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View Poll Results: 3D technology.. Here to say, or just hype
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Old 03-10-2010, 02:11 PM   #46
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Yes. It certainly isn't in the source. Not very much of it, anyway. BD compression is lossy (so is MPEG, for that matter). Your display has some work to do, and that's where the problems begin, not counting the fact that all BD players don't behave that meticulously. The better player/display setups are equipped to fill in missing color information with, well, with calculated guesswork. Some displays do that better than others. Then the display has to convert the digital info to analog at the front panel. That doesn't even count decoder and CIE gamut errors, which tend to run rampant on LCD's in particular. Now, consider all the really bad HDMI cables out there, data transmission errors and no HDMI circuitry to handle it, and . . .

Why? What did you think I was referring to?
Motion Blur is caused by 2 things:

1. Panning the camera too quickly

2. The 24 FPS rate that movies at shot at.

The first has nothing to do with a display. The second can be "mended" (not entirely fixed) by speeding up the frame rate by the display. If the MB is severe due to #1, it will still be there.
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guess me was making 2 points. Number one be the glasses,,,number two would be any subscription for 3D. Granted yup,,,some 3dTV's will be bought. Some 3D BD players will be sold,,the PS3 will have some FW updates,,,some movies will be sold. But the alchemy of it all put together just makes for a tough sale to the masses. Especially the first time junior plops his arse on the couch,,,effectively breaking a pair of $50 shutter glasses left behind at the last piss break. Lee, me understands your enthusiasm but really fail to see meself buying into the hype.
Like I already said - 3D isn't going to be for you. No problem. It's a personal choice.
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Like I already said - 3D isn't going to be for you. No problem. It's a personal choice.
And me hopes it stays a personal choice. Does anybody, or perhaps you know,,,does 3D chew up more bandwidth? If so,,,to what degree? Will it push a 50 gig BD beyond it's size limit? Just asking.
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And me hopes it stays a personal choice. Does anybody, or perhaps you know,,,does 3D chew up more bandwidth? If so,,,to what degree? Will it push a 50 gig BD beyond it's size limit? Just asking.
Characteristics of a 3D BD (AFAIK):

1. Will use up to about 50% more storage (for 3D)

2. Will use a higher bit rate (60 Mbps instead of the normal 40) as 3D BD players will work (with 3D BD's) at 2X speed instead of a regular BD which works at 1X speed.

Sony and Panasonic are submitting a 66GB dual layer BD to the BDA as we speak.
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Motion Blur is caused by 2 things:

1. Panning the camera too quickly

2. The 24 FPS rate that movies at shot at.

The first has nothing to do with a display. The second can be "mended" (not entirely fixed) by speeding up the frame rate by the display. If the MB is severe due to #1, it will still be there.
Displays never blur. It's the image retention rate of the human eye that makes you think they do. Refresh the screen all you want. If you're into plasma, it's not likely a problem.

What I'm saying (I think) is that 3D and such does nothing to improve the image quality of a display. It certainly won't do much for the many tv's that can't handle film rates well.

3D is here to stay. TV makers will see to it that you pay for it whether you want it or not. The audience for toys has always been there.
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Characteristics of a 3D BD (AFAIK):

1. Will use up to about 50% more storage (for 3D)

2. Will use a higher bit rate (60 Mbps instead of the normal 40) as 3D BD players will work (with 3D BD's) at 2X speed instead of a regular BD which works at 1X speed.

Sony and Panasonic are submitting a 66GB dual layer BD to the BDA as we speak.
So, in order to get the best 3D effect, one will want to get a new BD player (or upgrade the PS3), that's understandable. But is this not going to severely crunch the sat and cable's bandwidth?
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So, in order to get the best 3D effect, one will want to get a new BD player (or upgrade the PS3), that's understandable. But is this not going to severely crunch the sat and cable's bandwidth?
CBL & SAT are going to be using different 3D formats than 3D BD dues to their bandwidth restrictions. Nor will they use the AVC-MVC codec for 3D like BD will (that creates the extra 50% data)

They will be using 3D formats that offer 1/2 resolution (1Mega-pixel per eye instead of 2 MP's like BD will) so that a 3D takes up the same bandwidth as a currect HD signal.

They will either cut the verticle res to 540 or the hortizontial res to 960 depending on which 3D format they use (side by side or over/under)

It has been said that with 3D resolution differences are not as apparent as they are with HD. And 720P is less than 1 MP.

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guess me was making 2 points. Number one be the glasses,,,number two would be any subscription for 3D. Granted yup,,,some 3dTV's will be bought. Some 3D BD players will be sold,,the PS3 will have some FW updates,,,some movies will be sold. But the alchemy of it all put together just makes for a tough sale to the masses. Especially the first time junior plops his arse on the couch,,,effectively breaking a pair of $50 shutter glasses left behind at the last piss break. Lee, me understands your enthusiasm but really fail to see meself buying into the hype.
I heard those glasses will be about $150.00 each at first. That means for a family of 4 it is an extra $600.00 just for the glasses for them to watch a 3D movie together.

