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LG SL90/LH90 vs Samsung B6000/B7000?

TameU
01-10-2010, 07:16 AM
Hi all,

I'm currently on the search for a new TV.
I'm considering the above series.

The advantage of Samsung is that I can get the same visual quality of the B7000 with the cheaper B6000 (although with a few less input ports).

Anyone has an opinion about this comparison?

Thanks,
Tom

PFC5
01-10-2010, 07:34 AM
If you like the quality and don't need the extra features then I guess just get the B6000.

AS far as comparisons of Samsung vs LG, I would choose Samsung any day over LG.

My personal opinion from looking at the LED based LCDs is that they are overpriced for the PQ you get. If you are in a very bright room then you are stuck with LCD instead of plasma, but the PQ will be lower and the viewing angles will be worse and you will pay more for those issues.

Hope this helps!

Loves2Watch
01-10-2010, 08:11 AM
You also might want to consider the Toshiba Regza line of LCD displays. I believe them to be the best available, currently.

TameU
01-10-2010, 09:06 AM
The 40" B6000 can be had for around $1200 (US). Which 40" plasma would you choose for this price range (I do have some flexibility in the room's lighting)?

Loves2Watch
01-10-2010, 09:53 AM
The 40" B6000 can be had for around $1200 (US). Which 40" plasma would you choose for this price range (I do have some flexibility in the room's lighting)?

The 42" Panasonic S1 or G10. Much better picture depth, black level and off axis viewing than with any of the LCD panels mentioned. No motion blur/smear either.

PFC5
01-10-2010, 01:07 PM
The 42" Panasonic S1 or G10. Much better picture depth, black level and off axis viewing than with any of the LCD panels mentioned. No motion blur/smear either.

Yup. I agree.

pappylap
01-10-2010, 04:17 PM
http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/106764-anyone-about-post-please-help-me-decide-thread.html

TameU
01-11-2010, 12:11 PM
The 42" Panasonic S1 or G10. Much better picture depth, black level and off axis viewing than with any of the LCD panels mentioned. No motion blur/smear either.

I could probably fit the P42G10 into my budget.
Only two aspects still worry me about going the plasma way:
1. How's reliability of the Panasonic plasmas compared to the Samsung leds/lcds (I've owned a couple of Panasonic VCRs and wasn't too happy with their reliability)?
2. I'm probably not informed enough of the current state of the burn-in issue with the plasmas, as no current technology comparison/debate seem to point to this as a possible disadvantage for the plasmas. Is this an invalid issue which belongs to past models? Is it handled in such a way that I shouldn't change my viewing behavior (like making sure not to forget a still picture running for a long period, or not to view content with static sections for too long)?

Loves2Watch
01-11-2010, 01:52 PM
I could probably fit the P42G10 into my budget.
Only two aspects still worry me about going the plasma way:
1. How's reliability of the Panasonic plasmas compared to the Samsung leds/lcds (I've owned a couple of Panasonic VCRs and wasn't too happy with their reliability)? Panasonic plasma TV's are rated at 100,000 hour lifespan. That is much longer than any LCD.
2. I'm probably not informed enough of the current state of the burn-in issue with the plasmas, as no current technology comparison/debate seem to point to this as a possible disadvantage for the plasmas. Is this an invalid issue which belongs to past models? Is it handled in such a way that I shouldn't change my viewing behavior (like making sure not to forget a still picture running for a long period, or not to view content with static sections for too long)?

The burn in issue and image retention issues are almost a thing of the past. Once your new plasma is broken in (aging all of the cells evenly) for 150 to 200 hours, those are concerns of the past.

As for gaming, my plasma TV's are exceptional and give much better shadow detail than my LCD displays do to the point that I can see enemies hiding on the plasma where on the LCD they are not visible. Motion blur and lag time are not issues with plasma either as they are with LCD.

Hope this helps.

TameU
01-12-2010, 02:26 AM
The burn in issue and image retention issues are almost a thing of the past. Once your new plasma is broken in (aging all of the cells evenly) for 150 to 200 hours, those are concerns of the past.

As for gaming, my plasma TV's are exceptional and give much better shadow detail than my LCD displays do to the point that I can see enemies hiding on the plasma where on the LCD they are not visible. Motion blur and lag time are not issues with plasma either as they are with LCD.

Hope this helps.

I'll try to get a demonstration of the G10 besides the B6000 and then decide.
Thanks for the info!

Tom

Loves2Watch
01-12-2010, 08:57 AM
I'll try to get a demonstration of the G10 besides the B6000 and then decide.
Thanks for the info!

