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View Poll Results: 3D technology.. Here to say, or just hype
Here To Stay 41 53.25%
Just Hype (Will fade like HD-DVD) 36 46.75%
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3D Movies.... Love to watch, or just HYPE.

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Old 02-10-2010, 08:47 PM   #16  
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Interesting. All of the naysayers on this thread are virtual "newbies" with fewer than 100 posts. All of the people giving viable, realistic answers are long time members of this board with thousands of posts. I am old enough to have sat through the onset of TV during the early 50's ( only a fad, will never replace radio ), the emergance of C O L O R . T V ( again, it was only a fad, it'll never work ), FM radio, 8-Tracks, Cassettes, CDs ( who would spend THAT much money for yet another device to play music ), VCRs, DVDs, HDTVs ( nobody will spend that kind of money for a TV ), Blu-rays ( nobody will spend that much money for a DVD player ) and now 3D. I have been listening to, and laughing at, naysayers for over 50 years. I've had HDTV for around 10 years now, and will most likely purchase a 3D HDTV this year. Yes, 3D is here to stay. And, as time passes, to be improved upon. IMHO, the naysayers can remain silent, because they're always WRONG.

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Old 02-12-2010, 05:12 AM   #17  
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3d will stay and improve more.
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Hype. Considering all the noise, contrast and color deficiencies, artifacts, etc., of today's HDTV designs, 3D looks almost as bad as blown-up VHS on a no-name picture tube. Add HDMI's inferior imaging to the mix, and you have yet another hi-res/low-quality toy that looks like crap, instead of a truly more accurate image and better audio.

All those deficiencies considered, 3D will probably sell a lot of TV's and a lot of media, until the toy crowd grows out of it and a new stream of toy lovers takes their place to insure its ultimate success.

When a/v manufacturers turn to gimmicks like this, it's a sign that quality video is taking another step downhill. Connect-the-dots and paint-by-the-numbers will be next, followed by "innovations" like STFM (Please Suggest Things For Me To Do While I'm Sitting Here With a Remote In My Hand) , or SRFF (Send My Robot Outside To Forage For Food). It all goes to prove that Marshall McLuhan knew exactly what he was talking about.

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Old 03-07-2010, 06:51 AM   #19  
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I voted here to stay. I believe that is true for theaters and Blu-ray but I don't know about the rest of the possible uses. I won't even begin to predict the percentage of HD displays sold being 3D capable in the coming years. I think it will be a success but can't imagine sales of 3D displays surpasses 2D displays in the next 5 years. I also don't know if it will work well for the home with anything that isn't Blu-ray based. For that matter, I don't even know if Blu-ray/PS3 3D will be so good that a big market will find it is a must have. Good enough to survive seems likely, good enough to become mainstream isn't clear.

It is pretty funny that some people won't vote because they don't like the fail option being compared to HD DVD. I can certainly recall my opinion that HD DVD wasn't viable, would flounder for a while then disappear being unwelcome and resulted in hostility here when the product was still current. Now that it wasn't a viable product and is history, floundered for a while with no market to speak of and then disappeared, some still don't want that stated even though it is a fact and behind us. HD DVD wasn't viable, all of the hype about the awful things that would happen if only Blu-ray existed were nonsense. 3D is viable and might be a success for the home market and unlike HD DVD, it has widespread industry support, a key element required for success.

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Hype. Considering all the noise, contrast and color deficiencies, artifacts, etc., of today's HDTV designs, 3D looks almost as bad as blown-up VHS on a no-name picture tube. Add HDMI's inferior imaging to the mix, and you have yet another hi-res/low-quality toy that looks like crap, instead of a truly more accurate image and better audio.

All those deficiencies considered, 3D will probably sell a lot of TV's and a lot of media, until the toy crowd grows out of it and a new stream of toy lovers takes their place to insure its ultimate success.

When a/v manufacturers turn to gimmicks like this, it's a sign that quality video is taking another step downhill. Connect-the-dots and paint-by-the-numbers will be next, followed by "innovations" like STFM (Please Suggest Things For Me To Do While I'm Sitting Here With a Remote In My Hand) , or SRFF (Send My Robot Outside To Forage For Food). It all goes to prove that Marshall McLuhan knew exactly what he was talking about.
Ha, pretty funny first post.

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Interesting. All of the naysayers on this thread are virtual "newbies" with fewer than 100 posts. All of the people giving viable, realistic answers are long time members of this board with thousands of posts. I am old enough to have sat through the onset of TV during the early 50's ( only a fad, will never replace radio ), the emergance of C O L O R . T V ( again, it was only a fad, it'll never work ), FM radio, 8-Tracks, Cassettes, CDs ( who would spend THAT much money for yet another device to play music ), VCRs, DVDs, HDTVs ( nobody will spend that kind of money for a TV ), Blu-rays ( nobody will spend that much money for a DVD player ) and now 3D. I have been listening to, and laughing at, naysayers for over 50 years. I've had HDTV for around 10 years now, and will most likely purchase a 3D HDTV this year. Yes, 3D is here to stay. And, as time passes, to be improved upon. IMHO, the naysayers can remain silent, because they're always WRONG.

