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JVC 61z786 or Toshiba 62hm94

abacotc
08-15-2005, 06:45 PM
I have been educating myself on this site for the past two weeks as to which HDTV to buy. My choice is between the JVC 61Z786 (LCoS)or the Toshiba 62HM94 (DLP). I would be interested in anyone's opinion as to what they would buy, and why. Thanks to this forum for the education. :yippee:

videobruce
08-15-2005, 09:06 PM
LCD vs D-ILA
SDE vs too bright of a image
Side speakers vs bottom mounted speakers
Chinsy silver vs black case

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=62hm94

http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027382&pathId=114&page=2

dalearyous
08-15-2005, 11:10 PM
i would go for the JVC, thats my opinion. the real difference between the dlp and the lcos is the dlp is going to give you truer blacks but not as bright of a pictures where as the jvc will give you a bright, crips picture. but if watching dark movie with the lights off the trained eye will see that the jvc blacks are darkish blue and not completely black. i dunno, both are good depends on what you prefer.

if you still can't decide i just read article yesterday on jvc and it was definately credible source. the guy stated that the jvc had the smoothest picture with high definition he'd ever seen

rhino_horn
08-16-2005, 12:08 AM
The highs really do out way the lows on this set. Does it have a bluish-dark grey when it comes to blacks? YES Does it have the brightest Image? YES :cool:

What do you want a set that is so dark that you cannot see the images in the back ground or a picture so bright that the colors just pop out of the TV.

As far as the Chinsy silver vs black case you can get the JVC in either Chinsy silver or a black case I went with the BLACK it looks really sharp and when watching at night the pictures all you see. :D

PFC5
08-16-2005, 01:10 AM
The highs really do out way the lows on this set. Does it have a bluish-dark grey when it comes to blacks? YES Does it have the brightest Image? YES :cool:

What do you want a set that is so dark that you cannot see the images in the back ground or a picture so bright that the colors just pop out of the TV.

As far as the you can get the JVC in either I went with the BLACK it looks really sharp and when watching at night the pictures all you see. :D

A good HD2+ chipped DLP WILL give great shadow/dark area detail. I know mine does, and it has excellent blacks too! As for brightness, mine has two bulb intensity settings.

It has 120w & 100w outputs so if I wanted to wear sunglasses when watching TV I would set it on 120w. :cool: When I want to watch it without hurting my eyes, but have great blacks AND shadow detail I set it where I have it on 100 watts, and it should make the lamp last longer too! :D

Once JVC fixes the blue/black issue which I am sure they will in next year's models, they will be the tech to beat. They may even get better blacks by offing two lamp intensity settings too! It certainly wouldn't hurt.

This will all change when the SED HDTVs come out in 2 years though. :eek:

videobruce
08-16-2005, 07:11 AM
you can get the JVC in either BUT you have a choice.Once JVC fixes the blue/black issue What black/blue issue?This will all change when the SED HDTVs come out in 2 years though. Add to that another 2 years to get the bugs out. But by then, something else will be on the horizon.

PFC5
08-16-2005, 11:09 AM
BUT you have a choice. What black/blue issue? Add to that another 2 years to get the bugs out. But by then, something else will be on the horizon.

The Blu/Black issue is that the blacks look somewhat blueish instead of black with the JVC DILAs. I imagine they will fix this issue with any and all of the following:

Using an IRIS like the Sony A10s.
Offering two lamp intensities.
Improvements to the Lcos panlers.

As I have said before, I think Lcos IS the technology to beat EVENTUALLY, but I don't think IMO, that it is ready yet. There are others here that disagree with this and they think that day is NOW, that is why they bought it, but then it becomes a personal preference thing.

All the technologies have tradeoffs right now, so it is a matter of picking your poison.

videobruce
08-16-2005, 09:54 PM
The Blu/Black issue is that the blacks look somewhat blueish instead of black with the JVC DILAsOut of the 5 or so sets I have seen, I have never saw that in any of them, nor have I read anything like that in any review or any forum. :confused:

PFC5
08-17-2005, 12:03 AM
Out of the 5 or so sets I have seen, I have never saw that in any of them, nor have I read anything like that in any review or any forum. :confused:

Did you ever see one out of the bright showroom floor? Blacks or lack thereof is much less noticiable in a very bright room. You really see it when the lights are dimmed, like when watching a movie at night.

If you have never seen anything about the JVC issue with blacks, and how they have a bluish tint to them, then you have not been reading much or in the right places. Someone on this board who is an avid proponent to the JVC DILAs has even said this. Here is a link rhino_horn's post:

http://www.highdefforum.com/showpost.php?p=62129&postcount=4

By the way, this was post #4 in this VERY THREAD! How did you miss this?

Every professional review I have seen on any of the JVC DILA sets states that the blacks are not as good as LCD RPTVs, which of course are not as good as DLP RPTVs. Some even mention this bluish tinted black.

videobruce
08-17-2005, 07:06 AM
Two people out of hundreds............
It's no where way near how bad the Sony LCDs' are!

rhino_horn
08-17-2005, 07:41 AM
I have said before. I love this set the PQ is awsome. And the Black levels are not that major of a problem. It is impossible to get a TRUE black with any TV.

When it come right down to it do we even KNOW what TRUE BLACK is? :confused:

If I were to pick between the two sets mentioned (and I have) I would go JVC again in a heart beat.

Hazard
08-17-2005, 02:00 PM
I have the 56G786 (Maybe 886).

I am amazed at the picture in a fairly dark room, and when the afternoon sun is flooding this room, and do not have any issues with the picture. I cannot compare to the Toshiba, but I know I do not regret this TV at all. BTW, I have a cable card, not a box.

SInce I am really not visually educated in the black/blue problem, I don't notice anything pic problems.

JH