Tom

Only if the comparison is done is your home would it be valid! Comparing TV technologies in a store is a futile effort at best as they use mercury vapor or sodium pressure and some other high intensity lighting which in no way compares to the lighting in your home. It favors LCD panels because of their excessively high brightness but crushes the most important black levels. Take a plasma home, you do have 30 days to return it if you don't like it but believe me you will. Once setup in your home, you, your family and friends will be amazed at the quality, detail, depth and shadow detail that only a plasma TV can produce.

pappylap
01-12-2010, 09:49 AM
Once setup in your home, you, your family and friends will be amazed at the quality, detail, depth and shadow detail that only a plasma TV can produce.

Spoken like a true salesperson.......:D

PFC5
01-12-2010, 12:27 PM
But accurate and correct.

I found this to be true when I bought my last two LCDs. The issues I see at home with my LCds were not noticeable in the utra bright stores which is WHY I am sold on plasmas now.

TameU
01-13-2010, 06:49 AM
Only if the comparison is done is your home would it be valid! Comparing TV technologies in a store is a futile effort at best as they use mercury vapor or sodium pressure and some other high intensity lighting which in no way compares to the lighting in your home. It favors LCD panels because of their excessively high brightness but crushes the most important black levels. Take a plasma home, you do have 30 days to return it if you don't like it but believe me you will. Once setup in your home, you, your family and friends will be amazed at the quality, detail, depth and shadow detail that only a plasma TV can produce.

How would you compare the details/sharpness of the Samsung led (B6000) vs that of the Panasonic G10?
I've read about people feeling that the Samsung led are too sharp and bright to the point of eye fatigue or even nausea. How much of an issue do you think this sharpness/brightness "wow" effect (which might be impressive in the store) could be for the average viewer? Maybe it's too much to handle for the regular daily viewing?

SantaPimp27
01-13-2010, 07:24 AM
How would you compare the details/sharpness of the Samsung led (B6000) vs that of the Panasonic G10?
I've read about people feeling that the Samsung led are too sharp and bright to the point of eye fatigue or even nausea. How much of an issue do you think this sharpness/brightness "wow" effect (which might be impressive in the store) could be for the average viewer? Maybe it's too much to handle for the regular daily viewing?

first of all you will have to turn the brightness down when you get home in order to correctly calibrate the tv. and ive heard of people getting headaches or getting sick from the brightness of the screen.

many people return them because they are too fatiguing to watch in home lighting.

plasma's are very natural looking. i doubt you will not get fatigued watching them. the pq on the g10 will be better than on the sammy led/lcd. the black levels, shadow detail, motion handling, and viewing angles will also be much better.

Loves2Watch
01-13-2010, 12:12 PM
How would you compare the details/sharpness of the Samsung led (B6000) vs that of the Panasonic G10?
I've read about people feeling that the Samsung led are too sharp and bright to the point of eye fatigue or even nausea. How much of an issue do you think this sharpness/brightness "wow" effect (which might be impressive in the store) could be for the average viewer? Maybe it's too much to handle for the regular daily viewing?

LCD TV's can be overly bright to the point of eye fatigue and possibly eye damage but it can be turned down. Now as to the comparison, the plasma looks more natural, like real life with a depth that cannot be reproduced by LCD because of the technology differences.

Personally I prefer the look and depth of plasma as it looks less artificial and more like the CRT TV's of yesteryear, that is smooth, even graduation, color depth and a presence that a flat crystal LCD just cant produce.


Did that help?

TameU
01-15-2010, 01:36 PM
LCD TV's can be overly bright to the point of eye fatigue and possibly eye damage but it can be turned down. Now as to the comparison, the plasma looks more natural, like real life with a depth that cannot be reproduced by LCD because of the technology differences.

Personally I prefer the look and depth of plasma as it looks less artificial and more like the CRT TV's of yesteryear, that is smooth, even graduation, color depth and a presence that a flat crystal LCD just cant produce.


Did that help?

I do understand how plasma colors are more natural and the brightness isn't fatiguing like it is in the Samsung leds, but the Samsung led's sharpness and detail level can't be a negative thing (unless you prefer to see Cathrine Zeta-Gones without wrinkles). Can I expect to see the same level of sharpness and details in the G10?

SantaPimp27
01-15-2010, 01:51 PM
pq will be better on the g10 then on the led set. pq is picture quality. this means that the g10 will look better than the led.

faces will appear more natural. you will see the wrinkles and pock marks and all the imperfections on peoples faces. you will see just as many, if not more details on the plasma

the only area where lcd tv's can compete with plasma's IMO is when viewing animated content in HD.

TameU
01-20-2010, 04:55 AM
I'm now the proud owner of a new Panasonic P42G10 TV :)
Haven't received it yet, so I still haven't tested it in my own living room.

