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Old 01-10-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Question FIOS vs. Comcast HD

I see in the Phila area Comcast now offers the following in HD:

CNN Headline
MSNBC
E!
Style
BET
G4
Cartoon Network
Turner Classic Movies

Can FIOS still claim to offer more. I don't see anything FIOS now offers that Comcast doesn't except for those worthless ...tv hd channels.
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:47 PM   #2
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I see in the Phila area Comcast now offers the following in HD:

CNN Headline
MSNBC
E!
Style
BET
G4
Cartoon Network
Turner Classic Movies

Can FIOS still claim to offer more. I don't see anything FIOS now offers that Comcast doesn't except for those worthless ...tv hd channels.
Um... yeah, they can:

www.whereishd.com

I put in my zip code (19380), and hit the Comcast link. Total # of HD channels = 87. Hit FiOS: 123 HD channels. Last I checked, 123 is more than 87. And if you want a side-by-side comparison:

http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081

A majority of the HD channels available on Comcast are limited - meaning that they're not available system wide.
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Old 01-10-2010, 04:22 PM   #3
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I think the difference is largely the FIOS list includes all the HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and TMC HD channels, which cost extra, while Comcast doesn't. From what I have read on these boards, the new channels recently added by Comcast are on "wish Lists" for lot of FIOS users.
It would be nice to know if and when FIOS is adding more HD and what they wiill be.
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:38 PM   #4
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I think the difference is largely the FIOS list includes all the HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and TMC HD channels, which cost extra, while Comcast doesn't. From what I have read on these boards, the new channels recently added by Comcast are on "wish Lists" for lot of FIOS users.
It would be nice to know if and when FIOS is adding more HD and what they wiill be.
Says who to the bold part? You better be damn sure Comcast is going to count any channel they offer in HD (be it an extra like the premium channels or not). Every major cable provider does this.

According to this link: http:// www .avsforum .com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081 (which JPL tried to link to, the forum is screwing up links, you need to copy and paste, then remove the blank spaces) Comcast only has 28 HD channels that are available in every market. They have an additional 74 HD channels that are limited availability (and I take that to mean it's not available in every market). This makes Comcast's total 102 HD channels for all the nationals (which you are talking about with the list you mentioned).

Verizon on the other hand has 117 channels in the wide column and zero in the limited. Reason for this is because these are National HD channels and Verizon will not add a National HD channel if they cannot add it across their whole FiOS footprint. Local HD channels are different which is why some areas have more HD altogether versus other areas. For instance JPL said Comcast has 87 HD channels in his area and Verizon has 123 HD channels. In my area Comcast has 82 HD channels and Verizon has 127 HD channels.

To look at that further in JPL's area Comcast has 15 HD channels less than the AVS chart shows and Verizon has 6 more than the AVS chart shows. In my area Comcast has 20 HD channels less than the AVS chart and verizon 10 more HD channels. Of course the AVS chart (as mentioned in the paragraphs under the chart) does not take into account the carriage of RSN and whereisHD.com would include that since it gets its count from Zap2It.com.

Breaking down whereisHD.com further for my area, Comcast has 11 local HD channels and Verizon has 10 (Verizon does not have Ion HD). Comcast has 10 movie channels, including HBO HD, Cinemax HD, Showtime HD and Starz HD all premium movie channels. Verizon, of course, also has the movie channels, but they have all the HBO, Cinemax, all the available Showtimes and all but Starz West HD. The only other provider that has all the HBOs, Cinemax and Showtimes is AT&T (and they have all the Starz as well). Verizon has 19 sports channels in HD and Comcast 18. The rest are national channels. So that was basically to prove that Comcast also counts the premium HD channels as well, because they do offer them.

And that's really what it's all about. It's all about the fact that you can get up to x amount of HD channels with a provider. They never say straight in the ads that it depends on what package you have and all that other stuff. That is in the fine print that you can barely read at the bottom of the screen.

And let me throw this at you since you think it's not fair that Verizon includes the premium channels. Comcast, at one point (not sure if they still do), was trying to include the individual HD Video OnDemand feeds they had in their count so they could say that they offered 1000s of HD channels. That, my friend, is lame.

P.S. if you want to check what I was saying for whereisHD.com my zip code is 07052. And surprisely, after all the linear channels for Comcast, that site also shows 31 channels for OnDemand, when those are not channels.

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That is the real question I am posing. Anyone aware when the next HD roll-out is scheduled and will any of these HD channels cited, (or others), be included?

CNN Headline
MSNBC
E!
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BET
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Cartoon Network
Turner Classic Movies
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That is the real question I am posing. Anyone aware when the next HD roll-out is scheduled and will any of these HD channels cited, (or others), be included?

CNN Headline
MSNBC
E!
Style
BET
G4
Cartoon Network
Turner Classic Movies
Only Verizon knows this information. They do not like to announce it in case something changes. You have to remember that in order for a TV provider to carry a channel they need to sign a contract. This takes time as both parties try to get the best price for the channel(s).

Also from your initial post you were not asking about the roll-out schedule. You were trying to say how Verizon does not offer channels that you cannot get on Comcast (which by the way isn't true as not all of Comcast's area's have the same channels).

Also a few of those channels are owned by Comcast (G4TV, E! and Style) so Comcast could be trying to make it take as long as possible before finally agreeing to Verizon carrying those networks. But Comcast will eventually have to let Verizon carry them.

Also, I wouldn't say Comcast offers basically all the same HD channels as Verizon. Looking at the chart JPL and I posted, Verizon offers all those National HD channels in all of their service areas. Comcast on the other hand, does not. So you can easily go to one area (my area for example) and you will not have access to some channels that Verizon offers in HD if you have Comcast.

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But as Comcast adds HD channels, don't they still have to compress to make them fit into their bandwidth limits?
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But as Comcast adds HD channels, don't they still have to compress to make them fit into their bandwidth limits?
Comcast's approach has been to eliminate analogs. They can do that, to a point. Running with Comcast's compression, they run 12 - 15 SD digital channels per QAM, if I remember right. A QAM is 6MHz wide - which is the same bandwidth needed for a single analog channel. So, convert an SD channel from analog to digital and you free up enough space for nearly 3 HD channels (again per Comcast's compression scheme). That's what they're currently doing. Problem is, eventually you run out of analog channels to convert.

For example, around here there are Comcast customers who complain to me that 'Comcast took away Cartoon Network!' Well, they didn't really take it away - they made it digital requiring that you get a box for your TV.

After that I would guess that they'll make a move to migrate to MPEG-4 compression which can increase bandwidth by up to 50%.
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