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First time hdtv buyer 2200 to spend sony xbr9 or samsung 8000 or others? help

akawilliam24
09-23-2009, 09:26 AM
Hello all this is going to be my first hdtv purchess. I was misfortionly in a small car accident and got a really small settlement. im a pretty poor person that loved electronics gameing and movies.

This purchess will be my first and most likely my last high end hdtv purchess of my life unless i find a super paying job or if i hit the lottery. i cant see spending more than a grand on a tv unless i had a big bank account.

now im not looking for just the best deals i love high quailty , i love blu-ray and ps3 gameing along with sports and all the good stuff. im looking for a high quialty tv that wont go out style or be out dated anytime soon. I want a tv that is very high quailty and dont mind spending up to 2200bucks for it.

i been looking at sonys xbr9 46 inch model at bestbuy for 1800 bucks and the samsung 46 inch 8000 for 2200. I have read alot expert reviews about both but im still not sure what to get. The sony is a good deal but the samsung looks nice with the led edge lit. Im just unsure thats why im here trying to get some feedback from you guys and im even open for other models. but i want a real great quailty tv without alot of flaws and dislikes.

err im just so confuse and i plan to make my purchess at the 1st of the month guys please help me make my pick


ps: im also aginst paying 400-800 for a 3yr-4yr exstended warranty so i will be going with the factory warranty and puting back 400bucks incase the tv needs repair after factory warranty. so suggestions about what brand and type would be less exspensive to repair.

paulchiu
09-23-2009, 09:44 AM
i considered the sony xbr8 and the samsung un46b8000 among others 2 months ago.
the samsung went home with me.

here is a small demo i made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIEYFlwBuc&hd=1

pappylap
09-23-2009, 11:29 AM
There have been lots of complaints about uneven backlight distribution on the new Led/Lcd models... Led technology is a technology that is emerging but is still behind what a plasma has to offer. The LED/LCD manufacturers are still trying to catch up to plasma in the areas of blacklevel, response time and viewing angle. Plasma has them all beat in these areas.........
Ya' might wanna' read this before spending the dough......

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/101451-led-lcd-tvs-10-things-you-need-know.html

zorro7444
09-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Go with the Samsung 8000, its alot slimmer than the Sony, which is almost 6" inches deep....ouch

PFC5
09-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Hello all this is going to be my first hdtv purchess. I was misfortionly in a small car accident and got a really small settlement. im a pretty poor person that loved electronics gameing and movies.

This purchess will be my first and most likely my last high end hdtv purchess of my life unless i find a super paying job or if i hit the lottery. i cant see spending more than a grand on a tv unless i had a big bank account.

now im not looking for just the best deals i love high quailty , i love blu-ray and ps3 gameing along with sports and all the good stuff. im looking for a high quialty tv that wont go out style or be out dated anytime soon. I want a tv that is very high quailty and dont mind spending up to 2200bucks for it.

i been looking at sonys xbr9 46 inch model at bestbuy for 1800 bucks and the samsung 46 inch 8000 for 2200. I have read alot expert reviews about both but im still not sure what to get. The sony is a good deal but the samsung looks nice with the led edge lit. Im just unsure thats why im here trying to get some feedback from you guys and im even open for other models. but i want a real great quailty tv without alot of flaws and dislikes.

err im just so confuse and i plan to make my purchess at the 1st of the month guys please help me make my pick


ps: im also aginst paying 400-800 for a 3yr-4yr exstended warranty so i will be going with the factory warranty and puting back 400bucks incase the tv needs repair after factory warranty. so suggestions about what brand and type would be less exspensive to repair.

Please answer the questions in the sticky about info needed to help new buyers. ;)

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/83609-important-post-new-members-read-who-looking-help-here.html

It sounds like you would be better off getting a plasma with your budget and the good news is that it will have better Picture Quality also unless it will be in an ultra bright room (like in the stores which I doubt), or used as a computer monitor more than about 10-15%.

Other than those two environmental/use reasons to buy a LCD, you can get better PQ and much lower pricing if you buy a plasma. At those prices quoted for the LCDs, you could cut the cost in half with a plasma so the money saved could be set aside to just replace the display again if it ever broke down. ;)

Also, Panasonic has been consistently rated the most reliable HDTV mfg for a few years too, so that is another consideration.

