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50-inch Plasmas

WhiskeyKnight
08-24-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm in the market for a new plasma to replace my dying 5-year-old DLP.

I've been looking at either a Samsung PN50B550 or a Panasonic TCP50S1.

They are both about $1,200 and they both seem to have similar features/picture quality. I thought I'd see what the combined wisdom over here at the Hi-Def Forum thought. Is there something better out there for the same price?

rbinck
08-24-2009, 01:36 PM
I'd say Panasonic.

Nevada_MO_Guy
08-24-2009, 02:05 PM
Welcome to HDF :hithere:

I vote for the Panasonic also. :)

Here are the differences listed by Crutchfield (http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?g=146350&cc=01&compareItems=01|133P50S1&compareItems=01|305PN50550&hidesimilar=y)

Biggy differences for me seem to be the standby power, pc input and the Panasonic has a SD card slot while the Samsung uses a USB port...in case you want to view pictures that way.

daleb
08-24-2009, 02:57 PM
Unless you can get your hands on a Kuro for a reasonable price, Panasonic & Samsung are the only games in town.

You might still be able to get a Pioneer KRP500M (no tuners).

http://www.tweaktv.com/industry-news/tweaktv-value-electronics-hd-shoot-out.html


http://www.displaycalibrationonline.com/index.asp

WhiskeyKnight
08-24-2009, 03:26 PM
Hey Nevada_MO_Guy, that crutchfield site is very helpful. Thanks!

What would you say if I bumped the Samsung up to a PN50B650?

I think the 650 has most of the features you point to as differences.

Still go with the Panasonic?

PFC5
08-24-2009, 05:26 PM
Panasonic has been consistently rated the most reliable mfg brand and has excellent customer service where Samsung can be hit or miss with CS.

I chose Panasonic myself.

gossamer
08-24-2009, 06:00 PM
Another recommendation for Panasonic. I'm on my second one and have never regretted the decision. We gave my father-in-law the 42" 720p that we bought in '04 and it still looks great!

Loves2Watch
08-24-2009, 07:09 PM
Panasonic has been consistently rated the most reliable mfg brand and has excellent customer service where Samsung can be hit or miss with CS.

I chose Panasonic myself.

I second, third and fourth that. Panasonic is the tops in both reliability and quality picture.

WhiskeyKnight
08-24-2009, 09:00 PM
All right. Thanks guys, you made up my mind for me.

Panasonic it is.

Nevada_MO_Guy
08-24-2009, 09:40 PM
Hey Nevada_MO_Guy, that crutchfield site is very helpful. Thanks!

What would you say if I bumped the Samsung up to a PN50B650?

I think the 650 has most of the features you point to as differences.

Still go with the Panasonic?
Your welcome. :)

I've been looking at plasmas myself and am steering toward the Panasonic brand.

The Samsung B650 does offer Picture in Picture, but if you are using Dish Network (not sure about Direct TV), you can get PiP using the Dish receiver, if it is a dual tuner.

The standby power (http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/CompareTo.aspx?g=146350&cc=01&compareItems=01|133P50S1&compareItems=01|305PN50550&compareItems=01|305PN50650&compareItems=01|133P50G15&hidesimilar=y) for the Samsung B650 is much better than the B550 but if you are willing to go up a few dollars in price I think you would be very satisfied with the Panasonic TC-P50G15 (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_133P50G15/Panasonic-TC-P50G15.html?tp=161) which currently goes for $1,350 on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P50G15-plasma-widescreen/dp/B002A530W8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1251169940&sr=1-1), no sales tax.

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2009/06/133/h133P50G15-f.jpeg

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2009/04/133/h133P50G10-o_MPR.jpeg

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2009/03/133/h133P42G10-o_InfiniteBla.jpeg

Techlord
08-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Yet another recommendation for Panasonic, standby power is unbelievable! Best picture period for any type of display!

daleb
08-25-2009, 02:30 AM
Objective data gives Panasonic has the edge for reliability over any display. Real numbers also gives the edge to Samsung, in 2008 and 2009. This only matters if you get the display professionally calibrated.

If you are not interested in the getting the full potential of a display, just what you can tweak with Avia, etc. then I agree, the Panasonic has the edge overall.

At least we have choices!

http://www.tweaktv.com/industry-news...shoot-out.html


http://www.displaycalibrationonline.com/index.asp

Techlord
08-25-2009, 03:24 AM
Objective data gives Panasonic has the edge for reliability over any display. Real numbers also gives the edge to Samsung, in 2008 and 2009. This only matters if you get the display professionally calibrated.

