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Samsung OLED-TV can compete against LCD in 2013-2014

Lee Stewart
10-29-2009, 11:22 AM
Samsung OLED-TV can compete against LCD in 2013-2014

At FPD International in Japan the vice president Kim from Samsung spoke about the future of OLED-Television. Kim thinks that OLED panels in the size from 40 to 50 inch can compete against LCD technology in 4 to 5 years.

http://www.oled-display.net/samsung-oled-tv-can-compete-against-lcd-in-2013-2014

MikeRox
10-29-2009, 06:09 PM
Excellent. Makes this next year a good time for a new TV then... then get an OLED after that in 2015 or so.

Lee Stewart
10-30-2009, 10:35 AM
LG roadmap predicts 'OLED panels will cost less than LCD panels in 2016'

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/10/30/lg-roadmap-predicts-oled-panels-will-cost-less-than-lcd-panels/

PFC5
10-30-2009, 12:56 PM
Well at least they are starting to give numbers about when they expect OLED, which they have said is cheaper to make, to actually cost less. But I won't hold my breath on this as LCD prices will continue to drop over that 7 year period as well.

Lee Stewart
10-30-2009, 04:00 PM
Well at least they are starting to give numbers about when they expect OLED, which they have said is cheaper to make, to actually cost less. But I won't hold my breath on this as LCD prices will continue to drop over that 7 year period as well.

When OLED hits the marketplace it should command some kind of a premium because it will have a better PQ than is possible from an LCD. But I am talking 20 to 25% - not 300 to 500% :lol:

PFC5
10-30-2009, 05:06 PM
I agree, but currently plasma has "arguably" (not really arguable IMO though) a better picture yet it usually sells for much less than LCD in the same size so eventually I can see there not being much of a premium at all.

Lee Stewart
10-30-2009, 06:12 PM
I agree, but currently plasma has "arguably" (not really arguable IMO though) a better picture yet it usually sells for much less than LCD in the same size so eventually I can see there not being much of a premium at all.

As I understand OLED and after talking to friends who have seen OLED at trade shows, it beats PDP by a wide margin. Even the Kuro's.

PFC5
10-30-2009, 09:02 PM
I have heard that also, but that is besides the point I was making about plasmas having better PQ than LCD but being cheaper than LCD despite that. They do not have to charge more once they recover the R&D costs unless they gouge on prices because they have shown they didn't do it with plasma despite having better PQ than LCD. ;)

Lee Stewart
10-31-2009, 06:34 PM
I have heard that also, but that is besides the point I was making about plasmas having better PQ than LCD but being cheaper than LCD despite that. They do not have to charge more once they recover the R&D costs unless they gouge on prices because they have shown they didn't do it with plasma despite having better PQ than LCD. ;)

IMO, they are trying to keep PDP alive and that is how they are accomplishing that. It isn't necessarily a rule of thumb if I understand your post correctly.

PFC5
10-31-2009, 08:01 PM
What do you mean they are trying to keep plasma alive? IT is a better tech and Panasonic is mostly a plasma mfg and is just getting into LCD now. You really think their major (by a wide %) source of display revenue is losing a lot of money to keep it alive? I disagree.

Lee Stewart
10-31-2009, 09:13 PM
What do you mean they are trying to keep plasma alive? IT is a better tech and Panasonic is mostly a plasma mfg and is just getting into LCD now. You really think their major (by a wide %) source of display revenue is losing a lot of money to keep it alive? I disagree.

PDPs market share continues to fall almost every quarter. It has fallen out of favor with consumers. Having the better PQ has not helped PDP now has it?

Shark2k
10-31-2009, 11:48 PM
As I understand OLED and after talking to friends who have seen OLED at trade shows, it beats PDP by a wide margin. Even the Kuro's.

I know that is not what PFC was talking about, but that is good to hear that it does really look as good as articles written about it have said. Now if they could just get some of the problems solved (mainly the lifespan of I believe the blue OLED) that would be great. I think some scientist have made some progress, but it needs to be something that will not be expensive to accomplish (as I don't really know what they did and how that relates expense-wise).

-Shark2k

bonesdad
12-31-2009, 10:39 PM
PDPs market share continues to fall almost every quarter. It has fallen out of favor with consumers. Having the better PQ has not helped PDP now has it?

Which is strange...a better product at a cheaper price...doesn't make sense, now does it?

PFC5
01-02-2010, 02:06 PM
Which is strange...a better product at a cheaper price...doesn't make sense, now does it?

