FIOS on coaxial??

seanandnik · 02-23-2007, 02:32 PM

I do not understand the part where Verizon uses existing coaxial cable in your house. I thought that they weren't compatable? So there is fo out in the street and it comes to your house and then what, is there a converter that converts FO to a coaxial signal? if so this seems to defeat the purpose of getting away from coaxial and going Fiber Optic. Also heard about using cat5, is this better?

chrpai · 02-23-2007, 02:58 PM

The RG6 use is to save money on retrofitting existing houses. It actually does make sense since RG6 is rated for 2GHZ. There is actually alot of room for data to move through there.

In production houses HD-SDI operates over RG6 style cable at a data rate of 1.485Gbps. Cat 5e can do 1.000Gbps but it's typically a switched star topology rather then a bus topology where all of the drops are sharing a collision domain.

Put another way, ATSC fits 18Mbps in a 6MHZ channel. 55 Channels is all that you would need to go 1Gbps.

Fiber is way beyond this, and you need that outside of the house to serve the neighborhood, but inside the house coax has plenty of room to breeth.

texal316 · 03-06-2007, 10:31 AM

I am starting to build a new house, and fios will be available.
Should I plan on installing coax or phone jacks (all cat 5) for my
tv needs?

wormbait · 03-06-2007, 08:38 PM

To play it safe run cat 5e and run rg6. you cant go wrong.

scottbrown77 · 03-07-2007, 08:18 AM

I built a house with both. Cat 5 was a waste of money, $1000. Internet go wireless. coax for tv and internet. telephone-use a multi phone cordless phones like the panasonic KX-TG5633B. You can put the computers and the phones anywhere in the home without phone or Cat 5 jacks. That set up is less expensive and much more convenient. Coax has a large enough bandwidth. Make all the coax runs home runs from where the cable or fios equipment with be located. One run just for the router/modem. Where ever it will be. Don't let the build use splitters in the house. The wiring is not expensive.

evandood · 03-28-2007, 01:31 PM

Is there any way to go fiber all the way?

theaterman12 · 03-28-2007, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottbrown77

I built a house with both. Cat 5 was a waste of money, $1000. Internet go wireless. coax for tv and internet. telephone-use a multi phone cordless phones like the panasonic KX-TG5633B. You can put the computers and the phones anywhere in the home without phone or Cat 5 jacks. That set up is less expensive and much more convenient. Coax has a large enough bandwidth. Make all the coax runs home runs from where the cable or fios equipment with be located. One run just for the router/modem. Where ever it will be. Don't let the build use splitters in the house. The wiring is not expensive.

You paid $1000 dollars for CAT5 cable? Last time I checked newegg sells it for pretty cheap. How much feet did you use???

scottbrown77 · 03-29-2007, 07:30 AM

Installed in the house by the electrical contractor. If you're building a house, they don't let you do the work yourself. The builder has to make his $$$$. It was about $200 per run. At the time, wireless was very expensive at the time. I wouldn't do it again.

theaterman12 · 03-29-2007, 10:57 AM

Dang that sucks.

G-Mann · 03-29-2007, 07:31 PM

FIOS is fiber optic from the CO (Central Office) to your house and terminates at an ONT (Optical Network Terminator). There is only one fiber from the CO to ONT. The ONT converts the fiber light to phone, internet and TV. From the ONT to your phone you can use CAT 5e or CAT 6. From the ONT to your internet connections you can run CAT 5e or CAT 6. From the ONT to your TV you can run RG6 to all location. There is no fiber capabilities to your phone, network or TV.

alchav21 · 03-31-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottbrown77

I built a house with both. Cat 5 was a waste of money, $1000. Internet go wireless. coax for tv and internet. telephone-use a multi phone cordless phones like the panasonic KX-TG5633B. You can put the computers and the phones anywhere in the home without phone or Cat 5 jacks. That set up is less expensive and much more convenient. Coax has a large enough bandwidth. Make all the coax runs home runs from where the cable or fios equipment with be located. One run just for the router/modem. Where ever it will be. Don't let the build use splitters in the house. The wiring is not expensive.

Then you don't know anything about Networking, Cat5 is great to connect your Computers, Server, and Home Entertainment Center. Wireless does not have the bandwidth to stream HD Music and Video throughout your house. I ran Cat5 when I moved in 7 years ago and I love it. I set up both Wired and Wireless Networks in my Community, and Wireless Networks have nothing but problems. AppleTV just came out and it has an RJ45 connection, and I'm sure it will work a lot better than the Wireless. I have a Buffalo Multimedia Player and I stream DVD quality Video with no problem.

scottbrown77 · 03-31-2007, 05:14 PM

That wasn't the issue. Coax will do the same with TV via MOCA. He never said anything about streaming video all over the house. I've have setup a number of networks. I sill like wireless and HD tv is now becoming wireless. Samsung just released it this winter.

alchav21 · 04-01-2007, 04:07 AM

You're right, coax is good for certain applications, but don't think Wireless will give you good consistent video quality over Wired. I have worked with both, and depending on the distance and walls the video quality degrades. The manufacturers feel like you do, but there are too many variables with Wireless.

mainetrain · 09-01-2009, 09:49 AM

Hello all,

New here, 1st post.

I do low voltage (Cat 5e, Cat 6, Fiber, Coax) installs and have a FIOS question.

I have a customer who would like to install 7 HD screens at his store. He is getting FIOS.

The FIOS tech said I must home run all 7 RG6 cables back to the FIOS box where he will connect them to the box via splitters.

The customer wants me only to run 1 cable back to the box (to save money) and wants the splitters installed at the FIOS receivers in the store.

Can this be done w/ FIOS?

