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Panasonic TC-P58V10 or TC-P65S1 for same money?

gcornett
09-16-2009, 02:35 PM
Down to these two. Very little diff in price, free ship. I like large screen AND quality. BD-r's, ps3, etc. Suggestions from knowledgeable folks, please, and thanks!

Loves2Watch
09-16-2009, 04:02 PM
My vote goes to the V10 due to it's single glass and neo pdp.

gcornett
09-16-2009, 05:17 PM
I was wondering about the Neo pdp and the 65s1 and I read in some specs where the 65s1 has the Neo???

PFC5
09-16-2009, 08:35 PM
All the 1080p models from the S series up to the Z series have the NeoPDP panels in them.

Cle. Plasma
09-16-2009, 11:47 PM
Well here are the pros and cons....

S1 = NeoPDP; 1080p Resolution; Full-Time 1080 lines Moving Picture Resolution; VIERA Image Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM); 600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI inputs, Contrast Ratio: Native 40,000:1/Infinite


V10 = NeoPDP; 1080p Resolution; Digital Cinema Color; THX(R) Certified Display; VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with AVCHD Playback; VIERA Link(TM); 600Hz Sub-field Drive; 24P Cinematic Playback, 4 HDMI inputs; Contrast Ratio: Native 40,000:1 Dynamic 1,000,000:1/Infinite Black Panel.

TheV10 is a more tweakable set compared to the S1, if someone has the time and knowledge to tweak. To say one is better than another would not be the right way to separate these two units, it is more about what a person wants to do with there set as these units are meant for two different types of people. The V10 has more menus so a person can fine tune his or her set, thiner design, 24P playback for better blu ray playback, extra HDMI input, Studio Ref Mode, Pro Settings, THX certification RS232C input, and VieraCast (Internet).

Keep in mind the 65" is 26% larger ;)

65 inch 16:9 Set 58 inch 16:9 Set
4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode [26.0% larger] 4:3 (1.33:1) NTSC mode
Your viewing area is 42.5 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1355.75 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 53.1 inch 4:3 TV
Your viewing area is 37.9 in(w) x 28.4 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1076.36 sq in.
This is the equivalent of a 47.4 inch 4:3 TV

16:9 (1.78:1) native mode [25.9% larger] 16:9 (1.78:1) native mode
Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 31.9 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1808.73 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV
Your viewing area is 50.6 in(w) x 28.4 in(h)
Total viewing area is 1437.04 sq in.
This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode [25.1% larger] 16:9 (1.85:1) letterbox mode
Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 30.6 in(h)
The diagonal size is 64.4 in
Total viewing area is 1735.02 sq in.
Total area is 73.7 sq in. (4.1%) smaller than 1.78:1
Your viewing area is 50.6 in(w) x 27.4 in(h)
The diagonal size is 57.5 in
Total viewing area is 1386.44 sq in.
Total area is 50.6 sq in. (3.5%) smaller than 1.78:1

16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode [25.6% larger] 16:9 (2.35:1) letterbox mode
Your viewing area is 56.7 in(w) x 24.1 in(h)
The diagonal size is 61.6 in
Total viewing area is 1366.47 sq in.
Total area is 442.3 sq in. (24.5%) smaller than 1.78:1
Your viewing area is 50.6 in(w) x 21.5 in(h)
The diagonal size is 55.0 in
Total viewing area is 1087.9 sq in.
Total area is 349.1 sq in. (24.3%) smaller than 1.78:1

Loves2Watch
09-17-2009, 07:18 AM
Thanks for the great info, Chris...:)

gcornett
09-17-2009, 07:45 AM
Hey Cle. Plasma, thanks so much for the knowledgeable in-depth. I do appreciate your time and effort!

Myself, I am not a major "tweaker" although I do appreciate quality. If it is not broke and is producing an impressive picture then I'm satisfied. (It's the champagne taste on a beer budget thing although I do not drink)

My video enjoyment invloves blu-ray movies (action, sci-fi, comedy, a good western on occasion, etc.), Sy-Fy channel, Discovey channel, ps3 gaming and some home movies. The wife's includes Cooking Channel (although I do most of the cooking), Clean House? and the like.

I do want a good quality, proper color, high res picture and a couple of main concerns are blacks/shadows having good detail and the ghosting, lagging, dragging or whatever you want to call it on fast action and gaming.

If I can get all of this out of one of these two sets (58"V10 or 65"S1) (since this is where my budget lies) than I would be a happy camper. Probably a happier camper with the 65" (26% larger)!

And hopefully a set with an 8 - 10 year lifespan as this is not just an adventure...it's an investment!

Loves2Watch
09-17-2009, 08:25 AM
Hey Cle. Plasma, thanks so much for the knowledgeable in-depth. I do appreciate your time and effort!

