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Final Four: Help me choose my first HDTV Poll

thechamp4ever
10-24-2009, 09:59 PM
Well after much research I've decided on a final four to help me make my final decision on my first HDTV. Have several options (a high end PLASMA, high end LCD, an LED, one 55" LCD) to choose from :)

Needed Background info
*TV will be for my living room
*Will be used mainly for sports (NFL games), onilne gaming
(XBOX360) and watching movies (on PS3 once I purchase one)
*Distance of approximately 10 feet on an agnle (I'd give an overall
range of 9-12 for when guests are over though).
*Several windows located in the room, also when watching sports I
will usually have the lights on in the room
*I'm known to leave my TV on for extended times even when not
watching. I also forget to turn off video game menus or the video
input signal in left hand corner. This is just something that always
ends up happening. Happens on a consistent basis and is usually
left like this for extended periods of time. Still images for large durations of time would be a standard occurence

Final Four
50" Panasonic (#TC-P50G10) 1080p 600 Hz Plasma HDTV Best Buy $1,399

55" Vizio (VF550M) 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV & RCA DVD Home Theater System W/ 1080p Upconvert DVD Player & HDMI Cable Bundle Wal Mart $1,560

46" Bravia XBR (KDL-46XBR9)1080P 240 Hz LCD HDTV w/ Bravia 1000W 5.1-Channel Home theater System and Sony Blu-ray 1080p player $1,799

47" LG 1080p (47LH90) Clearscan 240Hz LCD-LED HDTV $1,399

*If I end up getting one of the two TV's without the Home Theater system I'll just end up buying one down the road (or hope to see if I can squeeze out a good deal when I purchase the TV). Also no matter what TV I get I'll be getting a PS3 for Christmas LOL.

Anyway I'm personally leaning towards the LG LED HDTV. My fear with the plasma is the burn in (since I do leave non moving screens on for long periods of time OFTEN), the angles I watch TV on, and since my room is fairly lighted, especially during sports. I like the Vizio but in terms of quality I feel it falls short when compared to the 240 Hz, the LED, and the Plasma. And the Bravia XBR9 is of great quality and one of the best in terms of LCD's and also comes with the home theater package but it is also the most expensive on my list and the smallest in size.

Let me know what everyone thinks and thanks for everyones HELP!
Dan

Techlord
10-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I would forget about LG period, plasma is not for you either! How many lights in the room are we talking about? Neither of the displays you've mentioned play nice with lots of external light. LED TVs are still in the early stages of it's life, I would drop that off your list as well! Given the displays you have listed the Sony Bravia XBR9 would be on my short list "if" I were you. Sure you'll be missing out on what plasma has to offer, but you leave still images on screen a lot which isn't a good thing!


Drop the Blu-ray player because the PS3 is a very good DVD/BD player!

thechamp4ever
10-24-2009, 10:45 PM
I would forget about LG period, plasma is not for you either! How many lights in the room are we talking about? Neither of the displays you've mentioned play nice with lots of external light. LED TVs are still in the early stages of it's life, I would drop that off your list as well! Given the displays you have listed the Sony Bravia XBR9 would be on my short list "if" I were you. Sure you'll be missing out on what plasma has to offer, but you leave still images on screen a lot which isn't a good thing!


Drop the Blu-ray player because the PS3 is a very good DVD/BD player!

Yeah, I started paying closer attention to the still images and lighting of my house with some alarming results. I know plasma has improved a lot in these regards but I don't think they're in my best interest given my situation.

Do you have any other recommendations since the Bravia was the only one you seemed to like at all from my list.

Also any reasoning for your dislike of the the LG LED's? From the reviews I've read on sites selling LG LED TV's (i.e. Best Buy), CNET staff reviews, CNET user reviews, and first hand opinions from several employees at 2 to 3 Best Buys I've heard a lot of good things on there 2009 models. Very little returns, no major problems, high customer satifisfaction.... Just curious why you've completely sold them off....

Thanks,

smokedizzy42
10-25-2009, 01:01 AM
I just purchased one of these havent gotten it yet but if you want to purchase they have a sell at sears for $1299.
hope you get what your looking for.
here's a link
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775579000P?keyword=panasonic+g10
im not sure how long the sell is going to be for though

thechamp4ever
10-25-2009, 01:38 AM
I'm kind of suprised that even with all my issues with still images and lighting that people are still so quick to choose a Plasma TV, for those selecting plasma would you please elaborate in a post on why this wouldn't scare you off from Plasma? Seems like it would make more of a difference...

