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60hz vs 120hz (I'm worried about game lag.)

alucardrevived
01-03-2010, 09:06 PM
My TV Usage:
70% Video Games
10% Blue Ray/DVD
10% Standard Cable TV
10% Computer

I've done my research and I know the difference between 60hz and 120hz.

I'm worried that if I get 120hz There might be some lag playing games on my PS3. I know movies will look "better" or correct. As I have never watched movies at correct framerate really and I'm used to 3:2 pulldown.

Now 60hz I wont have to worry about any lag as the TV will be display it's exact framerate. (games in 30/60fps) But I will have to watch movies in the "inferior" 3:2 pulldown. (Although I am used to it and don't know any better)

TV's (Both the same price, and both on NEWEGG)

SCEPTRE 46" 16:9 6ms 1080p LCD HDTV X46BV-FullHD (60Hz and PIP)
vs.
SCEPTRE 46" 16:9 6ms 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV X460BV-F120

:helpme

What should I get?

mbec2
01-03-2010, 09:18 PM
My TV Usage:
70% Video Games
10% Blue Ray/DVD
10% Standard Cable TV
10% Computer

I've done my research and I know the difference between 60hz and 120hz.

I'm worried that if I get 120hz There might be some lag playing games on my PS3. I know movies will look "better" or correct. As I have never watched movies at correct framerate really and I'm used to 3:2 pulldown.

Now 60hz I wont have to worry about any lag as the TV will be display it's exact framerate. (games in 30/60fps) But I will have to watch movies in the "inferior" 3:2 pulldown. (Although I am used to it and don't know any better)

TV's (Both the same price, and both on NEWEGG)

SCEPTRE 46" 16:9 6ms 1080p LCD HDTV X46BV-FullHD (60Hz and PIP)
vs.
SCEPTRE 46" 16:9 6ms 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV X460BV-F120

:helpme

What should I get?

Uh, it has lag. I grew used to my old Sammy's lcd lag. But after getting My Panasonic G10, I can not go back for gaming. The lag on lcd is quite bad. 120hz is even WORSE.

BeeF
01-03-2010, 09:46 PM
If it's lag your worried about plasma is going to be your best option. It's also the best option for almost any other reason.

As LCD's go I wouldn't get a Sceptre. Toshiba's, Samsungs, and Sony are the best if you ask me, I would even get a Vizio over a Sceptre.

alucardrevived
01-03-2010, 10:02 PM
Regarding to Plasma... as good as anti-burn-in is getting with me playing a video game 10 hours straight with the same HUD on screen it would seem that it would get burnt in...


LCD Lag, if it's really that bad are there certain brands or models that are better for gamming? Or is plasma the only hope?

BeeF
01-03-2010, 10:08 PM
Regarding to Plasma... as good as anti-burn-in is getting with me playing a video game 10 hours straight with the same HUD on screen it would seem that it would get burnt in...


LCD Lag, if it's really that bad are there certain brands or models that are better for gamming? Or is plasma the only hope?

As long is it's properly broken in you don't even have to think about the burn in.

I can't really say with any certainty about whether or not some LCD's handle lag better than others. I would however make a guess that for the most part the better the brand the better it would be. Some LCD's have a game mode which helps to eliminate such issues, however it does not entirely get rid of it.

I personally would still get a plasma.

And no offense... but do you honestly sit there and play video games for 10 hours straight everyday without taking a break?

alucardrevived
01-03-2010, 10:19 PM
I personally would still get a plasma.

And no offense... but do you honestly sit there and play video games for 10 hours straight everyday without taking a break?

No. lol I just want to be sure. As for how much I play my wife and I alternate. Also I play poker for a living and might want to hook it up to my computer and grind(play) all day on it.

As for getting a plasma:

Panasonic VIERA 42" 720p 600Hz Plasma HDTV TC-P42X1 $600
SAMSUNG 42" 720p 600Hz Plasma HDTV PN42B450 $625
Panasonic VIERA 42" 1080p 600Hz Plasma HDTV TC-P42G10 $865
Panasonic VIERA 46" 1080p 600Hz Plasma HDTV TC-P46S1 $975

BeeF
01-03-2010, 10:53 PM
For plasma I would say get that S1. However, playing poker all day on it would be a definite no go for plasma, because for the most part that's just one big static image on the screen. That's something that would result in burn in.

alucardrevived
01-03-2010, 11:14 PM
For plasma I would say get that S1. However, playing poker all day on it would be a definite no go for plasma, because for the most part that's just one big static image on the screen. That's something that would result in burn in.

In that case I'm definitely going with LCD

I'm about to make my order on the following.

TOSHIBA 40" 16:9 8ms 1080p LCD HDTV 40RV525R $600

-Highest and best reviewed TV on NewEgg.
-60Hz > 120hz (to reduce lag)
-Has Game Mode (reduces lag even more)
-LCD > Plasma in cas eof heavy computer use.
-Toshiba $600 40'' > Scepter $730 46'' or Scepter $500 40''because of brand

PFC5
01-04-2010, 12:31 AM
The 2009 Toshiba LCDs are best of class from what I have seen in the stores. Good choice.

alucardrevived
01-04-2010, 01:29 AM
Thanks for the help everyone. :thumbsup:

Halo360Fan
01-04-2010, 02:52 AM
I have gamed on a lcd and a plasma as I have owned both kinds of TVS and I never noticed anything between the two. I have never experienced game lag with my samsung lcd. I did not notice a difference with plasma either but thats just me. If you go with lcd please dont get a scepter I have had a friend that went through 3 40' scepters in the past 5 months. He is now happy with his 40' toshiba. For LCD go for Samsung or Toshiba if your going for a plasma go with Panasonic.

mbec2
01-04-2010, 08:17 AM
Generally, the btter the picture, the worse the lag. Samsung is the worst when it comes to game lag, but that isn't always the case (e.g. Toshibas look better than LG etc...). But I think Samsung has the best picture though. I did research before I bought my plasma, as I was originally going to get an lcd, here is what I found.


Order: Best to worst for game input lag on Game Mode.

1-Toshiba
2-Sharp
3-LG
4-Sony
5-Samsung.


The better the picture generally means the worse the lag. That's why I went with plasma for the first time. I refuse the sacrifice picture quality to play a game online.

BeeF
01-04-2010, 05:36 PM
I'm not really all that sensitive to lag I have never noticed it. When I first gamed on LCD's though after coming from CRT's I noticed it a bit. I had a tendency to not do as well in Halo 3 for a few weeks but it's something I got used to.

scottysxc
02-21-2011, 04:24 PM
excuse me im brand new here but wouldnt online game play lag due to network latency totally eclipse hdtv input lag? i mean if youre talking on the order of 10ms at most that a tv takes to process and display an image (most are on the order of about 5-8 with amazing being about 2) then the latency on average of say 80ms from your network would be a much bigger issue.

a great latency rating from a reputable isp is about 40ms or so on an amazing day with nothing else using the network. even then, a mediocre tv would only account for about 1/6th of the total lag.

a lot of people that are in dorms or apartments or someone elses home are totally at the mercy of the degree of concern that the person paying the bill has for their connection. their latency can be upwards of 100ms on a good day.

i just dont think it matters how quickly your tv responds. id choose picture quality all day and every day over a measly difference of like 5ms bis response time of a television. id rather pay a little more per month for a better or different internet connection.

all of this aside, youre truly at the almighty mercy of the latency in game servers, and client side latency of all parties involved in any game. with all this in mind, for the love of jesus/allah/yahweh etc., at least have your games look their best if youre inevitably going to make no difference in the grand scheme of how your online game/server responds.