First of all with less than 100 posts does not make you a virtual "newbies", it just means you have not posted a lot on this site (A person of your age should know this).

I myself was born in the age of Technology (I do or did not have the experience of seeing things come and go, as much as you might have). Aside for the Cassettes, and VHS movies.

I hate it when people call other people noobs or newbies, it puts yourself (in my opinion, like the attitude of a 8 year old kid).

But notices as you listed 8-tracks, cassettes (they all came and now are replaced). Then VHS, came and now is replaced.

I am not saying that 3D would not become a media, I am saying it will not stay (like you have mentioned of the 8-track, Cassettes, and VHS) they where a media of choice but did not last, as something better came out.

Yes with changing Technology everything gets replaced (that is just the way things happen), but I just feel that 3D will not stick, and will end-up fading as fast as HD-DVD did.


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The reason why I chose HD-DVD as a comparison, is that it is the only media I really know of that hit the shelves and then did not last long.

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3D is here to stay. It's been around in some form or fashion for about the past 150 years. What is being presented today, is simply today's high tech version of an old thing. If the powers that be can eliminate the glasses,,it would have a good shot at getting more than a niche foothold. With the glasses,,,no thanks.
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3D is here to stay. It's been around in some form or fashion for about the past 150 years. What is being presented today, is simply today's high tech version of an old thing. If the powers that be can eliminate the glasses,,it would have a good shot at getting more than a niche foothold. With the glasses,,,no thanks.
yes without glasses I am all for, for some reason they make my eyes tired, and a slight headache. Don't forget to mention makes the image even darker.
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In me opinion, what we be seeing is a marketing push by a few powers that be wishing to capitolize on 1.- the success of HDTV,,,2.- a few old farts in the business still pushing the tired 3D,,,3.- playing the wave of the Avatar 3D success. A little poll over at another site clearly shows that people would prefer better 2D over 3D by nearly a 2-1 margin.
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I answered that it is here to stay, but I wish it was just a fad. I also find that the 3d technology tires out my eyes, and also noticed with Avater how less sharp the movie is when it was shown in 3d.

One question for the experts here. Sony just announced 3d TVs. I am a bit confused. I thought any TV can show a 3D image (with the glasses). Why is a new TV necessary/valuable?
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I answered that it is here to stay, but I wish it was just a fad. I also find that the 3d technology tires out my eyes, and also noticed with Avater how less sharp the movie is when it was shown in 3d.

One question for the experts here. Sony just announced 3d TVs. I am a bit confused. I thought any TV can show a 3D image (with the glasses). Why is a new TV necessary/valuable?
The new 3DTV standard is HD 3D and is different from the old type that works with all TVs and this new format/standard requires not only a new 3DTV, but also a 3D BD player AND new (currently pretty expensive) 3D shutter type glasses.

Lee Stewart has all the info on the top of his head to explain the names each type of old & new 3D standards are using so you can hit him up for more info if you want it. A 3DTV format FAQ would be great to have here and hopefully someone with the knowledge/time to do it can post this.

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I was trying to read up on it some based on some of the links posted here, but even so I couldn't really tell what the value is. So with this new format, I would see a better quality 3d picture? Would it be brighter and sharper than what I currently see in the theater? Also, Sony mentioned about tailoring the image based on where you were sitting in the room - does this mean that with a 3D TV, it looks best when viewed alone?
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If you get a 3D plasma then it wouldn't matter where you sit, but just like 2D with LCD, off angle viewing will likely hurt PQ but probably not as much the 3D part from off angle.

We have to wait until they get released, but early indications are that 3D BD is better than 3D in the theaters with a sharper picture.
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Hype. It is no secret that dealers and manufacturers are an unhappy lot. TV sales have been OK, especially considering the soft economy. But profit margins are piss-poor and something just has to be done. Blu-ray adoption has been painfully slow and will not provide the shot in the arm needed for the near term profit picture. Manufacturers simply have to provide a more compelling incentive than higher refresh rates for people to pony up cash for more costly and more profitable models. What might that incentive be? By following the studios’ cue it surely must be 3D. Then all they need to do is to have all those twenty-somethings at Best Buy (and elsewhere) shame consumers into spending more on a TV than they need to. After all, who wants to take home a brand new out-of-date TV?

