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Using the Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 - Advice and Tips!

Thomamon
02-11-2010, 09:58 PM
Just received it today as a gift from my wife :) I've had some stuff saved on my DirecTV HD DVR for almost a year now.

What I want to do is capture the video from the DVR to either my Win7 PC or MacBook Pro and cut out the commercials before burning the video to DVD! I want to keep it as close to HD as possible.

So I'm asking for advice and tips at doing this the best way possible. Do you just use the software that comes with it? What bit rate do you capture at?

I really appreciate any help and advice :)

lsilvest
02-12-2010, 08:21 AM
Don't use the HD PVR, but I know it comes with the WinTV software which should be sufficient for doing the recording which you will do manually anyway. It should record mpeg-2 (may have other options) which is recognized by most editing software. Not sure, but I think the HD PVR has other recording options also.

If you're going to burn to just DVD, not Blu-ray, remember that the best you'll get on playback is 480p unless you have an upconverter.

I use Nero 9 to edit and burn HD recordings to DVD. I put House episodes on DVD for my son (mpeg-2 at 1080i). I set Nero to 720p resolution and put 3 episodes on a standard DVD. They actually look pretty good on my 42" 720p plasma. Just as good as commercial DVDs.

I use BeyondTV to record and it marks the commercials which makes editing a lot easier. I know a lot of people use Video Redo for editing, but I've never had reason to try it since I've used Nero for a long time. Nero has a commercial detector that I haven't had a lot of luck with it, but haven't really played with it much.

rbinck
02-12-2010, 09:54 AM
You use the software that comes with the unit for the capture. It is a special version of Total Media Extreme.

You hook up the unit with component cables and an optical cable for the audio. Also I use the AVCHD file type with a saved format of TS. That is required for the editor I use.

You need to get the updates from the distribution disc as they will add the optical 5.1 audio support as well as the full screen option for viewing what is being captured. It also will use hardware video acceleration.

Once captured I use h264_cutter software to eliminate commercials. You mark the areas of the file that you want to keep. Works fairly well once you get it set up. I have the Cutin frame type set to I-frame and the Cutout frame type set to AllFrame because I capture at 1080i. If you have your DVR set to 720p, these settings will vary.

Once I have a .ts file made like I want it I use convertXtoDVD to re-encode the files I want to put on standard DVD. That software will recommend dual layer DVDs if needed to keep the best quality possible and will burn the DVD after the encoding. This is a slow process depending on the computer speed can take several hours. Because of that and the lower resolution I keep most of the files on hard drives rather than burning DVDs. I use the Western Digital TV HD Media Player (http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?p=346) on TVs that are not connected to my HTPCs to play the files. There are others that will work over your LAN as well.

The unit comes with software to burn standard DVDs in HD that can be played on Blu-ray players, but I have never tried it because the duration of what can be recorded on even dual layer DVDs.

There are some other features that you may be interested in as well. For more info see: Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR Video Capture device (http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=331)

Thomamon
02-12-2010, 11:13 AM
Once captured I use h264_cutter software to eliminate commercials. You mark the areas of the file that you want to keep. Works fairly well once you get it set up. I have the Cutin frame type set to I-frame and the Cutout frame type set to AllFrame because I capture at 1080i. If you have your DVR set to 720p, these settings will vary.

What is the name of the software you use to eliminate commercials? I used the one that came with it last night and tried it out capturing a one hour program. I was not happy with the results of the DVD that I burned tho, using the packaged software, I saw way too much compression. So I saw they had a new version of TotalMedia Extreme, 2.0. I downloaded a 15 day trial and when you go to make a disc it gives you options for the quality of the disc. Oh my, I chose Highest and what a difference in quality. It looked like the video I had captured from my TiVo, it was that sharp and clear. However, the commercial cuts were kind of sloppy...





The unit comes with software to burn standard DVDs in HD that can be played on Blu-ray players, but I have never tried it because the duration of what can be recorded on even dual layer DVDs.

I easily fit the one hour program on a Single Layered DVD and it looked tremendous.

Let me ask you another question, when you capture, what bit rate do you capture at? I captured at 13.5 because I did not want to lose any quality.

Thanks for your help!

rbinck
02-12-2010, 12:56 PM
What is the name of the software you use to eliminate commercials?

h264ts_cutter... do a google search.

For my mpeg2 files my tuner cards make I use VideoReDo, but they haven't moved into the h264 files yet. It is a lot slicker in that it will find the commercials automatically for you. If something, like music specials, is on broadcast, I use the OTA tuner card to record it for that reason.

Let me ask you another question, when you capture, what bit rate do you capture at? I captured at 13.5 because I did not want to lose any quality.

I capture mostly at 9.0 because I can't tell any difference between that and 13.5 and the files are slightly smaller. If you re-encode for a DVD, I would think 13.5 would be fine, expecially if you are not going to keep the captured files. The few I have recorded to DVD were not as good as the recorded files, so I only do that for movies my wife wants on DVD. She has not mastered the HTPC yet and may never.

Rick0725
02-12-2010, 05:01 PM
I am having audio synch issues with my unit using optical audio input. The audio is off about 100 Milliseconds.

What do I need to do to correct the issue. I uninstalled and did a "clean" install with updated software and drivers and that did not correct the situation.

rbinck
02-12-2010, 09:40 PM
I had that with the Playstation setting. I switched to the AVCHD and the problem went away. I don't know why.

Gotblade
02-13-2010, 05:58 PM
I have component video & optical audio going into this device and mostly want to rerender the the output to dvd. I had trouble with the audio becoming garbled at transitions no bigger than during commercials on tv shows & as small as a rapid scene change in the middle of a show.
I've, so far, overcome this problem with this command in ffmpeg;
ffmpeg -threads 2 -vsync 60 -i capture.m2ts -deinterlace -target ntsc-dvd -vb 6000k -ac 6 -acodec copy capture.mpg.
Since the lead into a show may be stereo instead of 5.1 surround sound I render with this command long enough to get into the show & load the result into avidemux to find the exact frame where the show starts so I can adjust the render command to include -ss 00:01:38.384 or what ever avidemux says the right frame is. Seems if I don't do this the whole file will render as stereo.
I'm doing this in Debian with a custom kernel that includes support for this device.

rcoleman11
02-17-2010, 01:58 AM
h264ts_cutter... do a google search.

For my mpeg2 files my tuner cards make I use VideoReDo, but they haven't moved into the h264 files yet. It is a lot slicker in that it will find the commercials automatically for you. If something, like music specials, is on broadcast, I use the OTA tuner card to record it for that reason.


rbinck, there is now a pre-release version of Video Redo with h.264 support:

http://www.videoredo.net/msgBoard/showthread.php?t=15759

I downloaded the trial last week end and it is awesome. I've used h264ts_cutter extensively, but this programs blows it away. It is not only easier to navigate through a video, but it overcomes the shortcomings of h264ts_cutter - video glitches that often appear at the cut points and audio sometimes getting slightly out of sync toward the end of long videos with lots of commercials. And as you've mentioned, it does have a built-in commercial detection feature, although I haven't used that feature yet.

Video Redo isn't free like h264ts_cutter - it costs $75 if you're not upgrading from a previous version - but it is well worth the price. By all accounts it's the best cutter available today.