Myself, I am not a major "tweaker" although I do appreciate quality. If it is not broke and is producing an impressive picture then I'm satisfied. (It's the champagne taste on a beer budget thing although I do not drink)

My video enjoyment invloves blu-ray movies (action, sci-fi, comedy, a good western on occasion, etc.), Sy-Fy channel, Discovey channel, ps3 gaming and some home movies. The wife's includes Cooking Channel (although I do most of the cooking), Clean House? and the like.

I do want a good quality, proper color, high res picture and a couple of main concerns are blacks/shadows having good detail and the ghosting, lagging, dragging or whatever you want to call it on fast action and gaming.

If I can get all of this out of one of these two sets (58"V10 or 65"S1) (since this is where my budget lies) than I would be a happy camper. Probably a happier camper with the 65" (26% larger)!

And hopefully a set with an 8 - 10 year lifespan as this is not just an adventure...it's an investment!

Either would be fine. The THX mode of the V10 gives an almost perfectly calibrated picture (great color, deep blacks etc.) and has a few more inputs for the future.

As for the life span, it would be more like 15 to 20 years...

gcornett
09-17-2009, 01:15 PM
Either would be fine. The THX mode of the V10 gives an almost perfectly calibrated picture (great color, deep blacks etc.) and has a few more inputs for the future.

As for the life span, it would be more like 15 to 20 years...

I appreciate the input. It's a tough call to decide...the THX sounds very intriquing as I do appreciate a quality picture. Does it require enormous amounts of "tweaking" to achieve the end result? Also, once there, is there a lot of re-tweaking between movies, cable, games, etc. to maintain that quality or does it maintain the quality pretty much across the board?

Then again the 26% increase in picture size is calling, also. I can just see Call of Duty-World at War jumping out at me off of that 65 incher. Man, this will drive a person crazy. I do it everytime I get ready to make a somewhat major purchase. To a point it is fun...then it becomes just plain NERVE RACKING!

What ever happened to the "Good Ole Days" where you went down to the local furniture store, bought your Zenith console in the big wood cabinet and went home and played Pong?

Has your Panasonic experience been a positive one?

Loves2Watch
09-17-2009, 02:47 PM
I appreciate the input. It's a tough call to decide...the THX sounds very intriquing as I do appreciate a quality picture. Does it require enormous amounts of "tweaking" to achieve the end result? Also, once there, is there a lot of re-tweaking between movies, cable, games, etc. to maintain that quality or does it maintain the quality pretty much across the board?

Then again the 26% increase in picture size is calling, also. I can just see Call of Duty-World at War jumping out at me off of that 65 incher. Man, this will drive a person crazy. I do it everytime I get ready to make a somewhat major purchase. To a point it is fun...then it becomes just plain NERVE RACKING!

What ever happened to the "Good Ole Days" where you went down to the local furniture store, bought your Zenith console in the big wood cabinet and went home and played Pong?

Has your Panasonic experience been a positive one?

Only thing I can say is that Panasonic has been great. If you want bigger then go for it...:D

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 02:22 AM
One question to ask yourself is: "Do I really need a 65-inch TV? Will 58 large enough?"

How far will you be sitting from the TV?

gcornett
09-18-2009, 07:13 AM
One question to ask yourself is: "Do I really need a 65-inch TV? Will 58 large enough?"

How far will you be sitting from the TV?

From eyeball to screen 14ft.

tRidiot
09-18-2009, 07:16 AM
Has your Panasonic experience been a positive one?

Awesome. I love mine.

I was kind of in the same boat... tossing up between the 54" G10 and the 58" S1... I went with the G10, but honestly, I'm thinking I might have been just as happy with the S1. They have the same NeoPDP panel, some extra adjustments on the G10 (and more on the V10). But I think there is a point of diminishing returns, especially for the avg joe in his avg living room. I am not saying I am unhappy with my G10 by any means, it is a great display, but I would find it hard to believe I would have been disappointed with the larger screen and a few less tweakhead adjustment capabilities! Don't get me wrong, I'm a tweakhead to the extreme, have one of the most adjustable car stereos on the market and am constantly adjusting to different music styles by changing settings... but the TV I don't find I want that. I just calibrate it get the best pic I can, then sit back and be amazed!

:D

tRidiot
09-18-2009, 07:17 AM
From eyeball to screen 14ft.

If it were me, I would definitely go with the 65" at that distance. I am about 9-10 feet from my 54" and I do wish I could have afforded a 58" or 65".

Loves2Watch
09-18-2009, 07:18 AM
Maybe this will help in your decision -


http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4299/resolutionchart1274195.png

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 02:24 PM
From eyeball to screen 14ft.

I suggest that you go with a 65-inch. I have TC-P58V10 and I consider it of a good size, but my viewing distance is only 11-12 ft.

GMen42
09-18-2009, 07:08 PM
Sorry to barge in on your topic, but I have a question...

Since they have the same NeoPDP, does that mean that the V and the S are made from the same plasma panel? Would that mean the PQ is the same?

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 07:59 PM
Sorry to barge in on your topic, but I have a question...

Since they have the same NeoPDP, does that mean that the V and the S are made from the same plasma panel? Would that mean the PQ is the same?