Techlord
10-25-2009, 02:02 AM
Yeah, I started paying closer attention to the still images and lighting of my house with some alarming results. I know plasma has improved a lot in these regards but I don't think they're in my best interest given my situation.

First off I voted for the Sony XBR9, because of the viewing habits and viewing environment. I agree, LCDs are best in brighter rooms. Plasma shines in low lit environments, some people prefer a little extra light in their living rooms. Sure plasmas are hard to beat, but I'm going to recommend what I think is best for the individual and his lighting conditions along with the environment. Plasma is not for everyone!

Do you have any other recommendations since the Bravia was the only one you seemed to like at all from my list.

It would be a crime not to mention Samsung's B750 Series 240Hz LCDs, while they have reflective screen it's still worth a look! The Samsung B750 Series have a little more to offer (for a little more $$), some of the deepest black levels for a conventional LCD! The screen uniformity is impressive across the board!

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52b750/4505-6482_7-33490659.html

Also any reasoning for your dislike of the the LG LED's? From the reviews I've read on sites selling LG LED TV's (i.e. Best Buy), CNET staff reviews, CNET user reviews, and first hand opinions from several employees at 2 to 3 Best Buys I've heard a lot of good things on there 2009 models. Very little returns, no major problems, high customer satifisfaction.... Just curious why you've completely sold them off....

Thanks,

With any new technology there will be a few disadvantages, shadow detail, off center viewing and screen uniformity has not been the best. It's not that I don't like LG LEDs, I don't like any brand LED TVs! I to have heard people rave about LED TVs, but once you get it into your home and tone down the contrast and brightness to reasonable levels that's where you notice that they loose there appeal.

Sure they look extremely (thin) colorful and brightly lit, it's eye candy until you realise that's not the way Blu-ray movies (and HD content) were meant to look. When I got my LCD into my home, for the first few nights I noticed my eyes were strained quite a bit. I ended up adjusting it very dim because of my dim room, you can't watch a bright TV in a dimmly lit room. I hope I haven't made things more difficult as this is my honest opinion and experience right here. :D

chinee
10-25-2009, 09:44 AM
I'm kind of suprised that even with all my issues with still images and lighting that people are still so quick to choose a Plasma TV, for those selecting plasma would you please elaborate in a post on why this wouldn't scare you off from Plasma? Seems like it would make more of a difference...
Seven votes for plasma and only 1 plasma response.. kinda makes you wonder if they even bothered to read about your needs and habits.

I was going to vote for the Panny since it's larger than the Sony (size DOES matter), but once I read that it is very likely that you will leave static images displayed, I had to go with the Sony option.

Also, my Panny vote would have had a qualification... glare and reflection would possibly be a problem with a glossy screen, so you had to leave the Sony open as an option since it has a matte screen.

oblioman
10-25-2009, 09:59 AM
both have pros & cons,,but the cons of the plasma can be overcome by a few simple measures. #1 - You say you have several windows in the viewing room,,,use curtains. #2 - When watching sports with the lights on,,,a simple dimmer with shading works well. #3 - you say you are known for leaving your tv on for extended periods of time. This be the simplest fix - turn it off. A simple trade off in habits will more than compensate for buying a tv that measures up rather than just delivering a picture. :2cents

thechamp4ever
10-25-2009, 10:36 AM
I agree, LCDs are best in brighter rooms. Plasma shines in low lit environments, some people prefer a little extra light in their living rooms. Sure plasmas are hard to beat, but I'm going to recommend what I think is best for the individual and his lighting conditions along with the environment. Plasma is not for everyone!

Yeah if it wasn't for how often I leave still images on my TV my choice would be made (Panasonic G10!). But unfortunately I know what will happen and I'm not willing to ruin a thousand dollar TV hoping I can change my bad habits LOL.


It would be a crime not to mention Samsung's B750 Series 240Hz LCDs, while they have reflective screen it's still worth a look! The Samsung B750 Series have a little more to offer (for a little more $$), some of the deepest black levels for a conventional LCD! The screen uniformity is impressive across the board!

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52b750/4505-6482_7-33490659.html

Nice, I actually had this on the list (originally the Final Five!). But after comparing this to Sony's XBR9 I opted for the latter instead. Basically for a hundred extra bucks I get Bravia's Home theater system and a Sony Blu Ray Player (which I'll sell on ebay to make some money back) in addition. Quality wise both seemed liked great deals so I gave the nod to Sony because of the package.