I suspect the cost of the glasses will (hopefully) drop fast or else my vote for the new 3D being here to stay will be wrong. I still think it will be a slow developing niche market for a few years until you can only get 3D equipment and then it will build from no alternative. But the industry wants this so bad it will be here to stay IMO.
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I heard those glasses will be about $150.00 each at first. That means for a family of 4 it is an extra $600.00 just for the glasses for them to watch a 3D movie together.

I suspect the cost of the glasses will (hopefully) drop fast or else my vote for the new 3D being here to stay will be wrong. I still think it will be a slow developing niche market for a few years until you can only get 3D equipment and then it will build from no alternative. But the industry wants this so bad it will be here to stay IMO.
Samsung is offerring 3 different types of glasses:

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Samsung doesn't include any glasses with their 3DTVs

With the Panasonic, they include one pair and theirs are $150.

Samsung 3D Starter Kit gets 3DTV and Blu-ray buyers started

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Well, the good news from Samsung's press conference is that you'll get a free 3D Starter Kit if you decide to fork over the cash for them both. Included are two pairs of active shutter glasses (available separately for $150) and the 3D Blu-ray version of Monsters vs. Aliens, which is exclusive to Samsung for the time being.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/s...uyers-started/

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I heard those glasses will be about $150.00 each at first. That means for a family of 4 it is an extra $600.00 just for the glasses for them to watch a 3D movie together.

I suspect the cost of the glasses will (hopefully) drop fast or else my vote for the new 3D being here to stay will be wrong. I still think it will be a slow developing niche market for a few years until you can only get 3D equipment and then it will build from no alternative. But the industry wants this so bad it will be here to stay IMO.
The $50 bucks is speculation,,thinking that by this time next year the glasses will be priced only 5 times what they be worth. Besides that, junior would get a serious ass-whoopage for busting a $150 set.
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The $50 bucks is speculation,,thinking that by this time next year the glasses will be priced only 5 times what they be worth. Besides that, junior would get a serious ass-whoopage for busting a $150 set.
LOL - it costs about 50 cents to replicate a DVD yet they sell them for $17.

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Samsung is offerring 3 different types of glasses:

Battery = $150
Rechargable = $200
Kid Size = $200

Samsung doesn't include any glasses with their 3DTVs

With the Panasonic, they include one pair and theirs are $150.

Samsung 3D Starter Kit gets 3DTV and Blu-ray buyers started



http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/s...uyers-started/
And I still wouldn't buy a Samsung BD player even with the glasses included given their history of poor firmware support after the model is replaced and the 1 year warranty ends. I imagine that 3D BD will require a few extra updates and I wouldn't trust Samsung on those either.
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CBL & SAT are going to be using different 3D formats than 3D BD dues to their bandwidth restrictions. Nor will they use the AVC-MVC codec for 3D like BD will (that creates the extra 50% data)

They will be using 3D formats that offer 1/2 resolution (1Mega-pixel per eye instead of 2 MP's like BD will) so that a 3D takes up the same bandwidth as a currect HD signal.

They will either cut the verticle res to 540 or the hortizontial res to 960 depending on which 3D format they use (side by side or over/under)

It has been said that with 3D resolution differences are not as apparent as they are with HD. And 720P is less than 1 MP.
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.....cable and satellite providers will be forced to provide severely compromised 3D product due to constricted bandwidth. So the choice there will be close to choosing between HD 2D or SD 3D.
Also, those $150 shutter glasses won't work with this format either.....
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So as I said earlier.....
Which ignores what I said:

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It has been said that with 3D resolution differences are not as apparent as they are with HD. And 720P is less than 1 MP.
SD is not 1 Mega-Pixel. It is 336,960 pixels (702x480).

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Also, those $150 shutter glasses won't work with this format either.....
Yes they will:

Displays must support all mandatory formats.

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http://www.highdefforum.com/upcoming...d-formats.html

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From someone who saw the Samsung 3DTV and played with the menus:

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One thing I noticed in the Samsung menu was 3 different 3D display modes that were manually selectable. One looked like it probably selected normal full HD 3D, another was side by side and the last was over/under.

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One thing to consider when it comes to 3D versus the introduction of DVD and HD. Movie theaters for several years have been offering 3D and non-3D versions of movies side by side. While the majority do choose the 3D version, many are choosing the 2D version. Part of that may be due to price (although I don't think there was a surcharge for 3D a couple of years ago), but the price is usually about $1, and I don't think that is the major issue. For some, the 2D experience is superior to that of 3D. With 2D, you don't have eye strain problems, blurry and unvivid colors, and 3D images thrown into your face.

Taking an informal poll, from my own family, 4 like 3D, while 2 prefer 2D. As a result, I don't think 3D adoption will ever reach the level of DVD or HD. Sure your TV might handle it, but this portion of the population will never choose to purchase 3D content. To be fair, though, 3D advances may make many of the issues listed above non-issues. Then we would only need to convince movie directors that it isn't cool to send objects into the audiences' face.
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