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I know it's an LG but...

brohammer
09-29-2009, 10:13 AM
This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32-LCD-Full-HDTV-1080p-1920x1080-3x-HDMI_W0QQitemZ250505703183QQcategoryZ3320QQcmdZVie wItem

daleb
09-29-2009, 10:38 AM
This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32-LCD-Full-HDTV-1080p-1920x1080-3x-HDMI_W0QQitemZ250505703183QQcategoryZ3320QQcmdZVie wItem

I think I would go for a Vizio at Costco for similar price & performance and a much easier transaction. And a hard to beat return policy.

PFC5
09-29-2009, 12:22 PM
A deal is not a deal if you have troubles with the product after buying it. ;)

People who have had first hand experience with LG are the ones who have stated others should avoid LG which includes me. I love a good deal, but a good deal is a good product at a great price for me, and LG (formerly the 4th tier Goldstar) is not a good display product IMO.

I would take Vizio over LG any day.

Halo360Fan
09-29-2009, 01:34 PM
I agree with what others have said stay away from LG!!! My friends that do have LG have all had problems with them.

IGExpandingPan
09-29-2009, 06:24 PM
This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32-LCD-Full-HDTV-1080p-1920x1080-3x-HDMI_W0QQitemZ250505703183QQcategoryZ3320QQcmdZVie wItem

When you take the cost of shipping into account, that bumps you into a $550 bracket. Might as well do as PFC5 suggests and get a vizio from costco. Seriously $540 shipped + tax & that extra year warranty plus 90 day refund/exchange. And it's a larger set too, 37 inches.

37RV525R from bestbuy is $600, the same price the 40 inches were last week. After tax we are talking $100ish more but without a doubt a better set.

wlvca
09-29-2009, 07:19 PM
I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here. :)

I just purchased the LG 60PS60 5 weeks ago - no issues and it was a great deal for a 60" plasma panel with a net cost around $1,300.00

I also have had a 50" LG plasma for 4 1/2 years that I just moved to a secondary location.

Again, no issues with that TV ever.

The pattern on this forum is that whenever a post about an LG TV is made the super moderator and the leading poster always bash away.

This stops any reasonable conversation about LG TV's.

Hey, its OK with me, I just look elsewhere for less biased information.

Every brand has its issues and problems if you look around the internet.

I don't know anything about the particular LG model you are inquiring about so I cannot comment on it.

I also have a Vizio 47" LCD in my bedroom and have not had any issues with that TV either.

I will say that both of my LG plamas have a better picture than the Vizio LCD. I do, however, prefer plasma to LCD so you know my prejudice. Also, the Vizio overscans by design.

I did buy the Vizio at Costco a couple of years ago and that's not a bad way to go.

I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology. That's one of the reasons I look for a best buy for the buck when I purchase. Even if you buy the latest and greatest TV it will be superceded in either picture quality or technolgy in just a short while.

IGExpandingPan
09-29-2009, 07:48 PM
I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here. :)
...

I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology.


Pointing out this LG's price isn't that hot in contrast to other sets which actually have a better picture isn't bashing.

TVs are not exactly disposable. For most people they are a serious long term investment expected to operate at least a decade or more. Even if you are the sort of joe who plans to upgrade every 4 years, there is always a used market for sets. Even among the enthusiasts on this forum, even among those they tend to hang on to the 4 year old sets even if they upgrade.

Technology doesn't change "that" rapidly. Sure, we've had the progression from DVI to DVI with HDCP, to HDMI. We've had 1080i sets followed by 720P sets followed by 1080P sets. But this is the point where the technology is pretty stable, and we were fully aware at the time all these things were "new" that something better was around the corner. 1080i is a broadcast standard, 1080P/24 is rather the bluray standard. The leap to 1080P isn't really that great unless your viewing distance is short, and I see little reason to consider 1440P.

If the LGs are cheap and reliable, great. I lean toward considering last years Toshiba, Samsung, Panasonic before LG or Phillips. If that extra ~$100 or more gets me another 1/2 decade of use, great!

wlvca
09-29-2009, 11:18 PM
How about HDMI 1.4.....

USB 3.0.....

OLED perhaps 2 or 3 or 4 years out.....

3D TV.....

Built in wireless networking..... (LG offers in the USA, Vizio will in a few months)

Built in BlueTooth (LG already offers in Europe).

My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.

The debate is about the last 5% of picture quality (perhaps)

...and perceived reliability.

Of course, the basis for your decision may be different and that's OK. Make the decision that makes the most sense for you.

Staying on the Korean theme, just a few years ago many considered Hyundai cars junk....now some of their vehicles are rated #1 for initial quality and reliability by JD Powers.