I think part of it is poor marketing by the plasma makers. They really need to be promoting the strengths of PDP over LCD, but the problem is that all the PDP makers also make LCDs, so they would be cutting their own throat on their higher markup LCD displays explaining the faults with LCD that PDP resolves and at a cheaper price.

I can understand why Samsung and LG don't do this as they make LCDs in the larger sizes that compete with plasma, but Panasonic has limited the sizes of their LCd models to pretty much mostly smaller than 42" plasma sizes for their LCD models.

I think Panasonic should be going crazy with ads explaining the poor viewing angles, poor black levels and overall poorer motion handling of LCD so that people understand WHY plasma is in most cases the better choice.

The_Omega_Man
01-03-2010, 09:32 PM
I think that Panasonic really knows what the future is. And I think that they know that Plasma is not it. :what:

Here in "kail-fornia," the powers that be, are looking to make life even harder for the producers of large format Plasmas displays, with tighter energy efficiency requirements and standards.

Personally, I believe OLED will supplant the need/desire for Plasma & LCD, IF it can be reliably and affordably mass produced and it's longevity extended.

PFC5
01-03-2010, 11:12 PM
It figures that Cali would be doing something like this. Plasma when properly calibrated uses close to the same power as an LCD does in the same size. This has already been shown, and it is no surprise that politicians have no clue what they vote for. They likely see the total maximum power output possible and thing that is what it always uses. :banghead:

Atticus
01-04-2010, 11:33 AM
My 2004 Samsung TX-P3071 TV started behaving strangely yesterday.

It was fine. Then I turned it off and left the house for about an hour. When I returned I heard a steady clicking sound coming from the TV. Then I moved closer and realized that the red On/Off light and the other illuminated touch buttons on the front panel were flickering and clicking, as if a "ghost" were quickly and steadily turning the TV on and off and on and off.

This did not stop until I unplugged the TV.

Any suggestions as to what might be wrong and if/how I can fix it without using a repair service?

Thanks!
Atticus

Atticus
01-04-2010, 12:28 PM
UPDATE: I'm now able to turn the TV on, but it shuts itself off after about 30 seconds. HELP!

Shark2k
01-04-2010, 02:11 PM
UPDATE: I'm now able to turn the TV on, but it shuts itself off after about 30 seconds. HELP!

Wrong section. Put this in the Flat Panel TVs section.

-Shark2k

PFC5
05-28-2010, 11:53 PM
Bump with updated info from Samsung:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364187,00.aspFor TVs, Kim said, the market needs a new "growth driver" following LED and 3D, and he pushed active-matrix OLEDs as that driver. AMOLEDs are very "green" and have a much faster response time than plasma or LCD screens. This makes them particularly suited for 3D TVs, where they can produce "frame by frame sequential" images without the "cross-talk" visible on some LCDs.

According to Kim, OLEDs are already good enough for mobile phones and TVs but will get notably better in the next few years. He noted that Samsung is already producing OLEDs in a Gen 4.5 factory, which is the major OLED factory in the world, and has recently announced a $2.2 billion Generation 5.5 factory. This factory produces 2.9 times the amount of glass per motherglass as the earlier factory and is slated to start production next year; it will produce 70,000 sheets of motherglass by 2012.

Kim stressed that a Generation 8 factory is essential for making the technology work for the TV market, but this technology is not ready yet. He mentioned technology challenges but sounded optimistic about the technologies that will allow manufacturing of 55-inch displays on a Generation 8 factory.

More in the link.

oblioman
05-31-2010, 06:54 PM
Bump with updated info from Samsung:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364187,00.asp

More in the link.

Now that,,,me could be an early adopter of. Unless North & south Korea blow each other up.

PFC5
09-11-2010, 07:44 AM
Well if each OLED factory gen takes 2 years to go online and the gen 5.5 factory isn't online until 2012, that would put a OLED gen 8 factory (that he says can make OLED TV displays work) at 6 years AFTER 2012 and will happen around 2018. That puts us at 8 years from now if things move at the same pace.

OLED does sound great, but remember that it will also have possible issues with image retention and burn-in like plasma, and I bet the early versions will be more susceptible to that like the earlier versions of plasma were. We could be looking at longer than 2018 before they are affordable AND mature enough to have the masses move to OLED for their TVs. I hope it comes sooner, but like the articles are saying, these mfg want to squeeze everything they can out of the current tech mfg plants before they move to this new tech.