Depending on viewing distance, you may even be able to get a 50" Panasonic plasma for about $1,000-1200.00. Check out the following models:

P46S1 & P50S1 or the P46G10 & P50G10.

HiDefRev
09-23-2009, 03:58 PM
I have to go along with PFC5. The Panasonic plasmas are currently at the top of the list in picture quality and reliability. I would go with the V10 series either in 50" or 54" screen sizes. :2cents

Catfish
09-23-2009, 04:07 PM
I like the Sony XBR series. I have already bought three of them, and I may buy another one this year. The Panasonic plasma has a glare problem that I cannot deal with, and the Samsung LCD is really bad. I have not had a problem with any of the sets to date, and I started buying the XBR series when Sony came out with the original XBR1.

stinkfist69
09-23-2009, 04:36 PM
I like the Sony XBR series. I have already bought three of them, and I may buy another one this year. The Panasonic plasma has a glare problem that I cannot deal with, and the Samsung LCD is really bad. I have not had a problem with any of the sets to date, and I started buying the XBR series when Sony came out with the original XBR1.


My neighbor has both the Sony XBR and the New Panasonic G10 Plasma. We put them next to each other and ran a Blu-Ray Blue Planet DVD and wow we noticed quite a difference with black levels motion blur and viewing angle on the Panasonic. The Panasonic was better. As far as the glare he had it next to a window but it was just about dark could not see a difference. But the new Panasonic plasmas have less glare. I have a 54". My Panasonic looks as good as my 60" Pioneer. Sony are also way to expensive. I paid $1100 for my 54" Panasonic at Costco. I don't think Sony makes a flat panel over 42" for under $1200. Also stay away from Samsung plasmas i have heard that they use the same panel as LG & Vizio. I had LG & Vizio Plasmas they get red & white snow after awhile. The technician said it is from temperature change.

PFC5
09-23-2009, 05:28 PM
I like the Sony XBR series. I have already bought three of them, and I may buy another one this year. The Panasonic plasma has a glare problem that I cannot deal with, and the Samsung LCD is really bad. I have not had a problem with any of the sets to date, and I started buying the XBR series when Sony came out with the original XBR1.

Of course you can cut your display cost in half AND get better PQ with a Panasonic plasma, by just controlling the light to eliminate the glare issue. Seems like money well spent for me. ;)

Techlord
09-23-2009, 06:18 PM
Go with the Samsung 8000, its alot slimmer than the Sony, which is almost 6" inches deep....ouch

Why not buy a TV for it's picture quality and not how slim they are? LED technology has it's drawbacks, uneven backlighting either edge lit or back lit, viewing angles are poor and you want to pay more money for that? Whatever floats you boat sailer. :)

Anyway plasma doesn't suffer from any of those drawbacks, cost less and gives you the same picture quality from any angle! Panasonic makes the best plasmas hands down, very high reliability! I think the G10 or V10 series is an excellent choice.

Badfrog
09-23-2009, 09:25 PM
I just bought mine about 3 weeks ago.
The argument of LED vs. WCG-CCFL is a mute point. The XBR9 has a 10 bit panel, 10 bit Bravia3 processor and 240HZ. It's also selling for about $2000 at a very reputable Internet site [search pricegrabber].
Either a brite daylite room or darkened evening viewing, the set adjusts backlighting accordingly.
Many-many personal customizations on a "per input basis".

Loves2Watch
09-23-2009, 09:29 PM
Isn't it amazing that LCD and LED lit LCD display panels are still trying to catch up in picture quality to plasma yet cost twice as much?

Think about it...

Panasonic plasma TV's rule. :D

Techlord
09-23-2009, 10:36 PM
I just bought mine about 3 weeks ago.
The argument of LED vs. WCG-CCFL is a mute point. The XBR9 has a 10 bit panel, 10 bit Bravia3 processor and 240HZ. It's also selling for about $2000 at a very reputable Internet site [search pricegrabber].
Either a brite daylite room or darkened evening viewing, the set adjusts backlighting accordingly.
Many-many personal customizations on a "per input basis".

How about a display that has a 1000 times faster response time than an LCD, for less than $2000 you could buy a display that has a much larger color palette!

Loves2Watch what are the Panny plasmas bit rate, 10 12, ?

Loves2Watch
09-24-2009, 07:26 AM
Loves2Watch what are the Panny plasmas bit rate, 10 12, ?