Thank you all for your advices!!!

Loves2Watch
01-20-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm now the proud owner of a new Panasonic P42G10 TV :)
Haven't received it yet, so I still haven't tested it in my own living room.

Thank you all for your advices!!!

Please let us know how wowed you are by the picture...

PFC5
01-20-2010, 04:48 PM
Congrats on your new toy! :yippee:

I am sure you will love it but please post back with what you think and if we can answer questions for you to help you get the most out of it.

TameU
02-16-2010, 07:54 AM
Thanks for the congrats, but just saw this review:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42G10-42-Inch-Plasma/product-reviews/B001UAEWSU/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
Over the past month people have been discovering that their 2008 and 2009 Panasonic televisions are no longer performing how they were meant to perform. One of the major reasons why the Panasonic plasmas are (actually now "were") considered so fantastic is because they had excellent black levels, meaning the blacks look really black.

Well that's no longer the case because after a few hundred hours the black levels double and triple to a point where even a mid-range LCD beats it. Panasonic issued a statement that they knew the issue existed and that they were investigating it. Well today they issued a statement that the issue has been reviewed and that there will be NO FIX.

Now to be fair, black levels do rise slightly over time, but they do not double and triple. In fact the Panasonic Plasmas from 2007 do not have this problem. To further prove this, a 2007 Panasonic Plasma after a couple thousand hours of use has BETTER blacks than a 2009 Panasonic Plasma after a couple thousand hours of use.

When Panasonic was asked about this, they said they were constantly "updating" their products. That's good, but basically they are doing a bait and switch on you. They brought down the black levels so they could sell you the television and hope that you don't realize that their newer sets will look worse than their older sets after less than a year of use.

The 2009 Panasonic sets look fantastic till this happens, but once it happens they look worse than 2007 models.

:eek: :mad: :banghead:

Anyone knows anything about this?
Am I supposed to consider my fresh investment to have gone down the drain?

Loves2Watch
02-16-2010, 05:09 PM
Thanks for the congrats, but just saw this review:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42G10-42-Inch-Plasma/product-reviews/B001UAEWSU/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar


:eek: :mad: :banghead:

Anyone knows anything about this?
Am I supposed to consider my fresh investment to have gone down the drain?

Nope, just alarmists speaking. If there is a problem with your TV call Panasonic and they will handle it for you, without hesitation...

PFC5
02-16-2010, 09:43 PM
Thanks for the congrats, but just saw this review:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42G10-42-Inch-Plasma/product-reviews/B001UAEWSU/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar


:eek: :mad: :banghead:

Anyone knows anything about this?
Am I supposed to consider my fresh investment to have gone down the drain?

I agree that there are many people being very alarmed needlessly about this. This is taking on a life of it's own it seems with first people chatting about black levels being elevated and then doubling, and now they are saying they have tripled. :lol:

Before you know it someone will say they have quadrupled. :D

I have a 2008 Panasonic plasma and have no such issues with elevated black levels. Has it changed a little? I would say likely but I never noticed it until reading about this and hearing that they are designed to get slightly lighter over time, so the same is likely true with mine, but they are still excellent on mine, and much better than either of my LCDs and that is with well over 6,000 hours on mine now.

I do think there are a few units that are defective and if I owned one of those I WOULD get Panasonic to fix it.

TameU
03-10-2010, 04:24 AM
I agree that there are many people being very alarmed needlessly about this. This is taking on a life of it's own it seems with first people chatting about black levels being elevated and then doubling, and now they are saying they have tripled. :lol:

Before you know it someone will say they have quadrupled. :D

I have a 2008 Panasonic plasma and have no such issues with elevated black levels. Has it changed a little? I would say likely but I never noticed it until reading about this and hearing that they are designed to get slightly lighter over time, so the same is likely true with mine, but they are still excellent on mine, and much better than either of my LCDs and that is with well over 6,000 hours on mine now.

I do think there are a few units that are defective and if I owned one of those I WOULD get Panasonic to fix it.

How can I find how many hours my TV has been in use?
Any suggestions on how I should tweak its settings?

Thanks

PFC5
03-10-2010, 11:19 AM
To check the hours you need to go into the dangerous service menu and this could void your warranty. I really wish mfg would put this in the user menus for obvious reasons. It would make life simpler for customers.

Click on my "SETTINGS" link in my signature for info. ;)

TameU
03-14-2010, 11:03 AM
To check the hours you need to go into the dangerous service menu and this could void your warranty. I really wish mfg would put this in the user menus for obvious reasons. It would make life simpler for customers.

Click on my "SETTINGS" link in my signature for info. ;)

Thanks for all the help! :)