However, many still perceive Hyundai's to be lower tier vehicles and its just not the case any longer.

Just politely asking for a little more civility and a little less bashing...

IGExpandingPan
09-30-2009, 12:33 AM
How about HDMI 1.4.....

Doesn't exist yet. Won't affect 1080i broadcast TV. Won't affect existing 1.3 compliant hardware.


USB 3.0.....


WTF? USB 3.0 isn't even released yet. It's downward compatible, at least according to the specs. I won't need a new printer, new mouse, or new anything. I "might" want a new external HD, but that's about it.

OLED perhaps 2 or 3 or 4 years out.....

Which will have NO affect on my DLP, nor my LCD.


3D TV.....


Which would have no affect on 2d TV.


Built in wireless networking..... (LG offers in the USA, Vizio will in a few months)


Which is at best a trivial perk.


Built in BlueTooth (LG already offers in Europe).


Which is useful how? I hate to say it but BlueTooth isn't popular in the states. Odds are you'll be waiting a long time for decent bluetooth support.


My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.


What you're talking about are features, not the actual core display. Well, except 3d which pushes the limits on HDMI 1.3, and would require 120hz support. We've been aware for a long time, 10 years ago, that there was a huge push toward digital TV, and HDCP. TVs without HDMI or digital tuners are still in service. You can buy external digital tuners, use cable, or not use a tuner at all.

For my second set, I was totally looking for 40 inches 720P DVI with HDCP. Simply put, it's all I needed for my other PC. Someone else might want something for their console. I happened to get much more than that, but the fact that you'll own a TV for a short time doesn't mean it should be junked.


The debate is about the last 5% of picture quality (perhaps)

...and perceived reliability.

Of course, the basis for your decision may be different and that's OK. Make the decision that makes the most sense for you.

Or a decsion tat makes the most sense for someon who lives on Earth. I expect a set to last at least a decade. Every CRT I bought except one has lasted at least one decade, most are going on 2. It doesn't matter if I plan to upgrade, just as long as it doesn't hit the landfill.


Staying on the Korean theme, just a few years ago many considered Hyundai cars junk....now some of their vehicles are rated #1 for initial quality and reliability by JD Powers.


I hate to say it, but Hyndai cars were junk. Their PCs were junk, everything they did as pretty junky. They got better. Nothing to do with Korea, everything to do wiht Hyundai.

There are some great products that come from Korea. There is also some junk, but you could say this from any country.

wlvca
09-30-2009, 12:53 AM
Oh boy - to each his own.

Enjoy.

IGExpandingPan
09-30-2009, 01:37 AM
Oh boy - to each his own.

Enjoy.

Seriously, you seem to be under the misguided assumption that a given TV will explode after 4 years, or if it does it's no big deal.

Let's review again.

Bluetooth - The ONLY way I see this being useful is to exchange pics between your HDTV and your camera/phone. This is at best somewhat useful. Any camera worth a damn is going to take SD/xD, and popping out the card and plopping it on the TV, or on your media player, is a little more efficent. I don't see bluetooth being the deal breaker. I can already do this, via my PC, via a HDMI connection.

OLED - This is at least exciting. But again, your set will not explode when this tech becomes mainstream.

USB 3.0 - again presently 2.0 full or high speed tech will not explode or stop working. In fact it will continue to work on USB 3.0, at least that's the idea. You're actually talking to someone who uses firewire, so unless USB offers greater distance over firewire I really don't care.

3D TV - If you want 3D TV, this would require a new set. But it makes more ecconomic sense to sell that old 1080P set to upgrade to 3D TV when it becomes available. A 1080P set will still have value since 720P and 1080i broadcasts are the norm, and will continue to be the norm for some time.

Wireless networking - Limited usefulness at present. Plenty of sets that enjoy wired networking, and given one needs a wifi router anyway to enjoy it, and given the popularity of cable it's pretty much a non issue putting your wifi next to your TV. It may be soon we will have wireless disk players, and that would be awesome. Untill then, wire are hip. But again, the set will not explode, and it makes ecconomic sense to sell that old 1080P set to someone then upgrade, or use that set as a aux set, for games, for PC, whatever.

As soon as more services become available for streaming video, this will be more useful, but at present there are external boxes for this, and PCs.

My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.

You can upgrade a computer. This is a non issue. Displays have ALWAYS been the thing you feel safe spending money on because they hold their value longer, and display technology moves pretty slowly. EVERYTHING you spoke of with the except of 3D can be had as an external upgrade to a given HDTV set. If you're the sort of person who gots to have it now, all on the set, more power too you. Sell me your old set, for less then half the price you paid for it.

