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Old 07-29-2007, 03:11 PM   #1
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Hello all. I just had FIOS tv, net and phone installed and Verizon installed an ActionTec modem/router (MI424-WR Rev. C). I want to somehow integrate my Netgear Range Max Wireless Router in the system because I got better range and 108mps in my network (no computer tech here so bare with me). Can anyone here help me on how to integrate the Netgear wireless router into the system. Or can you direct me to a forum or information on how to do this.

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Old 07-29-2007, 05:55 PM   #2
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Try plugging one of the CAT5 cables from the ActionTec router into your Netgear router - should work.

I did the same with a cheap Netgear switch (FS605) because I needed a few extra ports in one room of my house; I just ran the existing CAT5 in that room to the Netgear switch, then two computers and a network printer to the switch - everything runs at full speed, no problems.
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Try plugging one of the CAT5 cables from the ActionTec router into your Netgear router - should work.

Connecting to what on the Netgear router?

I did the same with a cheap Netgear switch (FS605) because I needed a few extra ports in one room of my house; I just ran the existing CAT5 in that room to the Netgear switch, then two computers and a network printer to the switch - everything runs at full speed, no problems.

Currently, I do not have cat5 in the room upstairs where my other desktop computer is. It's on a wireless network now. However, I am contemplating running Cat5 or 6 to the room upstairs. Would running Cat5 to the upstairs room and connecting the Cat5 to the router be a better connection than wireless. Just trying to understand here.

Also, I have VIOS TV and from what I read I may lose the ability to get VOD, guide info. etc. if using a router other than the ActionTec

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Connecting to what on the Netgear router? // The input of the router.

Currently, I do not have cat5 in the room upstairs where my other desktop computer is. It's on a wireless network now. However, I am contemplating running Cat5 or 6 to the room upstairs. Would running Cat5 to the upstairs room and connecting the Cat5 to the router be a better connection than wireless. Just trying to understand here. //
In my opinion, using CAT5 will (almost) always be better than running wireless; here's why. With CAT5, when I run internet connection speed tests (use speakeasy.net or similar) I get full 20/5 performance. Using wireless (with ActionTec router in my basement) I get 20/5 in the basement; 18/5 straight up to first floor; 17/5 straight up to second floor; 13/5 or worse diagonal to first floor center of house; 4/4 diagonal to first floor/kitchen (approximately 50'; two walls); and anywhere from 4/4 to 0/0 in my backyard/deck/patio areas.

Also, I have VIOS TV and from what I read I may lose the ability to get VOD, guide info. etc. if using a router other than the ActionTec.//
I am not totally clear on this, but I believe this is true; ie., they use the router to manage this info. However, you still only need coax to the stbs; no need to run CAT5 to them.
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Connecting to what on the Netgear router? // The input of the router.

Currently, I do not have cat5 in the room upstairs where my other desktop computer is. It's on a wireless network now. However, I am contemplating running Cat5 or 6 to the room upstairs. Would running Cat5 to the upstairs room and connecting the Cat5 to the router be a better connection than wireless. Just trying to understand here. //
In my opinion, using CAT5 will (almost) always be better than running wireless; here's why. With CAT5, when I run internet connection speed tests (use speakeasy.net or similar) I get full 20/5 performance. Using wireless (with ActionTec router in my basement) I get 20/5 in the basement; 18/5 straight up to first floor; 17/5 straight up to second floor; 13/5 or worse diagonal to first floor center of house; 4/4 diagonal to first floor/kitchen (approximately 50'; two walls); and anywhere from 4/4 to 0/0 in my backyard/deck/patio areas.

Cool then I'll run Cat5e to my desktop and maybe even to the garage and porch - just in case - and then deal with wireless to my laptop.

Also, I have VIOS TV and from what I read I may lose the ability to get VOD, guide info. etc. if using a router other than the ActionTec.//
I am not totally clear on this, but I believe this is true; ie., they use the router to manage this info. However, you still only need coax to the stbs; no need to run CAT5 to them.