That depends on the model. It doesn't really matter anyway as there is no source available above 8 bit anyway...

gamebred
09-24-2009, 12:07 PM
Well if I were looking to get a TV that would keep me satisfied for many years, I would look into the Pioneer Kuro's....especially since they are going to dissappear quickly at the price they are now. You can get a 50" non-elite model for under $2000. BestBuy even has a few left. Just do a quick google search on the Pioneer Kuro plasma and you'll see that this is the HDTV that all others are compared to. The pq and black levels are unrivaled with these displays...too bad they are no longer being produced. The Panny V10 would be a close second, then the G10/G15 models and then Sammy plasma running close behind them.

Don't waste your money on LCD technology if you plan to get something 42" or bigger. There's no excuse to pick an LCD over a plasma with the prices plasmas are these days. Before the "LCD does better in bright enviroments" comments fly in...you can always use window treatments such as drapes or dark sheers to dim the light. That seems to be the only excuse folks use when discounting plasma displays. I personally hate viewing HT in a bright room anyways but that's just me. Oh yeah, plasma does costs a few dollars more a month in electricity than the LCD but that's about it. Plasma is just superior technology in every aspect of quality...where it counts most.

PFC5
09-24-2009, 12:30 PM
Well if I were looking to get a TV that would keep me satisfied for many years, I would look into the Pioneer Kuro's....especially since they are going to dissappear quickly at the price they are now. You can get a 50" non-elite model for under $2000. BestBuy even has a few left. Just do a quick google search on the Pioneer Kuro plasma and you'll see that this is the HDTV that all others are compared to. The pq and black levels are unrivaled with these displays...too bad they are no longer being produced. The Panny V10 would be a close second, then the G10/G15 models and then Sammy plasma running close behind them.

Don't waste your money on LCD technology if you plan to get something 42" or bigger. There's no excuse to pick an LCD over a plasma with the prices plasmas are these days. Before the "LCD does better in bright enviroments" comments fly in...you can always use window treatments such as drapes or dark sheers to dim the light. That seems to be the only excuse folks use when discounting plasma displays. I personally hate viewing HT in a bright room anyways but that's just me. Oh yeah, plasma does costs a few dollars more a month in electricity than the LCD but that's about it. Plasma is just superior technology in every aspect of quality...where it counts most.

I agree with this but I doubt anything material in electricity cost would be saved with an LCD if the plasma is adjusted properly, unless it was a LED backlit LCD and the additional cost of the LED based display would be greater than the electricity saved making the savings in electricity a moot point IMO.

gamebred
09-24-2009, 05:46 PM
Based on 16 cents a kilowatt hour, I believe a moderately effecient plasma cost around $100 bucks anually when ran an average of 8 hours a day wheras the typical LCD was around 50-60 bucks a year and the LED was quite a bit less than the LCD.

Basically it is a moot point. It's not like you have to cut the thermostat back or anything and sweat out summers or freeze in the winter :p ... it's just a few dollars more a month.

There's very little excuse to dish out all that money for a plastic TV unless you are single women that is trying to wall mount a 65" plasma. :eek: ;) :D

PFC5
09-25-2009, 03:28 AM
Based on 16 cents a kilowatt hour, I believe a moderately effecient plasma cost around $100 bucks anually when ran an average of 8 hours a day wheras the typical LCD was around 50-60 bucks a year and the LED was quite a bit less than the LCD.

Basically it is a moot point. It's not like you have to cut the thermostat back or anything and sweat out summers or freeze in the winter :p ... it's just a few dollars more a month.

There's very little excuse to dish out all that money for a plastic TV unless you are single women that is trying to wall mount a 65" plasma. :eek: ;) :D

According to the CNET power link the 2008 Panasonic 58pz800u adjusted out of vivid mode uses less power than nearly all 52" LCDs and that is with a larger plasma screen and also the 2009 models are about 30% more efficient. I think the estimated annual power for the 800u was about $45.00, not $100.00. ;)

Techlord
09-25-2009, 04:54 AM
According to the CNET power link the 2008 Panasonic 58pz800u adjusted out of vivid mode uses less power than nearly all 52" LCDs and that is with a larger plasma screen and also the 2009 models are about 30% more efficient. I think the estimated annual power for the 800u was about $45.00, not $100.00. ;)

Were the LCD models on a similar settings as the plasmas or were they on Vivid? How do manufacturers measure the output of their flat panels, on Vivid mode?

