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Anti-Image Retention on G15: Periodic vs Automatic

mannetti21
12-21-2009, 08:41 PM
I've been looking for some more info about these settings but haven't been able to find anything in detail.



1) I'm assuming the Periodic setting will shift the image at the user defined time interval. But how many pixels is the image shifted? For how long? I'm guessing that there is some downside to pixel shifting every 1minute, because if there wasn't, why would any choose every 4 minutes instead???

2) As for the Automatic setting, what exactly does this mean? How does the TV "know" when a pixel shift is necessary?

3) Finally, which is better?

PFC5
12-21-2009, 09:19 PM
I set everything for 1 minute when gaming and choose automatic for everything else like TV channels & BD movies.

The chip inside the TV has a timer to do this as instructed. I NEVER see the pixels actually shift myself, so either setting is fine IMO.

mbec2
12-22-2009, 12:34 AM
I set everything for 1 minute when gaming and choose automatic for everything else like TV channels & BD movies.

The chip inside the TV has a timer to do this as instructed. I NEVER see the pixels actually shift myself, so either setting is fine IMO.


I have a new G10, and would also like more info on this subject. I will be doing lots of gaming, and I have just started the break in process yesterday, and will stop at the 150 hour mark. Anyone else have any more info on this?

Techlord
12-22-2009, 01:18 AM
I have a new G10, and would also like more info on this subject. I will be doing lots of gaming, and I have just started the break in process yesterday, and will stop at the 150 hour mark. Anyone else have any more info on this?

I would shoot for the 200 hour mark if I were you!

mbec2
12-22-2009, 01:59 AM
I would shoot for the 200 hour mark if I were you!


Oh the agony :eek:! But it will be worth it I suppose? :confused:

Edit: I am also using Vivid during the break in process. Is this the correct picture setting to use while breaking a plasma in?

Loves2Watch
12-22-2009, 02:10 AM
Oh the agony :eek:! But it will be worth it I suppose? :confused:

Edit: I am also using Vivid during the break in process. Is this the correct picture setting to use while breaking a plasma in?

No, use cinema or THX...

PFC5
12-22-2009, 02:13 AM
Only use vivid mode if you are using the breakin picture slides. If watching regular content then use Cinema mode with the picture/contrast setting at 50%

Techlord
12-22-2009, 02:28 AM
Oh the agony :eek:! But it will be worth it I suppose? :confused:

Edit: I am also using Vivid during the break in process. Is this the correct picture setting to use while breaking a plasma in?

No, how many hours do you have on Vivid mode?

Home Theater Magazine
If you limit the time you spend viewing still images, avoid ultra-bright modes like Vivid, and are extra cautious during the first 100 to 200 hours of the set’s life (the phosphors are most prone to permanent burn-in when they’re new), you shouldn’t experience any problems.

JohnJSal
12-22-2009, 07:22 PM
I'm using Standard to break mine in. Is that fine? Standard was the default profile and it already had brightness and contrast set to 50.

mannetti21
12-22-2009, 09:29 PM
The chip inside the TV has a timer to do this as instructed. I NEVER see the pixels actually shift myself, so either setting is fine IMO.

So Auto is based on a timer?...but any idea what the actual time is? Just seems redundant to have 2 or 3 user defined time intervals, then an Auto setting that is simply an undisclosed time interval...seems there has to be some other variable involved.

Oh the agony :eek:! But it will be worth it I suppose? :confused:

Edit: I am also using Vivid during the break in process. Is this the correct picture setting to use while breaking a plasma in?

I did about 120-150hour break in, Vivid with slides overnight, standard with regular viewing...just be sure to occasionally zoom in/out with static TV logos on screen.

Even after about 150hour break-in, I played a 40min game of Madden and had some image retention. Also used the Avia disc this past weekend for the 3rd time and got some moderate retention. I should note that it disappeared much more quickly this last time than it did after the first 80-100hours. Also played Rockband, about 3-5min songs and had some retention, but again, went away after about 10-15min of watching TV.

I'm still gonna aim for another 50-75hours of breakin before I feel totally comfortable playing the above mentioned games. (btw, playing Modern Warfare 2 hasn't caused any problems whatsoever, even during the first 100hours)

PFC5
12-22-2009, 09:50 PM
The AUTO setting moves the pixels every 4 minutes. This was confirmed by Panasonic.