With any new technology there will be a few disadvantages, shadow detail, off center viewing and screen uniformity has not been the best. It's not that I don't like LG LEDs, I don't like any brand LED TVs! I to have heard people rave about LED TVs, but once you get it into your home and tone down the contrast and brightness to reasonable levels that's where you notice that they loose there appeal.

Sure they look extremely (thin) colorful and brightly lit, it's eye candy until you realise that's not the way Blu-ray movies (and HD content) were meant to look. When I got my LCD into my home, for the first few nights I noticed my eyes were strained quite a bit. I ended up adjusting it very dim because of my dim room, you can't watch a bright TV in a dimmly lit room. I hope I haven't made things more difficult as this is my honest opinion and experience right here. :D

I can understand that, maybe I've just blindly fell in love LOL. Actually that's not true, I really blindly fell in love with the new 55" Samsung LED TV! But that went away once I seen the price tag!

Atleast with the 30 day return period, I'm not stuck.

I appreciate all your help, more difficult or not, this is a lot of money so the more thought I put into this the better.

Thanks again

Seven votes for plasma and only 1 plasma response.. kinda makes you wonder if they even bothered to read about your needs and habits.

I was going to vote for the Panny since it's larger than the Sony (size DOES matter), but once I read that it is very likely that you will leave static images displayed, I had to go with the Sony option.

Also, my Panny vote would have had a qualification... glare and reflection would possibly be a problem with a glossy screen, so you had to leave the Sony open as an option since it has a matte screen.

Yeah I'm guessing a lot of people are just clicking without reading, that's why I tried bolding the parts about my situation.

Thanks for the advice, results are not turning out as I had forseen....

both have pros & cons,,but the cons of the plasma can be overcome by a few simple measures. #1 - You say you have several windows in the viewing room,,,use curtains. #2 - When watching sports with the lights on,,,a simple dimmer with shading works well. #3 - you say you are known for leaving your tv on for extended periods of time. This be the simplest fix - turn it off. A simple trade off in habits will more than compensate for buying a tv that measures up rather than just delivering a picture. :2cents

If it were that easy then I wouldn't worry about it. Unfortunately some of us have a bad habit of leaving on still images. It's obviously not something I do intentionally but I know it happens. I'd much rather admit it and not ruin a thousand dollar TV

Thanks for everyones help

Bigloww
10-25-2009, 10:51 AM
I voted for the G10 and at $1299 is very hard to be in most cases. But please elaborate a bit more on "fairly lighted". If you mean that during the day the sunlight in the room is very bright (many windows) and unable to control with blinds perhaps the plasma would not be the best fit. Especially if during the day is where you do a majority of the viewing.
But if the room is more of a controlled lighting enviroment and or late afternoon/evening is the sweet spot, plasma will work quite nicely. Especially since your big into fast action sports and games.

As far as gamming goes.. I been gamming on my 50'' plasma for 4 years now and lovvvvvvve it. More than my 2 LCD's I have. No lag and the PQ is primo. I have been known to leave my 360/wii menu up for a few hours and oncwe or twice overnight (drinking and COD don't mix well all the time:D).. But all consoles now have dimm effect or screensavers now for this reason. Just be a bit extra cautious during the break in period and take it out of torch mode and you will be fine. But if leaving stuff paused for hours/days is usually your gig, perhaps plasma is not the best choice again.


If I had to choose between the 3 LCD's I would go with the Sony XBR as far as overall quality and PQ. The package is sortta a mixed bag with me. The HTIB it comes with is no very good SQ wise and got some pretty bad reviews overall from what I have seen. But at least it has a few digital audio inputs for your PS#/BD and cable box. The BD player is quite good but if you are getting a PS3 soon, it is not really needed. So if the XBR is what you really like, I would recommend getting the set seperately and getting a better quality HTIB and PS3.

PFC5
10-25-2009, 08:19 PM
I chose the Sony LCD given your penchant for leaving game menus up for long periods.

I know on the PS3 you can do a screen saver so it dims after about 15 minutes and you can even set the PS3 to shut off after a certain time period of no activity. Ditto for the Panasonic plasmas. I have those things setup on my plasma & PS3 and have no issues if the kids leave it on like you have done. But you also must properly adjust the picture settings also as part of setting this up.

pappylap
10-26-2009, 10:18 AM
LCD......... you dont want burn-in issues....However Im quite sure all of the xbr series have glass panels so glare is sill a consideration....