PFC5
09-25-2009, 05:01 AM
Were the LCD models on a similar settings as the plasmas or were they on Vivid? How do manufacturers measure the output of their flat panels, on Vivid mode?

LCDs do not use power the same way plasmas do. Their power is mostly constant and use slightly more power to display black when they twist the crystals to block the constant back light to try to display a black screen. Changing the back light intensity will offer some reduction in power if reduced, but i doubt much if you want a bright screen.

Plasmas are the opposite and use more power to display light screens and much less to display black. They are more like CRTs in this regard in how they function.

Given this nearly opposite way they use power, what an LCD is set on from the factory means much less than what it means when a plasma is measured in vivid mode which is how most come from the factory. That is part of why I think these charts are useless unless you know HOW the display was set and compare that way to be fair. How they are now is unfair and inaccurate IMO.

gamebred
09-25-2009, 10:52 AM
According to the CNET power link the 2008 Panasonic 58pz800u adjusted out of vivid mode uses less power than nearly all 52" LCDs and that is with a larger plasma screen and also the 2009 models are about 30% more efficient. I think the estimated annual power for the 800u was about $45.00, not $100.00. ;)


Really? Maybe I should have used a specific example or model such as you did. I may have gotten my facts wrong, whatever the case, numbers don't really mean squat when it comes to overall pq. If this is accurate then that really doesn't give much reason to pick LCD over plasma....unless one planned to use it as a monitor for their computer most of the time. I would just get cheap LCD for that, if it were me.

I see there's some smart folks on this board :D If we have anything to do with it, we'll see the LCD/LED market crash. Plasma Rules !!! :bowdown:

PFC5
09-25-2009, 10:58 AM
Really? Maybe I should have used a specific example or model such as you did. I may have gotten my facts wrong, whatever the case, numbers don't really mean squat when it comes to overall pq. If this is accurate then that really doesn't give much reason to pick LCD over plasma....unless one planned to use it as a monitor for their computer most of the time. I would just get cheap LCD for that, if it were me.

I see there's some smart folks on this board :D If we have anything to do with it, we'll see the LCD/LED market crash. Plasma Rules !!! :bowdown:

That is what many plasma owners who own both have been saying for a while now.:D

We do say that if it is in a sun room that an LCD is better as well and I put the computer monitor use at no more than 10-15% myself to be conservative.

Of course the smaller screens below 42" would have to be LCD since no one is selling plasmas smaller than 42" now.

gamebred
09-25-2009, 11:12 AM
We do say that if it is in a sun room that an LCD is better

...and that's where I would say to put some drapes over those windows or just don't put a display in there. :p

PFC5
09-25-2009, 11:15 AM
...and that's where I would say to put some drapes over those windows or just don't put a display in there. :p

Agreed. But a true sun room couldn't get blinds/drapes as it is 3 sides of all windows. ;)

gamebred
09-25-2009, 11:29 AM
Shouldn't you just be enjoying the wonderful view and sunrises or whatnot in a sun room and not worry about what's on TV? lol I don't have sun room so I wouldn't know. My folks have one but there's no TV in there. They hardly spend any time in there.

PFC5
09-25-2009, 11:35 AM
Shouldn't you just be enjoying the wonderful view and sunrises or whatnot in a sun room and not worry about what's on TV? lol I don't have sun room so I wouldn't know. My folks have one but there's no TV in there. They hardly spend any time in there.

that is one of the reasons a TV in a sun room (especially at night) makes some sense. it is like the hot tubs that many people get and stop using after the novelty wears off. :lol:

gamebred
09-25-2009, 12:06 PM
that is one of the reasons a TV in a sun room (especially at night) makes some sense. it is like the hot tubs that many people get and stop using after the novelty wears off. :lol:

haha, yeah. Maybe they should get one of those eye melting LED panels for the outdoor pool :rolleyes:

Techlord
09-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Agreed. But a true sun room couldn't get blinds/drapes as it is 3 sides of all windows. ;)

You need to consider some houses have sunroofs, most new condos have sunroofs in my area. My brother just spent $17,000 dollars on three-layer glass window system and special shutters that block 100% of sunlight to the west of his house/living room!

wonder_twin
10-04-2009, 12:57 PM
I too, am finally looking to get caught up with technology and am considering an lcd, because of the light that infiltrates my living room. I have always like plasmas more, but know from experience with my 15 yr old, 25" Zenith tv that I have reflection issues. One bank of windows could have darker drapes added, but I have a 9 ft patio door with a window above it that cannot be effectively covered. Have plasmas screens come far enough along that I won't have to fight glare? I would go with a Panasonic plasma, otherwise I am considering a Sony 52" V5100 or XBR9.