The COD games are great in this regard since they do not leave static images on all the time like some games. Whenever the match ends the HUD goes away. All games should work like this IMO.

Just remember that some modes like VIVID, STANDARD & CUSTOM are much brighter than CINEMA or THX modes so they will be more prone to IR early on even after the break in.

JohnJSal
12-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Just remember that some modes like VIVID, STANDARD & CUSTOM are much brighter than CINEMA or THX modes so they will be more prone to IR early on even after the break in.

Are there any settings we need to look at other than brightness and contrast? I'm using Standard, but the brightness and contrast are both 50. Is there anything else that Cinema or THX does that is better than using Standard?

PFC5
12-22-2009, 11:20 PM
The Gamma on CINEMA is the most accurate and there is no edge enhancement with that mode either. It is the preferred mode at 50% for contrast to break it in with, and then to use at a little higher contrast setting like about 58-60% after break in.

JohnJSal
12-22-2009, 11:27 PM
The Gamma on CINEMA is the most accurate and there is no edge enhancement with that mode either. It is the preferred mode at 50% for contrast to break it in with, and then to use at a little higher contrast setting like about 58-60% after break in.

I don't seem to have "Cinema" mode. Is it the same as THX? I noticed that THX has 100 Contrast though.

Chamillitary
12-22-2009, 11:30 PM
Oh the agony :eek:! But it will be worth it I suppose? http://www.tracker-analytics.com/img/16/dvddance.gif :confused:

Edit: I am also using Vivid during the break in process. Is this the correct picture setting to use while breaking a plasma in?

haha, hang in there bud. You can do it. :thumbsup:

PFC5
12-22-2009, 11:44 PM
Try THX (your model better equivalent of the CINEMA mode) with the contrast at 50-60% and brightness at around 50-60% also.

JohnJSal
12-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Try THX (your model better equivalent of the CINEMA mode) with the contrast at 50-60% and brightness at around 50-60% also.

Thanks, didn't know about that. What's so different about it from Standard? The differences I see are

Color Temp. Warm2 on THX, Normal on Standard
Video NR. Weak on THX, Medium on Standard
Color Mgmt. Off on THX, On on Standard
x.v.Color Disabled on THX, Off on Standard
C.A.T.S. Off on THX, On on Standard

No clue about any of that stuff. It does seem to make the PQ dimmer than Standard.

PFC5
12-23-2009, 12:07 AM
All "enhancements" should be turned off as they do more harm than good. That includes NR, color mgmt, CATS, & xvColor.

Each mode has hidden functions enabled or disabled and the THX is the most accurate and pure picture. It may seem a little dim, but that is how it really should look.

JohnJSal
12-23-2009, 12:10 AM
All "enhancements" should be turned off as they do more harm than good. That includes NR, color mgmt, CATS, & xvColor.

Each mode has hidden functions enabled or disabled and the THX is the most accurate and pure picture. It may seem a little dim, but that is how it really should look.

Thanks. Guess I'm still learning! Glad I learned that while I'm still early in the break-in period! :)

mbec2
12-23-2009, 12:51 AM
Well, I am not going to watch or play anything until my break-in period is completely over. I am only having slides run until it is all done. I was told to use Vivid while running slides because it would age the tv more quickly then using Standard while running slides. It makes sense to me. I just can't wait until its all over. It is very agonizing lol.

PFC5
12-23-2009, 01:06 AM
Well, I am not going to watch or play anything until my break-in period is completely over. I am only having slides run until it is all done. I was told to use Vivid while running slides because it would age the tv more quickly then using Standard while running slides. It makes sense to me. I just can't wait until its all over. It is very agonizing lol.

Use your damn new toy already. How much time do you have with the break in slides? If you already have close to 100 hours, then simply keep contrast at 50% and avoid black bars or pausing with static images for the remainder of the time. What are you going to do if you do not have 200 hour break in hours done before Christmas? Not use it?

Go ahead and enjoy it now. Life is short and who knows where we will be in 2 days. :D :hithere: