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New Vizio VO370M LCD HDTV 480i????

CorbinDallas
01-21-2010, 09:21 PM
hi i'm new. this is my first LCD HDTV.

local HD channels look great... and i'm getting the comcast HD box tomorrow.

i have a SD DVD player (about 4 years old). it has s-video, composite video and component video. no matter which connection i use i get huge bars on the top and bottom of the screen when viewing one of my widescreen movies. the only way to get rid of the bars is through setup>wide>panoramic, zoom1 or zoom2. changing to any of those settings just jacks up the picture making it more fuzzy or stretched out looking. how can i view a movie without these huge bars on either side???

also, the TV is operating in 480i SD. i can't watch a movie on a SD DVD player in anything higher than 480i even though this TV is 1080p??? does this TV just operate in 480i unless its receiving an HD signal in the HD inputs??

the movie size and clarity was much better on my old 36 inch phillips SD TV. i'm kinda dissapointed. it sure looked good in the store. do i have to get a new DVD player now too?

watching a movie this way on this big shiny new HDTV sucks.

c22822
01-21-2010, 10:02 PM
Movies are filmed in different formats. When it's format is wider than 16:9 you will have black bars top and bottom. A standard SD DVD player will only provide an SD signal to your TV. If you want a better picture at least get an "upconverting" player. I would recommend that you get a Blu-Ray player instead and a HDMI cable. That player will also up-convert your regular DVD's.

CorbinDallas
01-21-2010, 10:14 PM
ok. so the TV is converting the DVD to fit its 16:9 ratio... which makes the picture smaller and the huge bars at the top and bottom. correct... basically?

i found the HDMI outputs on the DVD player and hooked those up to the TV... the picture is better... 480p vs 480i... but the size is still the same.

an upconverting player or blu-ray will give me a full screen picture... with regular widescreen DVDs? OR it will give me a bigger picture but still have some bars at the top and bottom? blu-ray is full screen i suppose.

i guess i shoulda got the TV at sam's club for $600 with the blu-ray player LOL... instead of the el-cheepo $547 deal at wal-mart LOL.

HiDefRev
01-22-2010, 02:54 AM
Please read the "Sticky" at the top of this section titled " Why do I still have black bars with a widescreen TV ". This should answer all of your questions.

deadhead68
01-22-2010, 10:03 AM
Concerning the black bars....do check out the Sticky at the top.

As far as the DVD sending a 480i signal, does the DVD have progressive scan ability? If so, is it enabled?

CorbinDallas
01-22-2010, 10:49 AM
does upconverting re-format regular dvds so they fill the entire screen?

deadhead68
01-22-2010, 11:39 AM
does upconverting re-format regular dvds so they fill the entire screen?

It depends on which aspect ratio the movie was shot/mastered in.

I stole this from a post by BrianO that pretty much describes this.

"Almost all movies today are filmed with aspect ratios of 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 (2.39:1 and 2.40:1 are exhibition variants only). Both of these aspect ratios have been in common use since the 1950's. (It is not something new and it is unlikely to change as far as film is concerned). Both are wider than 16:9 (=1.78:1). 2.35:1 movies will always show bars and only fill about 3/4 of the height of the 16:9 screen. A 1.85:1 movie only fills the screen of most 16:9 TVs because of the overscan built ito the TV. Without the overscan, 1.85:1 movies will also display black bars, albeit very narrow ones.
"

CorbinDallas
01-22-2010, 11:56 AM
ok. i can deal with narrow black bars at the top and bottom... or even wider bars at the top and bottom as long as the picture isn't abnormally stretched looking.

what i have now when i play LOTR box collection (for example) is a letterbox around the picture. the actual movie fills about 60% of the screen. this is maddening. i don't know the AR of this collection but i know the dvd says "widescreen". i just want the letterbox gone... i can't deal with that at all.

Loves2Watch
01-22-2010, 12:47 PM
ok. i can deal with narrow black bars at the top and bottom... or even wider bars at the top and bottom as long as the picture isn't abnormally stretched looking.

what i have now when i play LOTR box collection (for example) is a letterbox around the picture. the actual movie fills about 60% of the screen. this is maddening. i don't know the AR of this collection but i know the dvd says "widescreen". i just want the letterbox gone... i can't deal with that at all.

Leeloo says how about going into the settings of your DVD player and making sure it is set to 16x9.

CorbinDallas
01-22-2010, 04:59 PM
yes it was the DVD player. i never payed attention before cuz i didn't have an HDTV... but i guess my DVD player is an upconverting unit. it's a panasonic and it has HD outputs and it says advanced progressive scan. it came as part of a home theater system. i went through the functions with the dvd remote and was able to set it up correctly so i now can view movies correctly... either widescreen (which is big and wide now without looking stretched) or full screen (with the bars on the sides, or i can stretch it to have no bars).

i bought this dvd unit 4 years ago. going through the settings i found it can output 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i. i have it set to 720p now and i think i like that best. but isn't 1080i technically "better"?? "p" is better than "i" though right?

just for clarification... is "letterbox" when the black bars go completely around the picture? is "widescreen" when the bars are just at the top and bottom? what do you call it when the bars are just on the sides?

Loves2Watch
01-22-2010, 06:37 PM
yes it was the DVD player. i never payed attention before cuz i didn't have an HDTV... but i guess my DVD player is an upconverting unit. it's a panasonic and it has HD outputs and it says advanced progressive scan. it came as part of a home theater system. i went through the functions with the dvd remote and was able to set it up correctly so i now can view movies correctly... either widescreen (which is big and wide now without looking stretched) or full screen (with the bars on the sides, or i can stretch it to have no bars).

i bought this dvd unit 4 years ago. going through the settings i found it can output 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i. i have it set to 720p now and i think i like that best. but isn't 1080i technically "better"?? "p" is better than "i" though right? 1080i should give you the best results.

just for clarification... is "letterbox" when the black bars go completely around the picture? Letterbox is when the black bars are at the top and bottom of the screen. Pillarbox is when black bars are on the sides.is "widescreen" when the bars are just at the top and bottom? what do you call it when the bars are just on the sides?

Leeloo says hope this helps...

CorbinDallas
01-22-2010, 07:40 PM
cool. i knew there was a reason why i had those warm fuzzy feelings for Leeloo.

DKinc
01-28-2010, 03:48 PM
I would stay away from Vizio. I had nothing but problems with it.