamer
04-16-2010, 01:52 PM
You'll have a blast. Just know, that you will need to pay the price by enduring the first few chapters.

They suuuuuuuuck. After you get some solid game time in and experience with the system, she will lift her skirt for you.

I hope so, but I have to admit this was more of an impulse purchase I most of you guys know that I really had no plans to buy this game based on what i've been reading. Either way, it won't be here till Monday so that means no FFXIII for me until next weekend at the earliest. Even then, my PC needs some lovin too as all it has been doing lately is folding 24/7..........

I have BC2 for it and still havn't gotten past the beach landing first part :O

amdgamer
04-25-2010, 10:15 PM
I finally jumped on FFXIII this weekend and got to somewhere in Chapter 3 where you are in what looks like a big garbage dump with spare parts all over the place. I just got my Omni tool which allows you to upgrade your stuff.

So far, it is okay as this is the best FF game since FFVII. Of course I had a very low opinion of every FF game after FFVII, so that doesn't say much. I am totally lost as there is a lot of dialogue about the culture of the people of Cocoon and there is no introduction to it. Fa-Cie, L'cie, etc...


The graphics are just okay, but the audio is incredible. This is one of the best sounding games i've ever heard. The voice acting however leaves much to be desired as I want to know why where is no Japanese dialogue. That girl that always ends up in titty shots(Vanilla?) has an especially bad voice actor.

One thing really bugs me, but does Lightning ever quit being a bitch?

railven
04-26-2010, 12:52 PM
I think I played a whole 10 minutes of this game (not including watching the opening cutscenes) and I'd have to say no, I don't think Lightning ever stops being a bitch.

Maybe last hour of the game where she realizes she's in love with someone. Maybe.

I'll get around to this...someday, I promise haha.

TwoPlusTwo
04-26-2010, 08:25 PM
Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that FF13 could actually be the best of the series.

Now that I have done literally everything the game has to offer (got platinum trophy today), I am convinced it is. :D

What's amazing is all of the killer game-play the game gives you after you actually beat it...if you want to do everything, then beating the game isn't even halfway point! :eek:

eiger
04-27-2010, 08:30 AM
Lighting stops being a bitch at the same time hope stops being a little whiney bitch. God he irritated me a couple times.

I want Vanille. She's hot.

amdgamer
04-27-2010, 10:47 AM
Lighting stops being a bitch at the same time hope stops being a little whiney bitch. God he irritated me a couple times.

I want Vanille. She's hot.

Yeah, Lightning and Hope seriously drive me crazy. Maybe those two were meant to piss us off emotionally, but it drives me crazy.

Vanilla is good looking, and that is a good reason why she is always in the titty shots. However I wish that her American voice actor was better as her voice sounds horrible. Sounds like a guy who had his nuts chopped off in the recording studio.

cheapinjustice
04-27-2010, 01:04 PM
So wait !? after you beat the game there is more shit to do?

EddieDZ
04-27-2010, 01:25 PM
So wait !? after you beat the game there is more shit to do?

alot more shit to do, and infact most of the stuff you do after the game ends you can do it before that but you'll get a ass whipping LoL. i decided to do as many of the Gran Pulse missions before heading to the final battle, so far im doing very well, at mission 20something.

does no body think fang is hot? her voice is awesome, vanille is a baby.

marcallo
04-27-2010, 03:50 PM
Vanille would look good in the next version of Rapelay. LOL

cheapinjustice
05-12-2010, 06:23 PM
So i finally beat the game and the story was great i dont know y everyone is getting into an up roar about it

EddieDZ
05-14-2010, 01:56 PM
i still havent beaten it, sorta took a break, playing 3d.game heroes and loving it. im already at the end(last boss) in FFXIII but i wanted to do some of gran pulse missions and then got really bored with them.

cheapinjustice
05-14-2010, 03:29 PM
i still havent beaten it, sorta took a break, playing 3d.game heroes and loving it. im already at the end(last boss) in FFXIII but i wanted to do some of gran pulse missions and then got really bored with them.

just beat it and go back and finish the other shit you will thank me later

amdgamer
05-14-2010, 10:50 PM
Is it just me, or are some of these boss fights just downright sadistic? I swear that Barthandalus has me on the verge of cussing up a storm. These doom counters are really pissing me off on these high end bosses like him, as you invest a whole lot of time and they throw a doom counter on you at the last minute that you cannot overcome.

cheapinjustice
05-15-2010, 09:36 AM
Is it just me, or are some of these boss fights just downright sadistic? I swear that Barthandalus has me on the verge of cussing up a storm. These doom counters are really pissing me off on these high end bosses like him, as you invest a whole lot of time and they throw a doom counter on you at the last minute that you cannot overcome.

get cherub crowns that will keep the doom counter/ death from working as much it really helps alot

amdgamer
05-16-2010, 10:16 PM
get cherub crowns that will keep the doom counter/ death from working as much it really helps alot

Cherub crowns won't help at all with the doom counters as they only help you resist the death attack that the Sacrifice along with final boss can cast to instantly kill your player.

cheapinjustice
05-17-2010, 10:22 AM
Cherub crowns won't help at all with the doom counters as they only help you resist the death attack that the Sacrifice along with final boss can cast to instantly kill your player.