If you are not interested in the getting the full potential of a display, just what you can tweak with Avia, etc. then I agree, the Panasonic has the edge overall.

At least we have choices!



The only problem I have with a professionally calibrated display is what if my set dies early in its life? Sure my warranty replaces my dead set, but now I have to get it professionally calibrated again!

Nevada_MO_Guy
08-25-2009, 04:49 AM
This only matters if you get the display professionally calibrated.
Do you think that is still the case with the new Panasonic TV's that offer a THX (http://www.thx.com/news/20090316A.html) Mode?

THX Ltd. works closely with Panasonic from initial product design phase to the final product rollout in the market. THX certification ensures that each display can present all HD and standard definition content to the maximum resolution with accurate color and luminance levels.

daleb
08-26-2009, 12:18 AM
Do you think that is still the case with the new Panasonic TV's that offer a THX (http://www.thx.com/news/20090316A.html) Mode?

THX Ltd. works closely with Panasonic from initial product design phase to the final product rollout in the market. THX certification ensures that each display can present all HD and standard definition content to the maximum resolution with accurate color and luminance levels.

Most certainly. While THX may get it closer, no manufacturer is going to put in the time and investment in production calibrations that will equal a pro cal. For one thing, they would need to 'age' the sets more to reduce any readjustments after a couple of hundred hours.

Read the links more carefully.

Techlord:
I am not sure what the time you plan to keep a display has to do with getting it calibrated, unless you change displays like your socks.
The whole idea of getting a quality display, like a Panasonic for a fine example, is so it will serve you well for years to come.
I like to have the best pic possible from it while I have it.
As far as the set failing and then recalibrating, well I do know in the most recent Samsungs most all calibration can be done from the user's menu. I believe this is largely true for Kuro Elites also.
So it's just a matter of recording those values after the calibration. That's not to say something might need a tweak inside in such a case, YMMV no doubt.

Too many this is overkill, and that is fine, I am only presenting an option.
The differences are in the details, and most displays tune up very nicely without further tweaking beyond Avia, etc.
Enjoy whatever you choose to the fullest.

I just returned from a day that included 5 wet women in a raft and myself.
The fact they were relatives and my spouse, and it was riding the rapids at Disneyland is beside the point!!
Have a great night, I know I will. :)

Techlord
08-26-2009, 02:04 AM
Techlord:
I am not sure what the time you plan to keep a display has to do with getting it calibrated, unless you change displays like your socks.
The whole idea of getting a quality display, like a Panasonic for a fine example, is so it will serve you well for years to come.
I like to have the best pic possible from it while I have it.
As far as the set failing and then recalibrating, well I do know in the most recent Samsungs most all calibration can be done from the user's menu. I believe this is largely true for Kuro Elites also.

So your saying the most recent Samsung's are a major improvement when it comes to proper skin tone and colors accuracy? I remember an LCD vs plasma shootout that stated Sony and Panasonic plasmas needed little effort to get realistic skin tone and colors accuracy.

daleb
08-28-2009, 04:14 PM
So your saying the most recent Samsung's are a major improvement when it comes to proper skin tone and colors accuracy? I remember an LCD vs plasma shootout that stated Sony and Panasonic plasmas needed little effort to get realistic skin tone and colors accuracy.

The biggest improvement in the latest Samsung plasmas is some improvement in everything...color and black level. I don't believe the black level is at the grade of similar Panasonics, but color accuracy is a bit better.
What is new, the Sams also have only one layer of glass on the panel which is said to add even more clarity and less reflection.
You can see the numbers, both brands are very well received.
Again, as indicated, Panasonic is reliability leader.
That would not keep me from getting another brand if I preferred the picture.
If it's toss up, like the numbers tend to indicate, you can understand Panasonic will sell more plasmas at this stage.
Considering the recent increase in interest in plasma over LCD, maybe Samsung will begin to shift gears and put more emphasis on technologies other than LCD, although lots of feedback that they are as far as future concepts. Hopefully, improve reliability too.

Techlord
08-28-2009, 08:50 PM
Considering the recent increase in interest in plasma over LCD, maybe Samsung will begin to shift gears and put more emphasis on technologies other than LCD, although lots of feedback that they are as far as future concepts. Hopefully, improve reliability too.

If the numbers show more people are going plasma, manufacturers should make what people want to buy most of! Does anyone know what the manufacturing price difference is between LCD and plasma is of similar sizes?