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Old 10-03-2007, 10:40 PM   #1
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after getting fios last winter ( i live in nassau county) i loved it. now i hate it more and more, as optimum and those companys get more and more HD channels, we get none eg. MSGHD, FSN HD, VS HD, TBS HD, HOWARD TV, i mean its ridiculous, the only thing i enjoy about it is the speed and lack of lag. what is verizons problem anyway? what did they get us to sign on and then dont improve at all?, we have god damn foodnetwork HD but not any sports HD channels besides YES, SNY and ESPN. Its absolutely retarded, my friend who has optimum, seems to get new HD channels weekly, while we have had the same measly 22 HD channels since the service came. FioS has got to get itself together with HD channels, especially when they advertise about it all the time. Does anyone know anything about getting more HD channels? im getting really frustrated, close to going back to Io.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:53 AM   #2
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Actually, that's not true. They added 3 HD channels over the summer. As well as a couple SD channels, and 47 music channels. I agree that it's a bit frustrating watching other systems get more HD to go up against DirecTV, but the HD will be coming. From what I understand, they're going to add a couple more HD and SD channels this year, and they're going to add a bunch more next year as they shut off their analog channels.

The issue is bandwidth. Yes, the fiber gives them gobs of it. But for now they run QAM, which limits what can be carried for TV. Also, unlike other services, they don't compress their signals, which sucks up more bandwidth. They've committed to NOT compressing their signals - they won't sacrifice quality for quantity. In 3 years they're going IPTV, which will give them virtually unlimited bandwidth.

In the meantime, their plan appears to be to tie the addition of HD channels to the shutting down of analogs, which will be happening in 2008. From what I understand, this work is ongoing. Personally I'm fine with waiting. I've stated several times on several threads something that everyone needs to keep in mind - HD channels does not equate to HD content.

Look at some of the DirecTV threads - you're starting to see the bloom come off the rose, as it were. They were all giddy with getting those channels. Then they found out that there will be an extra charge for some of that HD (oops). And then folks started asking "ok, where's the HD content?" For example, TWC is showing maybe a couple hours of HD a week (only new specials). CNN is only upgraded to HD in their NY studios - not in Atlanta. So you'll see Larry King in HD, but not the news. History HD is largely stretch-o-vision SD. I could go on. About the one channel I hear alot of nice things about is Smithsonian TV.

My point is, the content will catch up, but it's not going to happen within the next couple of months. Yeah, DirecTV played a great PR game, and it worked out well for them. It was so effective that the number one complaint I keep reading about FiOS is "where are all the HD channels?"
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:27 AM   #3
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Yes, the great thing about free markest and choice is, if you "hate" something, you don't have to put up with it. If you "hate" FIOS because they don't have enough HD to satisfy your palate, you can easily kiss them goodbye and switch to Dish, DTV, or . . . .

As for me - I'm still a happy FIOS customer.
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Im assuming you came from cablevision or you wouldn't be complaining about MSG not in HD. You won't get that ANYWHERE but cablevision. This shouldn't have come as a surprise.

I would think Dolan would make more money if he allowed the others to carry MSG in HD and charged them for it? I"m not holding my breath though.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:20 AM   #5
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I think its annoying that they don't have all the channels they can in HD, but I still believe I get more now in HD than I did when I was on Comcast. There are a ton of channels. Only recent disappointment was in not having TBS HD because of the baseball playoffs. But I'll put the blame on that with MLB. They should have stuck with a major network that people without cable/sat could still get. It would not only have been better for the fans, but better for MLB as a whole.
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Yes, the great thing about free markest and choice is, if you "hate" something, you don't have to put up with it. If you "hate" FIOS because they don't have enough HD to satisfy your palate, you can easily kiss them goodbye and switch to Dish, DTV, or . . . .

As for me - I'm still a happy FIOS customer.
While that certainly is true in some markets, it absolutely is NOT in some. How "stuck" am I w/ TWC? Well, in my urban jungle of tall buildings, I have access to.... no OTA, no satellite and ONLY TWC. If I want to get rid of TWC, I can ONLY play CDs on my HD theater.

Our only hope is Verizon FIOS, assuming TWC can't prevent them from getting a franchise from the city. Their legion of lobbyists are hard at work on that one.
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I thought apartments had to allow satellite equipment?
Guess not always, huh?
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Actually, that's not true. They added 3 HD channels over the summer. As well as a couple SD channels, and 47 music channels. I agree that it's a bit frustrating watching other systems get more HD to go up against DirecTV, but the HD will be coming. From what I understand, they're going to add a couple more HD and SD channels this year, and they're going to add a bunch more next year as they shut off their analog channels.

The issue is bandwidth. Yes, the fiber gives them gobs of it. But for now they run QAM, which limits what can be carried for TV. Also, unlike other services, they don't compress their signals, which sucks up more bandwidth. They've committed to NOT compressing their signals - they won't sacrifice quality for quantity. In 3 years they're going IPTV, which will give them virtually unlimited bandwidth.

