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First LCD TV, cost/performance ratio

InfectedDAS
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
Hello to everyone, I'm new to this forum and everything involving HD, so a little bit of direction could help, especially now that I0m planning to buy a HDTV.
I'll mostly use it for gaming (Xbox 360) through HDMI and watching DVD movies, later on Blu-ray ones.
I might be tempted to connect the laptop to it via VGA.
The bedroom where I'm planning to put it it's not so big, so a 32" or even a 40" would be enough, plus I'm on a budget of no more than $550.
The room is somewhat dark, but most of the viewing/playing will be done at the night.

I have some LCD tv's in mind, which are:


InsigniaŽ Advanced 32" - 120Hz
InsigniaŽ 37" - 60Hz
Sony - BRAVIA 32" - 60Hz

-they are all on the Best Buy page, I tried to put the links but i couldn't due to the minimum posts restriction.

I'm quite tempted to aquire the 120Hz screen, but I need some professional advice. And I'm quite sure you know more about Tv's than me or the employees of the store.
So any help/advice/recomendation will be very helpful, thanks in advance.

PS
I can't buy anything online due to a lack of Credit card :what:

s2mikey
01-18-2010, 06:42 PM
Welcome to the forum. With your usage description, the 37" is an interesting choice since that extra 5" of screen is a HUGE difference over a 32", believe it or not. I would concentrate on the biggest you can get. As for 120Hz, the results are generally mixed for that feature. If you can get it, it certainly wouldnt hurt. However, I would try to go with at least a 37" if not somehow squeezing in a 40".

I would probably stay with an LCD in your use-case with PC use & gaming. Although, plasmas are better overall performers, especially with movies and basic TV watching.

Ive been thought the TV-size thing. Trust me, they get smaller after a short time and you'll end up getting something bigger anyways. Unless there is a major space issue, bigger is a big priority, IMO.

GymBrat98
01-18-2010, 06:45 PM
Hello to everyone, I'm new to this forum and everything involving HD, so a little bit of direction could help, especially now that I0m planning to buy a HDTV.
I'll mostly use it for gaming (Xbox 360) through HDMI and watching DVD movies, later on Blu-ray ones.
I might be tempted to connect the laptop to it via VGA.
The bedroom where I'm planning to put it it's not so big, so a 32" or even a 40" would be enough, plus I'm on a budget of no more than $550.
The room is somewhat dark, but most of the viewing/playing will be done at the night.

I have some LCD tv's in mind, which are:


InsigniaŽ Advanced 32" - 120Hz
InsigniaŽ 37" - 60Hz
Sony - BRAVIA 32" - 60Hz

-they are all on the Best Buy page, I tried to put the links but i couldn't due to the minimum posts restriction.

I'm quite tempted to aquire the 120Hz screen, but I need some professional advice. And I'm quite sure you know more about Tv's than me or the employees of the store.
So any help/advice/recomendation will be very helpful, thanks in advance.

PS
I can't buy anything online due to a lack of Credit card :what:

Hi,:hithere: get yourself a debit card if a CC is out of the question. A debit card will allow you to buy from any online retailer. IMO, get a 120hz 1080p LCD, it should take care of all your needs. Just so you know, you can get a Sharp LC - 46LE700UN - 46" LCD TV - 1080p for 938.00 this is a LED TV.

Hope this helps, and welcome to the forum
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pappylap
01-18-2010, 07:15 PM
I can't buy anything online due to a lack of Credit card :what:

Its O.K. You can use PFC's

PFC5
01-18-2010, 08:44 PM
Its O.K. You can use PFC's

Gee thanks! :p

InfectedDAS
01-18-2010, 10:52 PM
Gee thanks! :p

That sounds like a good option. :banana:

Thanks s2mikey, I would now consider size, but still the 60Hz/120Hz is bothering me, for what I've read 120Hz is somewhat future proof and I think less eye stressing when playing long nights, still I'm not sure, haven't seen one in person.

Mmmm a debit cards sounds tempting GymBrat98 but $938 is quite some cash for a student :(

Btw thanks for the welcoming and fast response.
So a 37" - 40" @ 60Hz will not have a noticeable performance reduction compared to a 37" - 40" @ 120Hz??

Like I said I will mainly be using it to play and watch movies (Dvd's or sometimes AVI's), later on Blu-ray, just one step at a time.

s2mikey
01-19-2010, 07:05 AM
That sounds like a good option. :banana:

Thanks s2mikey, I would now consider size, but still the 60Hz/120Hz is bothering me, for what I've read 120Hz is somewhat future proof and I think less eye stressing when playing long nights, still I'm not sure, haven't seen one in person.



By all means - go for a 120Hz sset if that fits your needs better. Just try to at least go with a 37" for best results! 32" sets are just sooo tiny. We have one in our bedroom that used to be in our living room.