Thanks in advance
Bob

PoloDude · 09-01-2009, 12:32 PM

The customer is wrong. You should run a home run from each tv back to one splitter. What he wants to do will not work. Period

02-23-2007, 02:32 PM	#1
seanandnik A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston (Medford) Age: 36 Posts: 12	FIOS on coaxial?? I do not understand the part where Verizon uses existing coaxial cable in your house. I thought that they weren't compatable? So there is fo out in the street and it comes to your house and then what, is there a converter that converts FO to a coaxial signal? if so this seems to defeat the purpose of getting away from coaxial and going Fiber Optic. Also heard about using cat5, is this better? __________________ Waiting for FIOS...... Mitsubishi 55 hdtv,Motorola DCH3416 Comcast 2 tuner DVR, Harmony One remote,Sony DTR510 receiver,Sony upconverting DVD , Sony center,Sony front bkshlf speakers, Sony rear cubes, a 12" MTX sub, Stereo 4 head Hifi VCR (used as a 3rd tuner when DVR is recording 2 shows). Sony PS3 w/ all Guitar Heroes & Rock Bands,Sony PSP (hooked to tv),Comcast High speed cable internet , Sony DSC-T100 camera, Ipod and VOIP phone.

03-06-2007, 10:31 AM	#3
texal316 My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7	coax vs cat 5 I am starting to build a new house, and fios will be available. Should I plan on installing coax or phone jacks (all cat 5) for my tv needs?

03-28-2007, 01:31 PM	#6
evandood High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bohemia N.Y Age: 44 Posts: 69	Is there any way to go fiber all the way? __________________ Toshiba 62HM95 Yamaha YHT-360 Panasonic S97S Motorola QIP6416 DVR

03-29-2007, 10:57 AM	#9
theaterman12 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 36	Dang that sucks. __________________ Samsung HLS-5687W JVC TH-C50 5.1 Surround Sound System Xbox 360 Comcast DVR

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02-23-2007, 02:58 PM	#2
chrpai High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 552	The RG6 use is to save money on retrofitting existing houses. It actually does make sense since RG6 is rated for 2GHZ. There is actually alot of room for data to move through there. In production houses HD-SDI operates over RG6 style cable at a data rate of 1.485Gbps. Cat 5e can do 1.000Gbps but it's typically a switched star topology rather then a bus topology where all of the drops are sharing a collision domain. Put another way, ATSC fits 18Mbps in a 6MHZ channel. 55 Channels is all that you would need to go 1Gbps. Fiber is way beyond this, and you need that outside of the house to serve the neighborhood, but inside the house coax has plenty of room to breeth.

03-06-2007, 08:38 PM	#4
wormbait I like beer in HD! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Jersey Posts: 69	To play it safe run cat 5e and run rg6. you cant go wrong.

03-07-2007, 08:18 AM	#5
scottbrown77 Samsung LN-S3251D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Downingtown, PA 19335 Posts: 188	I built a house with both. Cat 5 was a waste of money, $1000. Internet go wireless. coax for tv and internet. telephone-use a multi phone cordless phones like the panasonic KX-TG5633B. You can put the computers and the phones anywhere in the home without phone or Cat 5 jacks. That set up is less expensive and much more convenient. Coax has a large enough bandwidth. Make all the coax runs home runs from where the cable or fios equipment with be located. One run just for the router/modem. Where ever it will be. Don't let the build use splitters in the house. The wiring is not expensive.

03-29-2007, 07:30 AM	#8
scottbrown77 Samsung LN-S3251D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Downingtown, PA 19335 Posts: 188	Installed in the house by the electrical contractor. If you're building a house, they don't let you do the work yourself. The builder has to make his $$$$. It was about $200 per run. At the time, wireless was very expensive at the time. I wouldn't do it again.

03-29-2007, 07:31 PM	#10
G-Mann A couch and an HDTV to go please. Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 12	FIOS is fiber optic from the CO (Central Office) to your house and terminates at an ONT (Optical Network Terminator). There is only one fiber from the CO to ONT. The ONT converts the fiber light to phone, internet and TV. From the ONT to your phone you can use CAT 5e or CAT 6. From the ONT to your internet connections you can run CAT 5e or CAT 6. From the ONT to your TV you can run RG6 to all location. There is no fiber capabilities to your phone, network or TV.

03-31-2007, 05:14 PM	#12
scottbrown77 Samsung LN-S3251D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Downingtown, PA 19335 Posts: 188	That wasn't the issue. Coax will do the same with TV via MOCA. He never said anything about streaming video all over the house. I've have setup a number of networks. I sill like wireless and HD tv is now becoming wireless. Samsung just released it this winter.

04-01-2007, 04:07 AM	#13
alchav21 My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	You're right, coax is good for certain applications, but don't think Wireless will give you good consistent video quality over Wired. I have worked with both, and depending on the distance and walls the video quality degrades. The manufacturers feel like you do, but there are too many variables with Wireless.

09-01-2009, 09:49 AM	#14
mainetrain Installer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY Posts: 4	Hello all, New here, 1st post. I do low voltage (Cat 5e, Cat 6, Fiber, Coax) installs and have a FIOS question. I have a customer who would like to install 7 HD screens at his store. He is getting FIOS. The FIOS tech said I must home run all 7 RG6 cables back to the FIOS box where he will connect them to the box via splitters. The customer wants me only to run 1 cable back to the box (to save money) and wants the splitters installed at the FIOS receivers in the store. Can this be done w/ FIOS? Thanks in advance Bob

09-01-2009, 12:32 PM	#15
PoloDude High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NY Posts: 78	The customer is wrong. You should run a home run from each tv back to one splitter. What he wants to do will not work. Period