In the meantime, their plan appears to be to tie the addition of HD channels to the shutting down of analogs, which will be happening in 2008. From what I understand, this work is ongoing. Personally I'm fine with waiting. I've stated several times on several threads something that everyone needs to keep in mind - HD channels does not equate to HD content.

Look at some of the DirecTV threads - you're starting to see the bloom come off the rose, as it were. They were all giddy with getting those channels. Then they found out that there will be an extra charge for some of that HD (oops). And then folks started asking "ok, where's the HD content?" For example, TWC is showing maybe a couple hours of HD a week (only new specials). CNN is only upgraded to HD in their NY studios - not in Atlanta. So you'll see Larry King in HD, but not the news. History HD is largely stretch-o-vision SD. I could go on. About the one channel I hear alot of nice things about is Smithsonian TV.

My point is, the content will catch up, but it's not going to happen within the next couple of months. Yeah, DirecTV played a great PR game, and it worked out well for them. It was so effective that the number one complaint I keep reading about FiOS is "where are all the HD channels?"
I couldn't have said it any better. My thoughts exactly.
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I think you are right in that quality is sometimes better then Quality...the major complaint I have is the TBS issue...The reason some people get HDTV's is the sports viewing. With the MLB's Baseball playoffs on TBS we are missing out because it seems the majority of the other carriers are getting the channel.
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I thought apartments had to allow satellite equipment?
Guess not always, huh?
Whether they do or not really becomes irrelevent if you can't get a view of the southern sky. And in NYC that can be a real problem. I worked in Manhattan for 4 years (in the financial district), and in the wintertime it would get dark by 3 pm - all those really tall buildings right next to each other just block out the sun.

I understand that NYC has been in negotiations with Verizon for a franchise agreement. The way it's been handled, though, has left the borough presidents pissed off - Bloomberg is conducting "secret" negotiations with Verizon, and the presidents are being left in the dark. I think the mayor is trying to prevent those boroughs from asking for the sky with part of the franchise agreements. And given his business background, I'm sure he'll do a good job at nailing down an agreement that's beneficial to both sides. And there's talk of a statewide franchise agreement too.
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Im assuming you came from cablevision or you wouldn't be complaining about MSG not in HD. You won't get that ANYWHERE but cablevision. This shouldn't have come as a surprise.

I would think Dolan would make more money if he allowed the others to carry MSG in HD and charged them for it? I"m not holding my breath though.
From reading some other threads, it sounds like DirectTV is getting MSG-HD, dunno how accurate that is. If I hadn't seen those posts, I would've agreed with you. That's what's keeping me from switching from Cablevision....need my Rangers in HD.
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Sorry, just couldn't resist this . .. . .

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. . . you can't get a view of the southern sky. And in NYC that can be a real problem. . . . in the wintertime it would get dark by 3 pm - all those really tall buildings right next to each other just block out the sun.
Sounds like the satellites all go to bed early in the winter time by putting their little heads on pillows in the West.
Then what do they do each morning, spring up and dart back to the southern sky???
Damn, them little peckers are clever!
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I think you are right in that quality is sometimes better then Quality...the major complaint I have is the TBS issue...The reason some people get HDTV's is the sports viewing. With the MLB's Baseball playoffs on TBS we are missing out because it seems the majority of the other carriers are getting the channel.
Wouldn't make more sense for us to get upset at MLB for putting the playoffs on a station that MOST people couldn't get in HD? Comcast added it just in time.

MLB could have been more proactive about it and determined which carrier would have been able to broadcast in HD to the most viewers. And at a minimum, couldn't MLB have mandated that the local networks could carry the signal in cases where users couldn't view it otherwise?

Seems to me that here in Boston, TBS could have sent their signal to NESN and NESN could have broadcast it in HD for the local Boston fans. Would have been a win for everyone. I certainly know I would have watched more of the game then I did.
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Wouldn't make more sense for us to get upset at MLB for putting the playoffs on a station that MOST people couldn't get in HD?
Well, let's see, MLB was offered $$$$$$$ for the broadcast rights.
Consumers would prefer HD.
MLB weights the options - $$$$$$$$$ vs happy viewers . . . . .
Guess who wins - hell the viewers are a captive audience.
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Sounds like the satellites all go to bed early in the winter time by putting their little heads on pillows in the West.
Then what do they do each morning, spring up and dart back to the southern sky???
Damn, them little peckers are clever!
Yeah, I guess I was asking for it with how I phrased that I guess I should have been clearer - to get a view of the satellites you need a clear view of the southern (or southwestern from this part of the country) sky. In NYC that can be a problem. I just used the sun in the wintertime thing to illustrate just how bad of a problem all those tall buildings can be in terms of getting that view.
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