InfectedDAS
01-19-2010, 01:21 PM
By all means - go for a 120Hz sset if that fits your needs better. Just try to at least go with a 37" for best results! 32" sets are just sooo tiny. We have one in our bedroom that used to be in our living room.

Hey thanks, I've been looking at Best buy's page and found a 42" @ 120Hz in a somewhat resonable price of $699.
The peculiar thing is that they have to types of Tv's Insignia and Insignia Advanced, the second one is in discount from $749, so one would think that is better than the other one. Any clue of it?

I've made my mind about the 37" - 42" screen size, thanks.

Btw is Insignia a good brand, It won't break in months or something like that?

PFC5
01-19-2010, 01:26 PM
It is Best Buy's house brand and I would say it is not very good IMO. It is considered 3rd tier along with Sylvania, Magnozox, etc.

InfectedDAS
01-19-2010, 02:27 PM
It is Best Buy's house brand and I would say it is not very good IMO. It is considered 3rd tier along with Sylvania, Magnozox, etc.

Oh thanks, but what would second tier tv brands be? Is the price difference to big? how about performance?

You wouldn't recommend a 42" @ 120Hz Insignia Advanced tv? Even though the excellent price?

For what I've read the Tv's are manufactured by Best buy using LG parts, and I think LG has some kind of quality control. But then again, I don't know much about LCD and haven't seen an Insignia Tv in person.

jkkyler
01-19-2010, 02:31 PM
I have a 26" Insignia in my bedroom and it is 'OK'. The main issue I notice is uneven backlighting/ backlight bleedthrough on very dark or black screens - worse around the edges. It isn't noticeable on a light screen and the tv has performed satisfactorily over the past 2 yrs but nothing to brag about.

PFC5
01-19-2010, 03:09 PM
Oh thanks, but what would second tier tv brands be? Is the price difference to big? how about performance?

You wouldn't recommend a 42" @ 120Hz Insignia Advanced tv? Even though the excellent price?

For what I've read the Tv's are manufactured by Best buy using LG parts, and I think LG has some kind of quality control. But then again, I don't know much about LCD and haven't seen an Insignia Tv in person.

Exactly my point. I went through 5 LG displays myself and my friend went through 4 and they all had issues. I am sure the Insignia displays are of lower quality than even LG. You did know that LG = Lucky Goldstar right? It is the same company that in the 80s & early 90s was at best a low end 4th tier mfg of the cheapest devices out there.

I also had a loaner Insignia LCD display 2 years ago while my DLP was getting repaired under warranty by an outside repair company and it was horrible in home lighting. It would not even negotiate a 720p resolution from my PS3 via HDMI despite that being the native resolution of the display. :eek:

FragHD
01-19-2010, 05:47 PM
How about a panasonic plasma? You can get a Panny TC-P50X1 at Best Buy right now for $699. Its 720p but that should be fine for a bedroom tv and is worlds better than any Insignia. Its really a hell of a deal for a 50" display.

s2mikey
01-19-2010, 06:37 PM
Hey thanks, I've been looking at Best buy's page and found a 42" @ 120Hz in a somewhat resonable price of $699.
The peculiar thing is that they have to types of Tv's Insignia and Insignia Advanced, the second one is in discount from $749, so one would think that is better than the other one. Any clue of it?

I've made my mind about the 37" - 42" screen size, thanks.

Btw is Insignia a good brand, It won't break in months or something like that?

The Insignias are fairly low-tier as others have said. Id try to go up a little from there. Remember, $50 or $150 bucks right now wont seem like much at all once you've got a good quality TV that you are enjoying. On the other hand, that $100 bucks or whatever saved now wont make you feel better if there are problems. So... get the best thing you can. Do it right the first time. Not saying to go over your budget, just be sure to get good quality upfront.

Ive had good luck with my Sharp LCD. Do they have any models in that price range? Might be worth a look. A Panasonic is a great choice if you go plasma.

InfectedDAS
01-19-2010, 11:27 PM
jkkyler do you use your 26" Insignia tv for gaming?? or have it hooked to the laptop?? Any ghosting, blurring?

Well FragHD a Plasma might sound like an option, but are Plasmas good for gaming and hooking up the laptop, I've read about some burning issues with plasmas, still an option, haven't discard the idea of a plasma tv.

"Do it right the first time" that's so true s2mikey, so a Plasma TV would not go off the budget, but my main concerned is if gaming will feel the same as with a LCD tv, plus the absence of 1080p is quite sad.

Besides what are Plasma vs LCD lifespan?

Btw thanks for the feedback

SantaPimp27
01-20-2010, 12:44 AM
jkkyler do you use your 26" Insignia tv for gaming?? or have it hooked to the laptop?? Any ghosting, blurring?

