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Double-dip for HD?

gkamieneski
01-21-2010, 08:41 AM
Just trying to test my understanding regarding HDTV and Comcast's all digital initiative.

Why are we being supplied with HD TVs from stores and online vendors, when Comcast and other content suppliers are requiring that we rent HD STBs to receive their HD content? Isn't this a waste of money, buying the tuner in the full HD television? Would it make more sense to buy a monitor-only, such as for connection to a PC, with HDMI inputs, thereby not paying for the HD processing?

Maybe it is just me, but I feel taken and stupid to have an HDTV sitting there with a Comcast HD STB sitting next to it. Why couldn't this whole thing have been accomplished at the head end, allowing all of us nice and neat connections to the wall using OEM remotes?

davecramer74
01-21-2010, 09:35 AM
Just trying to test my understanding regarding HDTV and Comcast's all digital initiative.

Why are we being supplied with HD TVs from stores and online vendors, when Comcast and other content suppliers are requiring that we rent HD STBs to receive their HD content? Isn't this a waste of money, buying the tuner in the full HD television? Would it make more sense to buy a monitor-only, such as for connection to a PC, with HDMI inputs, thereby not paying for the HD processing?

Maybe it is just me, but I feel taken and stupid to have an HDTV sitting there with a Comcast HD STB sitting next to it. Why couldn't this whole thing have been accomplished at the head end, allowing all of us nice and neat connections to the wall using OEM remotes?


If you got a tv that supports cable cards, you dont need a stb. Thats their "solution" right now.

gkamieneski
01-21-2010, 10:08 AM
If you got a tv that supports cable cards, you dont need a stb. Thats their "solution" right now.

My understanding is that cable card technology has disappeared from the newer HDTVs. I know that none of those I looked at recently had the capability.

dsskid
01-21-2010, 10:51 AM
Just trying to test my understanding regarding HDTV and Comcast's all digital initiative.

Why are we being supplied with HD TVs from stores and online vendors, when Comcast and other content suppliers are requiring that we rent HD STBs to receive their HD content? Isn't this a waste of money, buying the tuner in the full HD television? Would it make more sense to buy a monitor-only, such as for connection to a PC, with HDMI inputs, thereby not paying for the HD processing?

Maybe it is just me, but I feel taken and stupid to have an HDTV sitting there with a Comcast HD STB sitting next to it. Why couldn't this whole thing have been accomplished at the head end, allowing all of us nice and neat connections to the wall using OEM remotes?

Not everyone utilizes cable/sattelite equipment to receive HD content...some get it over-the-air utilizing roof antennas, making a TV tuner necessary.

s2mikey
01-21-2010, 02:52 PM
Just trying to test my understanding regarding HDTV and Comcast's all digital initiative.

Why are we being supplied with HD TVs from stores and online vendors, when Comcast and other content suppliers are requiring that we rent HD STBs to receive their HD content? Isn't this a waste of money, buying the tuner in the full HD television? Would it make more sense to buy a monitor-only, such as for connection to a PC, with HDMI inputs, thereby not paying for the HD processing?

Maybe it is just me, but I feel taken and stupid to have an HDTV sitting there with a Comcast HD STB sitting next to it. Why couldn't this whole thing have been accomplished at the head end, allowing all of us nice and neat connections to the wall using OEM remotes?

You are being taken. Its extremely stoopid. The HD is NOT free if you use their service since they force the box onto you. They have gone out of their way to make cablecards hard to use and incompatible with many features that box-renters get. Rat basterds. And, you cant buy the boxes. Its a continual lifetime rental. Dumb.

This, and several other reasons are why Im no longer a TWC slut.

carealtor
01-23-2010, 03:54 PM
My understanding is that cable card technology has disappeared from the newer HDTVs. I know that none of those I looked at recently had the capability.

There are virtually no TVs on the market with cable card ability right now. I say "virtually" because I can't prove a negative. But I searched everywhere for one (in the size range I was looking 40" +/-) and couldn't find a single one. The death of cable card is a shame.

s2mikey
01-25-2010, 07:26 AM
There are virtually no TVs on the market with cable card ability right now. I say "virtually" because I can't prove a negative. But I searched everywhere for one (in the size range I was looking 40" +/-) and couldn't find a single one. The death of cable card is a shame.

You are probably correct. My Pioneer is a 2008 model and it has one. But, even back then it was not the norm. Now, noone bothers anymore.

What. Ever.

jmohr1
01-25-2010, 08:53 PM
Funny enough, the new comcast statement came in today had a notice something along the lines of you will no longer be charged the $7 HD box fee (WOOHOO)... Oh, wait, now the box fee is included in a $7 "HD programming fee" (Cough, B.S)

Sykotic
01-29-2010, 12:40 AM
The cable card is not dead. The fcc mandates that cable providers support them. No where does it say that tv manufactors have to. But if you are lucky enough to get a newer set top box, look inside and you will find a cable card.