I've been doing some research on this and found that I can run the Actiontec in a bridge mode so that I can use my router of choice for wireless networking and other things. However, if there are issues with FIOS, Verizon tech cannot assist because it is not supported by Verizon. I want to atleast be able to setup my network security using WPA, but it seems that the ActionTec only supports WEP but I will verify with either ActionTec or Verizon or both. So for now, I may just leave well enough alone.
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:28 AM   #6
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Leave the Actiontek in place, as you need the MOCA (data over the coax cable) function for the set top boxes to function correctly.

If you are going to use your own wireless system, go into the router and disable the Wireless function. You don't need it if you are using your own, and it is a back door into your system.

Set the router firewall to pass everything ONLY IF YOU ARE USING ANOTHER FIREWALL!! If not, leave the firewall function in the Actiontek alone.

Run a good Cat-5 or Cat-6 cable to your own router and access point.

Works fine, last long time, drains to the bilge.

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Update. I ran the CAT5e cable Sat and now I'm getting over 15mbs download and 1.8mbs upload same as the main computer. Me and the family are much happier now. The response time is much faster and no more weak signals to worry about. Now I can just focus on the laptop only for wireless, which I don't use as often - so no major priority yet.

Thanks for all inputs.
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Hooray!!! And congratulations; you are now an official computer tech!

Happy to hear that everything worked out for you and glad to have been of some help. Enjoy your fios.
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Ok I am getting Fios installed soon. They have already run the fiber to my house. I have had a hiccup in the install though as the installer wants me to move some stuff on my sun porch.

I have a question from what he told me. The installer states that there will be no cat5 run into the house. The Internet will come through the existing coax from the previous cable install of 15+ years ago.

There are two things coming to my mind here. One is the RangeMax NEXT Wireless-N Gigabit Router I just purchased the beginning of July is now useless. The second thing is how fat a pipe is coax?

I am not feeling confident here so I hope some one will respond and put my fears to rest.

I guess if I understand then it is fiber to the plane old telephone line for phone service. (analog to the ONT) Then for TV and Internet is is a digital signal over coax and how ever short or long a trip that is (and the condition of the coax) to the ONT.

I mean I have a computer that is ready for IPv6. Can I at least request a cat5 line be installed from the ONT?
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Your cable will handle the FIOS speed. The actiontec router can be placed anywhere that you have coax. Just plug cat5 into that and you'll be wired.

And you can still use the rangemax. If you disable the wireless on the actiontec, you can plug in the rangemax and use that. You just need to do some extra configuring.

Assuming the actiontec has an address of 192.168.1.1, you could change the rangemax to 192.168.1.2. Then make sure to disable DHCP on the rangemax and connect one of the lan ports on it to the actiontec. This would allow the rangemax to function purly as a wireless access point.
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Your cable will handle the FIOS speed. The actiontec router can be placed anywhere that you have coax. Just plug cat5 into that and you'll be wired.
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Thank you!

One more thing? where in the chain does the actiontec go in regard to the tv set top boxes. Are there connection for both network and coax on the router?
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Its just an endpoint on the coax. So it can plug in anywhere you have the coax line.
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Hopes this also helps a bit:

The fiber terminates in the ONT. Out of the ONT come copper pairs for your phone and cable for the internet and TV.

The cable goes to a splitter; one output of the splitter goes to the Actiontec for internet access. The other output(s) from the splitter go to your set-top box(es).

That's it.
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Thank you!

One more thing? where in the chain does the actiontec go in regard to the tv set top boxes. Are there connection for both network and coax on the router?
Since you are getting TV also, you definitely need to configure things correctly or you will not get On Demand movies or even your guide. I'd suggest you go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiber and do some search or post your question. They have a thread, loooong thread, that talks specifically about what you are trying to do. They provide step by step procedures. I just can't find the thread. But again, I'd suggest you go over there and check it out. They have tons of info about FIOS and all other cable providers by category.
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