Well FragHD a Plasma might sound like an option, but are Plasmas good for gaming and hooking up the laptop, I've read about some burning issues with plasmas, still an option, haven't discard the idea of a plasma tv.

"Do it right the first time" that's so true s2mikey, so a Plasma TV would not go off the budget, but my main concerned is if gaming will feel the same as with a LCD tv, plus the absence of 1080p is quite sad.

Besides what are Plasma vs LCD lifespan?

Btw thanks for the feedback

gaming should be substantially better on a plasma vs an lcd. plasma's render much better black levels and shadow details. they also do not have motion issues which are often noticed in games with crosshairs.

lifespan of a panasonic plasma is now rated at 100,000 hours. more than an lcd.

jkkyler
01-20-2010, 08:53 AM
I do not have a pc hooked up for gaming - My PC has a 25" crt monitor hoked to it that I have been very happy with. The tv is in the bedroom for casual tv watching - it does have a blu-ray player hooked to it but it is a samsung and although it plays DVD w/o a hitch it is nearly worthless as a BD player.

InfectedDAS
01-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Thanks jkkyler =)

Ok SantaPimp27 Plasma seems the way to go if I focus on size and quality maintaining the budget, but the burn in issue is still bothering me, will it burn in the image if I hook the laptop to it?

GymBrat98
01-20-2010, 05:49 PM
Thanks jkkyler =)

Ok SantaPimp27 Plasma seems the way to go if I focus on size and quality maintaining the budget, but the burn in issue is still bothering me, will it burn in the image if I hook the laptop to it?

Hi Infected,:hithere: If you're going to spend a good amount of time on the internet get an LCD, if not get a Plasma. I have mine hooked up to a 42" LCD. My blacks are pretty good too!


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/LIovemykittez/FILE0021-2.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/LIovemykittez/FILE0017.jpg

SantaPimp27
01-20-2010, 05:51 PM
^ the black sidebars in the top photo their look terrible. nowhere near black

Thanks jkkyler =)

Ok SantaPimp27 Plasma seems the way to go if I focus on size and quality maintaining the budget, but the burn in issue is still bothering me, will it burn in the image if I hook the laptop to it?

if you are going to spend a lot of time on the internet, i would get an lcd. if you are hooking it up to play movies or games from your laptop, then you will be fine

GymBrat98
01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
^ the black sidebars in the top photo their look terrible. nowhere near black



if you are going to spend a lot of time on the internet, i would get an lcd. if you are hooking it up to play movies or games from your laptop, then you will be fine

You cant's judge my blacks from the SS. I posted the pics to show my setup to the OP, not you!

InfectedDAS
01-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Wow GymBrat98 that's a nice setup, I suspect your audio experience is amazing to, and >42" is definitely the way to go.

That's a tough one SantaPimp27 I guess I can't have everything, sigh. Is it browsing/homework vs gaming/movies... hard one, but I guess I'll go for the second one this time.
Aren't Plasmas troublesome on high pressure places? What about dry and hot ones, where I live the temperature can rise up to 41° C, the average temperature is >32° C I guess.

Plasmas or LCD aren't affected in some way but that temps, right? I mean 37-41° for at least 2.5 months.

SantaPimp27
01-20-2010, 07:04 PM
You cant's judge my blacks from the SS. I posted the pics to show my setup to the OP, not you!

dont worry im not hating. usually tho blacks show up darker on camera than they really are. its a killer setup. no worries

SantaPimp27
01-20-2010, 07:08 PM
Here are some screenshots i took of the plasma. the first two are for black levels.

videobruce
01-21-2010, 07:27 AM
Its O.K. You can use PFC'sA a "PFC" is exactly what?? :confused:

BTW, Name brand sets have dropped enough in price, there is no need to revert to a 'no name', as in a 'house' brand with limited warranty (if any).

pappylap
01-21-2010, 07:37 AM
Hey Bruce, PFC is one of our long time members and one of the moderators.
Hence, I suggested in a joking manner that the OP could use PFC's credit card...

I hope this clears it up for you, I know some people have difficulty understanding simple things...
One would think this would have made it quite clear......
http://www.highdefforum.com/992626-post5.html

videobruce
01-21-2010, 07:50 AM
Hence, I suggested in a joking manner that the OP could use PFC's credit card...It appeared as a reference to some other payment method.One would think this would have made it quite clear......I missed his reply. My bad.

InfectedDAS
02-14-2010, 10:12 PM
I know it's been a while now, but school and work got quite hardcore lately, it's gonna be "calm" for a week or two.... I hope, so back into topic, thanks for all the replies, suggestions and opinions, I've decided I'll go with a 42" LCD @ 60Hz :D

The one I've put my eyes on is a Toshiba - 40" (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+40%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9034626.p?id=1218011400290&skuId=9034626)

Any thoughts about it?

I'll be getting it on late March

thanks