In reading through this thread, I am leaning toward a plasma, for many reasons. But, I just fear the brightness of my living room will be too large of a problem to overcome.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Loves2Watch
10-04-2009, 02:11 PM
I too, am finally looking to get caught up with technology and am considering an lcd, because of the light that infiltrates my living room. I have always like plasmas more, but know from experience with my 15 yr old, 25" Zenith tv that I have reflection issues. One bank of windows could have darker drapes added, but I have a 9 ft patio door with a window above it that cannot be effectively covered. Have plasmas screens come far enough along that I won't have to fight glare? I would go with a Panasonic plasma, otherwise I am considering a Sony 52" V5100 or XBR9.

In reading through this thread, I am leaning toward a plasma, for many reasons. But, I just fear the brightness of my living room will be too large of a problem to overcome.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

The Sony would be just as reflective as a plasma...

Techlord
10-04-2009, 04:16 PM
I too, am finally looking to get caught up with technology and am considering an lcd, because of the light that infiltrates my living room. I have always like plasmas more, but know from experience with my 15 yr old, 25" Zenith tv that I have reflection issues. One bank of windows could have darker drapes added, but I have a 9 ft patio door with a window above it that cannot be effectively covered. Have plasmas screens come far enough along that I won't have to fight glare? I would go with a Panasonic plasma, otherwise I am considering a Sony 52" V5100 or XBR9.

In reading through this thread, I am leaning toward a plasma, for many reasons. But, I just fear the brightness of my living room will be too large of a problem to overcome.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

As far as glare is concerned I think both plasma and LCD will reflect most of the light, the only thing helping you is how bright you can go to compete with the light entering your windows. Before you commit to the Sony have a look at the Samsung B750 series.

zosimo54
10-04-2009, 05:32 PM
for what its worth, i too narrowed it down to the sony xbr9 and the the samsung 8000 "46.............i went with the samsung though it was a few hundred more then the sony. i have been reading the posts on this site over the months i was researching which one to buy and had grown leary of the samsung due to what seem to be more negative then positive posts about samsungs. I have had the samsung for 5 weeks now have no regrets buying it. have had no problems with it and was able to program it to my satisfaction easily.
plus its cool being only about 1 1/2" thick!
you probably cant go wrong with the sony as well so enjoy whatever you go with. :eyecrazy
-'lets roll'

gamebred
10-04-2009, 09:45 PM
for what its worth, i too narrowed it down to the sony xbr9 and the the samsung 8000 "46.............i went with the samsung though it was a few hundred more then the sony. i have been reading the posts on this site over the months i was researching which one to buy and had grown leary of the samsung due to what seem to be more negative then positive posts about samsungs. I have had the samsung for 5 weeks now have no regrets buying it. have had no problems with it and was able to program it to my satisfaction easily.
plus its cool being only about 1 1/2" thick!
you probably cant go wrong with the sony as well so enjoy whatever you go with. :eyecrazy
-'lets roll'


...and you ended up going with a LED edgelit panel? :confused:

Techlord
10-04-2009, 11:14 PM
for what its worth, i too narrowed it down to the sony xbr9 and the the samsung 8000 "46.............i went with the samsung though it was a few hundred more then the sony. i have been reading the posts on this site over the months i was researching which one to buy and had grown leary of the samsung due to what seem to be more negative then positive posts about samsungs. I have had the samsung for 5 weeks now have no regrets buying it. have had no problems with it and was able to program it to my satisfaction easily.
plus its cool being only about 1 1/2" thick!
you probably cant go wrong with the sony as well so enjoy whatever you go with. :eyecrazy
-'lets roll'

You would have been better off with a Samsung LN46B750 series LCD, I love mine! :D My decision was motivated by Amazon reviews, almost everything said in the reviews were in fact true.