oh yea my bad

if you are talking about the eidolon fights they are disgusting and hard as hell

but you dont have to alwasy attack to build up the gestalt guage

amdgamer
05-17-2010, 11:18 AM
oh yea my bad

if you are talking about the eidolon fights they are disgusting and hard as hell

but you dont have to alwasy attack to build up the gestalt guage

Well it isn't just the Eidolons, as some of the bosses in the game like that %*$%@($ Barthandalus and that one PsiCom director can also cast doom on your character. It just frustrates the hell out of me as some of those boss fights are intensely long. You waste away 20 minutes only to be killed because you couldn't finish before the doom counter expired. When it comes to games, I really hate time limits.

cheapinjustice
05-17-2010, 01:26 PM
Well it isn't just the Eidolons, as some of the bosses in the game like that %*$%@($ Barthandalus and that one PsiCom director can also cast doom on your character. It just frustrates the hell out of me as some of those boss fights are intensely long. You waste away 20 minutes only to be killed because you couldn't finish before the doom counter expired. When it comes to games, I really hate time limits.

i never had the problem just keep combat clinic on for your paradigm.

and when anyone gets to 1/2 health then switch to it.

then back to relentless assault that is the strategy i used and never had a whole lot of problems until the very end when it takes some other strategies to beat the last few bosses

TwoPlusTwo
05-19-2010, 05:36 PM
Is it just me, or are some of these boss fights just downright sadistic? I swear that Barthandalus has me on the verge of cussing up a storm. These doom counters are really pissing me off on these high end bosses like him, as you invest a whole lot of time and they throw a doom counter on you at the last minute that you cannot overcome.

If you ever get a doom counter on a boss you are taking way too long and need a new strategy. The doom counter is kinda the game's way of saying "you need a new approach here..."

mrksem454
05-27-2010, 12:26 AM
In my opinion in this game, There are great WRPGs, like pretty much the entire Fallout series, and their are awful WRPGs like Fable. There are great JRPGs, like Grandia 2, and there are awful JRPGs, like FF8. Everyone who likes Japanese RPG will love this game.

awol
06-29-2010, 03:10 PM
I took a long hiatus from FFXIII but have been getting back into it over the last couple of weeks. Here are some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to in the guide for those of you who have already played through and beaten the game (and beyond).

1. If you know you're only going to create one ultimate weapon per character, is there any reason to keep more than the one primary weapon or should they be sold for gil? Same thing for accessories. I pretty much only use accessories that are specifically increasing the stats necessary for a particular character (magic for Hope, strength for Fang, HP for Lightning). I've not been using elemental resistance accessories etc.

2. Can components that are not specified in the manual as good for upgrading be sold to generate more gil as well?

3. Is there any reason to attempt to upgrade to ultimate weapons prior to beating the game?

TwoPlusTwo
06-29-2010, 08:31 PM
I took a long hiatus from FFXIII but have been getting back into it over the last couple of weeks. Here are some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to in the guide for those of you who have already played through and beaten the game (and beyond).

1. If you know you're only going to create one ultimate weapon per character, is there any reason to keep more than the one primary weapon or should they be sold for gil? Same thing for accessories. I pretty much only use accessories that are specifically increasing the stats necessary for a particular character (magic for Hope, strength for Fang, HP for Lightning). I've not been using elemental resistance accessories etc.

2. Can components that are not specified in the manual as good for upgrading be sold to generate more gil as well?

3. Is there any reason to attempt to upgrade to ultimate weapons prior to beating the game?

1. If you want the platinum trophy (all achievements on 360) then you need to get each weapon upgraded to it's second form, but only one ultimate per character. For each character, you only should pick one weapon that you want to get to ultimate, and work on upgrading that weapon. Whether or not you upgrade the other weapons to their second form (there are three forms...initial, second form, and ultimate) depends on whether or not you are trying to plat the game. If definitely not planning on trying to plat, then only upgrade the weapon you wanna use and sell the others.

Regarding accessories, that highly depends on whether or not you are trying to plat the game. For platinum, you will need to hold (not keep but hold at least once) every item in the game. You will need a checklist (the hardback strategy guide is best) if you intend to do this, and trust me it takes a hell of a lot of work! If not trying to plat then only upgrade the stuff you use.

2. YES. The only organic component that you need are actually Sturdy Bones, which are purchased on the cheap. If you want to plat FFXII, then always start every single upgrade with 36 Sturdy Bones if you can, then add your good mechanical components. You can and should sell everything else. Anything equivalent to Sturdy Bones works (see the guide), but post-ending it's best to only use Sturdy Bones and sell all other organic components. Sell your shitty mechanical components and keep your good ones.

3. No, and getting the Trapehezadrons (spelling?) to do it with would be pretty much impossible anyway. :p

Hope that helps! :hithere:

awol
06-30-2010, 07:28 PM
Hope that helps! :hithere:

Absolutely!!! Thanks so much!

IlikeHDTVs
07-21-2010, 09:42 AM
Hey! I'm a big FF fan here.

Although FFXIII was linear at first, I didn't mind the change. I was able to beat it fairly casually by powering through the game using Light, Hope and Fang...the characters with the best combined ability trees.

Was Fun! CGI was stunning. The battle system graphics were also nice, the character models looked and moved great. Fun game, Im at about 65 hours, post-story, doing all the extra cieth missions and chocoboo hunts, weapon upgrades etc. About done though....

Anyone recommend another good JRPG for ps3?

bruceames
07-28-2010, 07:39 PM
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