And yes, thinking about what I would want is a factor in buying a set, or rather what someone would want in a second hand set when you upgrade. This way it stays out of the landfill, you get money on your new set, and you get a person willing to drag it away for you.:yippee: This is not a trivial consideration when we're talking sets 50 inches and larger.

PFC5
09-30-2009, 02:10 AM
I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here. :)

I just purchased the LG 60PS60 5 weeks ago - no issues and it was a great deal for a 60" plasma panel with a net cost around $1,300.00

I also have had a 50" LG plasma for 4 1/2 years that I just moved to a secondary location.

Again, no issues with that TV ever.

The pattern on this forum is that whenever a post about an LG TV is made the super moderator and the leading poster always bash away.

This stops any reasonable conversation about LG TV's.

Hey, its OK with me, I just look elsewhere for less biased information.

Every brand has its issues and problems if you look around the internet.

I don't know anything about the particular LG model you are inquiring about so I cannot comment on it.

I also have a Vizio 47" LCD in my bedroom and have not had any issues with that TV either.

I will say that both of my LG plamas have a better picture than the Vizio LCD. I do, however, prefer plasma to LCD so you know my prejudice. Also, the Vizio overscans by design.

I did buy the Vizio at Costco a couple of years ago and that's not a bad way to go.

I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology. That's one of the reasons I look for a best buy for the buck when I purchase. Even if you buy the latest and greatest TV it will be superceded in either picture quality or technolgy in just a short while.

How is it bashing to give my own personal experiences with LG IF (as is true with me) I went through 5 LG DLP displays trying to get one that worked correctly and didn't have varying PQ issues on all of them? How can telling about the same kind of issues my friend had with 1 LG DLP, & 2 LG plasmas? That he had amazingly quick showing of Image Retention with his plasmas that would show the remnants of the TV's own menu screens after less than 1 minute of that menu being on the screen and this was over 1 year after he had it and properly broke it in? How about the 4 pixels on his last LG plasma that blinked red after about a year and it started with the first pixel blinking red after only about 3 months and every couple of months it seemed that another new pixel popped up as bad?

So just because you own an LG display I should not post MY experience when asked, and should lie when they ask for honest opinions? Sorry, but I just cannot do that as I would be lying and I do not do that.

I am glad you love LG and your LG displays, but just because YOU have had good luck doesn't mean everyone else must love LG displays despite have bad issues with them. I do own several LG CD/DVD burners in my computer and those work fine. Does that help?

Stating ones own personal experiences is NOT bashing but relaying own own experiences & opinions which is what we were asked to do. ;)

Oh, and the bias some have is that they paid good money for an LG product and it didn't work as it should. Bias is normal and bad experiences would naturally produce a bias against the product/brand that gave such an experience. You ALSO have a bias FOR LG but apparently having a positive bias is ok, but a negative is not?

Techlord
09-30-2009, 05:19 AM
Boy am I glad I didn't give my opinion about LG displays, if I had it would have been bashing. You seem to be taking all this personally, please grow up!

1happyguy
09-30-2009, 07:01 AM
I am not saying that LG sucks!! But, I have seen people who have had problems with them. What is ever in your price range is what you can afford. But, in the long run if you can spring for something a bit more you MAY be better off in the long run!! But you can get way better tvs at BB right now for the same amount of money!!

Loves2Watch
09-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Hey, if you want to purchase a Lethargic Gonads TV, that is up to you but they're are much better brands for the same or less money available. I believe this is the point others are making here.

cjberk
09-30-2009, 08:21 AM
I have two LG's a 37 and a 47, the 37 just broke after 4 years and the BIG problem is that the TV won't accept a remote. (I mean just broke as in a few days ago)if the repair is cheap, then it's not a big deal...the 47 is 2 years old and came defective, so it was replaced within a week of my buying it. But it's been two years since without a single problem.

Would I buy a LG again, depends on what the options are for price. But I'd probably be a sucker and get the extended warranty.

I know people who have had problems with Sony and Vizio etc...it's all about personal experience.

wlvca
09-30-2009, 08:28 AM
Didn't intend to troll so I'll move on.

Peace.

E55 KEV
09-30-2009, 10:20 AM
This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32-LCD-Full-HDTV-1080p-1920x1080-3x-HDMI_W0QQitemZ250505703183QQcategoryZ3320QQcmdZVie wItem


I have nothing against LG and would buy one but if you are looking for a great deal on a 32" 720p the Panasonic TC-L32X1 is $399 and free shipping at Beach Camera:

http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PNTCL32X1

It even comes with an Ipod dock.

brohammer
09-30-2009, 10:44 AM
Wow guys I didn't expect this to turn into such a heated debate. Thanks for all your thoughts though I appreciate it.