The industry seems to be absolutely convinced the general public is foaming at the mouth to have 3D in their homes. Where they get this idea I’m not so sure. Yes, there’s ticket sales for Avatar, which are substantial. It cannot be denied that a generous percentage of the population is amused by mindless rubbish such as this, and when you add the novelty of a little illusory depth in the picture, the appeal‘s enhanced. For a little while anyway. When people find out they have to buy a special TV, BD player, and wear some pretty expensive dorky looking shutter glasses to get the same effect at home, the deal’s off for most folks -- even before they find out about the lack of 3D stuff to watch. In addition to a no doubt very slow growing 3D HD Blu-ray content, cable and satellite providers will be forced to provide severely compromised 3D product due to constricted bandwidth. So the choice there will be close to choosing between HD 2D or SD 3D.

Also, what about the 4% to 10% (depending on which expert you talk to) of the population who for various medical reasons cannot see 3D at all? Then there’s a significant number of people who are wearing one contact lens for distance and the other for reading, which surely must queer their chances for small screen 3D nirvana.

This is just an opinion from somebody who’s not a newbie with less than a hundred posts. Seems to me home 3D will become a niche market phenomenon, kind of like Laserdisc. Every time somebody dredges up 3D in the last few decades it always peters out into the fog of entertainment history footnote.
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Hype. It is no secret that dealers and manufacturers are an unhappy lot. TV sales have been OK, especially considering the soft economy. But profit margins are piss-poor and something just has to be done. Blu-ray adoption has been painfully slow and will not provide the shot in the arm needed for the near term profit picture. Manufacturers simply have to provide a more compelling incentive than higher refresh rates for people to pony up cash for more costly and more profitable models. What might that incentive be? By following the studios’ cue it surely must be 3D. Then all they need to do is to have all those twenty-somethings at Best Buy (and elsewhere) shame consumers into spending more on a TV than they need to. After all, who wants to take home a brand new out-of-date TV?
Hype? No - not at all. Primarily, the only 3D movies you could see in your home was Anaglyph 3D - the Red/Cyan cardboard glasses.

Now you can buy true, full color, stereoscopic 3D for your home - the same as you see in digital cinemas today.

And I really have to laugh - 3D has ALWAYS required wearing glasses of some kind. Autostereoscopic 3D (no glasses) is at least 7 to 10 years away.

If you want 3D in your home - it is there for you. You will have acces to movies, live sports and other events in S3D.

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The industry seems to be absolutely convinced the general public is foaming at the mouth to have 3D in their homes. Where they get this idea I’m not so sure. Yes, there’s ticket sales for Avatar, which are substantial. It cannot be denied that a generous percentage of the population is amused by mindless rubbish such as this, and when you add the novelty of a little illusory depth in the picture, the appeal‘s enhanced. For a little while anyway. When people find out they have to buy a special TV, BD player, and wear some pretty expensive dorky looking shutter glasses to get the same effect at home, the deal’s off for most folks -- even before they find out about the lack of 3D stuff to watch. In addition to a no doubt very slow growing 3D HD Blu-ray content, cable and satellite providers will be forced to provide severely compromised 3D product due to constricted bandwidth. So the choice there will be close to choosing between HD 2D or SD 3D.
70% of the $2.65 BILLION earned by Avatar came from 3D theaters.

Each of the live sporting events telecast to digital 3D theaters were great successes. At hefty premiums even over a 3D movie.

Everyone who owns a PS3 will be getting 2 firmware upgrades from Sony. The first gives it 3D gaming ability and the 2nd gives it the ability to play 3D BD's. 10 million PS3's in the USA?

There are 4 million 3D Ready DLP RPTV HDTV's by Mits and Samsung. All you need is a 3DC-1000 3D format converter (reportedly to sell for about $100)

Yes = you will need some 3D active shutter glasses which are priced at all different levels,

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Also, what about the 4% to 10% (depending on which expert you talk to) of the population who for various medical reasons cannot see 3D at all? Then there’s a significant number of people who are wearing one contact lens for distance and the other for reading, which surely must queer their chances for small screen 3D nirvana.
What about them? They won't buy a 3DTV. Think of all the blind people that can't drive cars.

If they want 3DTV - and they wear glasses, they will make some changes. It is all about desire.

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This is just an opinion from somebody who’s not a newbie with less than a hundred posts. Seems to me home 3D will become a niche market phenomenon, kind of like Laserdisc. Every time somebody dredges up 3D in the last few decades it always peters out into the fog of entertainment history footnote.
There were approx. 2 million LD owners in the USA after 20 years. 3DTV owners will crush that statistic.

They continue to make more and more 3D movies. The "new 3D craze" started in 2005 and is only getting stronger. In 2009 $1B of BO revenue came from 3D. 2009 was the best year ever for Hollywood - and Avatar had very little to do with it. 2010 is the year of Avatar.

Say what you want about 3D. It has been over 55 years and it's STILL with us , stronger and more popular than ever before with the best technology ever offered.
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