The additional circuitry and enhanced firmware are what make the V series better.

tRidiot
09-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Sorry to barge in on your topic, but I have a question...

Since they have the same NeoPDP, does that mean that the V and the S are made from the same plasma panel? Would that mean the PQ is the same?

More features, inputs, more picture adjustments, thinner panel, etc., on the V10.


All those things worth an extra grand or more? Not to me....

Loves2Watch
09-18-2009, 09:59 PM
More features, inputs, more picture adjustments, thinner panel, etc., on the V10.


All those things worth an extra grand or more? Not to me....

Exactly.

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 10:39 PM
Not quite an extra grand. How about $400? The TC-P58V10 is listed at $2700 and TC-P58S1 $2300. For me, it's worth it!

GMen42
09-18-2009, 10:55 PM
So since the 2 tv's have the same panel (or so Ive read), its a better buy to go for the s1 right? I mean I know everyone is raving about the THX, but if I get a ISF Calibration then it would render it useless correct? Unless I am missing something.....

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 11:30 PM
I think the best approach is to first determine your screen size requirement and go from there.

Suppose you're convinced that a 65-inch will work best for you. Then you look at your budget and willingness-to-pay for the extra features to see which model (S1 or V10) is the right one for you. V10's extras include not only THX, but also Viera Cast, a thinner panel, wider color gamut, 24p Cinema Playback at 96 Hz, and more tweakability. Some people can live without these extra features though, so naturally S1 should be a solid choice for them.

GMen42
09-18-2009, 11:33 PM
I think the best approach is to first determine your screen size requirement and go from there.

Suppose you're convinced that a 65-inch will work best for you. Then you look at your budget and willingness-to-pay for the extra features to see which model (S1 or V10) is the right one for you. V10's extras include not only THX, but also Viera Cast, a thinner panel, wider color gamut, 24p Cinema Playback at 96 Hz, and more tweakability. Some people can live without these extra features though, so naturally S1 should be a solid choice for them.

So the s1 and G10 have the same PQ?

GoldenSaint
09-18-2009, 11:40 PM
G10 has THX and 24p, S1 doesn't. Also, the max screen size for G10 is 54". S1 goes all the way to 65".

GMen42
09-18-2009, 11:45 PM
G10 has THX and 24p, S1 doesn't. Also, the max screen size for G10 is 54". S1 goes all the way to 65".

The THX doesnt matter if your getting a ISF calibration correct? What fps does the s1 have?

Techlord
09-19-2009, 12:22 AM
I think the best approach is to first determine your screen size requirement and go from there.

Suppose you're convinced that a 65-inch will work best for you. Then you look at your budget and willingness-to-pay for the extra features to see which model (S1 or V10) is the right one for you. V10's extras include not only THX, but also Viera Cast, a thinner panel, wider color gamut, 24p Cinema Playback at 96 Hz, and more tweakability. Some people can live without these extra features though, so naturally S1 should be a solid choice for them.

I would pay the extra $400 to be able to play 1080p/24 at 96Hz from a 1080p/24 source. Loves2Watch has brought it to my attention that Panasonic has an update for the G10-G15 to reduce video flicker at 48Hz, whether this looks as good as on the V10 series remains to be seen.

GoldenSaint
09-20-2009, 01:37 AM
The THX doesnt matter if your getting a ISF calibration correct? What fps does the s1 have?

With a 120% wider color gamut, V10 can produce more vibrant colors. However, I am not sure how much better an ISF calibration is compared with THX. I will never bother getting a calibration since I am already happy with what THX delivers on my TV.

S1 does a 2:3 pulldown on 24p playback.

gcornett
09-22-2009, 01:25 PM
Going for 65". Now going to price watch a little while, if for no other reason than to put myself through a little more agony and anguish!

OK, how 'bout some extended warranties input. Square Trade looks promising and cost effective, Mack had some pretty ugly reviews from what I read on Google.

I am thinking that with the cost of a potential repair bill down the line that a "$100.00 a year insurance policy might not be a bad idea!!??

Techlord
09-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Going for 65". Now going to price watch a little while, if for no other reason than to put myself through a little more agony and anguish!

OK, how 'bout some extended warranties input. Square Trade looks promising and cost effective, Mack had some pretty ugly reviews from what I read on Google.

I am thinking that with the cost of a potential repair bill down the line that a "$100.00 a year insurance policy might not be a bad idea!!??

If something did happen to my Samsung LCD how would Square Trade handle it? Does a tech comeout and take a look or do I have to ship it to them?

gcornett
09-23-2009, 07:18 AM
If something did happen to my Samsung LCD how would Square Trade handle it? Does a tech comeout and take a look or do I have to ship it to them?

This is from Squaretrade site:
For Desktop Computers, Televisions over 37 inches and Large Appliances: We will help you schedule an appointment with a local repair facility for in-home service and we will pay the repair facility directly

zorro7444
09-23-2009, 12:26 PM
I believe the V series has digital cinema color enhancment as well.