I think I'm either going to go with that Panny E55 Kev posted above me or this Toshiba now, which is only $50 more for 1080p. No iPod dock like the Panny, but I can easily go without that.

http://www.electronics-expo.com/index.php?page=item&id=TOS32RV525R

PFC5
09-30-2009, 03:20 PM
I looked at the 720p version of this Toshiba model 32AV502R/32AV52R and also at the 1080p versions and I found that the black levels and viewing angles were better than the other comparably priced LCDs. I thought the picture looked more natural as well which is how I like it to look. I was not very impressed with the Panasonic LCDs I looked at though. Panasonic makes great plasmas but I think they still have some catching up on their LCDs IMO.

Hope this helps!

Techlord
09-30-2009, 04:07 PM
I would recommend a Sharp before I would an LG, I would never recommend an LG when there are better LCDs for the same amount of money. Some people consider that LG bashing, I call it smart shopping. I don't hate LG I just don't like there products, that's just me though.

daleb
09-30-2009, 04:31 PM
I would recommend a Sharp before I would an LG, I would never recommend an LG when there are better LCDs for the same amount of money. Some people consider that LG bashing, I call it smart shopping. I don't hate LG I just don't like there products, that's just me though.


I can't say I would have ever recommended a Sharp over even an LG, but had no interest in either.
Today, I think Sharp has improved markedly, but from reviews I've read, LG has done as well.
I've avoided them just from the number of complaints against the number that are sold. But interestingly, the LG HD duo player was considered better than the one the Samsung had.
The Sammy was slow (again) on the firmware updates, but they did provide a full multi-channel analog interface, and the LG did not.
By the time both were out of production, the Samsung was considered the better unit, marginally. I had one of the last ones, and had very few issues.
But if Samsung did not make one, I probably would have just kept my HD DVD player longer rather than get an LG. It's a personal choice, I see a lot of LG displays in commercial use, etc. I am sure they are just fine as most people do not have problems. At least first the few years.

Loves2Watch
09-30-2009, 05:08 PM
I am sure they are just fine as most people do not have problems. At least first the few years.

And therein lies the problem, longevity...

IGExpandingPan
10-01-2009, 12:33 PM
Didn't intend to troll so I'll move on.

Peace.

Well, you do bring up a valid point, that a given person might be in the market for some features in a set, which I have to admit both LG and Phillips both have sets with "power features".

For most of us, including many of the power users on this forum, most of these features can be hand with external devices. There are some exceptions like 3d TV, or HD support over VGA, things that require a new set.

But in terms of reliability, there are reasons to be concerned over LG.

PFC5
10-01-2009, 01:41 PM
I found that LG is not consistent in quality even for the same model in the same model year. Of the 5 LG DLPs I tried which were all the same model with different build dates as much as 2 months apart on some, the issues I had where to different levels on each set. Some of them it was not as bad (but still pretty bad) and on others it was worse.

That tells me that quality control was not very good on them to me. My friend went through 3 LG plasmas and found the same issue, so this is not just a problem with their DLPs.

Who knows. Maybe they have improved over the last couple of years, but I had enough of trying to give them another try myself. It is too much of a hassle to box it up again and return it to the store IMO, and for those who buy online they may not even have the possibility to return it at all or they would pay a hefty restocking fee, etc. depending on the retailers return policy. ;)

Techlord
10-01-2009, 08:49 PM
I found that LG is not consistent in quality even for the same model in the same model year. Of the 5 LG DLPs I tried which were all the same model with different build dates as much as 2 months apart on some, the issues I had where to different levels on each set. Some of them it was not as bad (but still pretty bad) and on others it was worse.

That tells me that quality control was not very good on them to me. My friend went through 3 LG plasmas and found the same issue, so this is not just a problem with their DLPs.

Who knows. Maybe they have improved over the last couple of years, but I had enough of trying to give them another try myself. It is too much of a hassle to box it up again and return it to the store IMO, and for those who buy online they may not even have the possibility to return it at all or they would pay a hefty restocking fee, etc. depending on the retailers return policy. ;)

You got that right, ordering online you don't have many options as far as return policies! When ordering online you have to get it right the first time!

rm00k
10-03-2009, 08:15 AM
I have both an LG (1 1/2 years) and a Vizio and I like both, no problems and would recommend either. I've read that LG has problems with plasmas so I would stay away from those, but their lcd's are fine.

Loves2Watch
10-03-2009, 09:52 AM
I have both an LG (1 1/2 years) and a Vizio and I like both, no problems and would recommend either. I've read that LG has problems with plasmas so I would stay away from those, but their lcd's are fine.

You are one of the lucky ones, at least so far...