Why are there only a handful of HDTV's 3D capable?

Techlord · 08-26-2009, 10:12 PM

Hope this is the right place for my thread.

My brothers two year old Mitsubishi DLP 73" is 3D capable, why isn't my brand new Samsung LCD HDTV 3D capable as well?

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ckone180 · 08-27-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Techlord

My brothers two year old Mitsubishi DLP 73" is 3D capable, why isn't my brand new Samsung LCD HDTV 3D capable as well?

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Supposedly, LCD TVs are more difficult to get to render 3D processing, per CNet.

Techlord · 08-27-2009, 12:47 AM

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Supposedly, LCD TVs are more difficult to get to render 3D processing, per CNet.

Are LCD's the only display that has this short coming?

Loves2Watch · 08-27-2009, 08:02 AM

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Supposedly, LCD TVs are more difficult to get to render 3D processing, per CNet.

It's not only that but the fact that there is no single 3D standard as of yet so although one set may be 3D ready, if that technology isn't used in other equipment or in the movie, you will be out of luck.

I see another format war brewing and it isn't likely to be settled very soon. Remember HD DVD vs. Blu-ray? How long did that take...It's really all about corporate greed and owning the patents to a particular proprietary technology/codec etc. Hell, they can't even get HDCP handshake issues resolved due to ever changing DRM...

Techlord · 08-27-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

It's not only that but the fact that there is no single 3D standard as of yet so although one set may be 3D ready, if that technology isn't used in other equipment or in the movie, you will be out of luck.

I see another format war brewing and it isn't likely to be settled very soon. Remember HD DVD vs. Blu-ray? How long did that take...It's really all about corporate greed and owning the patents to a particular proprietary technology/codec etc. Hell, they can't even get HDCP handshake issues resolved due to ever changing DRM...

If this is the case it will be awhile before this 3D HDTV becomes standardized, I will not be the one who ends up with a useless HD DVD player or something of that nature! I'll tell you what I will do is enjoy what I have now and wait for this 3D stuff to work itself out. There are others here who should follow suit and enjoy the best that's available now.

Loves2Watch · 08-27-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Techlord

If this is the case it will be awhile before this 3D HDTV becomes standardized, I will not be the one who ends up with a useless HD DVD player or something of that nature! I'll tell you what I will do is enjoy what I have now and wait for this 3D stuff to work itself out. There are others here who should follow suit and enjoy the best that's available now.

Amen...

ckone180 · 08-27-2009, 04:22 PM

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Amen...

Agreed!

Lee Stewart · 08-27-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Techlord

If this is the case it will be awhile before this 3D HDTV becomes standardized, I will not be the one who ends up with a useless HD DVD player or something of that nature! I'll tell you what I will do is enjoy what I have now and wait for this 3D stuff to work itself out. There are others here who should follow suit and enjoy the best that's available now.

Both SMPTE and the BDA have promised to approve a 3D standard by the end of 2009 with 3D CE products to be released to consumers sometime in 2010.

They will not be the same standard as the one for BD will be more advanced. But there should be no issue with a 3D HDTV displaying both.

Loves2Watch · 08-27-2009, 08:31 PM

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Both SMPTE and the BDA have promised to approve a 3D standard by the end of 2009 with 3D CE products to be released to consumers sometime in 2010.

They will not be the same standard as the one for BD will be more advanced. But there should be no issue with a 3D HDTV displaying both.

That all remains to be seen. Remember, greed runs high with these CE companies and I can just hear the infighting.

Lee Stewart · 08-27-2009, 08:58 PM

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That all remains to be seen. Remember, greed runs high with these CE companies and I can just hear the infighting.

They managed a a set of standards for HDTV didn't they?

It is almost a foregone conclusion that Panasonic's 3D system will be the platform for BD.

"Broadcast" can't use that standard because of the limited bandwidth. One of the front runners is Sensio who has had their 3D standard choosen by the DVD Forum already. Phillips has a horse in the race (a bit lame) as does Dolby. Unlike the Sensio system Dolby's only produces half the resolution of 1080. But they are enjoying some success with their commerical 3D for Digital Cinema system.

SMPTE is going to set the standard for the 3D encode.

Here is a list of the different methods for 3D:

•field alternative
•frame alternative
•line alternative
•side-by-side half
•side-by-side full
•L + depth
•L + depth + graphics + graphics depth

I suspect formal announcements will be made at the 2010 CES show.

This is nothing like the HD DVD versus BD debacle.

Techlord · 08-28-2009, 01:04 AM

When I was reading all the specs for HDMI 1.4 the first thing that would limit 3D HDTV is the lack of bandwidth. Most broadcast HD programing is sub par, mainly 720p upscaled to 1080i at best. HD broadcasting has a lot of room for improvement, there's too many HD broadcasting that's pure crap! You guys have left out IMAX, can't that be brought to market?

If 3D HDTV does happen in the next 1-2 years it will definitely be a limited format with the only source being Blu-ray.

Loves2Watch · 08-28-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

They managed a a set of standards for HDTV didn't they?

It is almost a foregone conclusion that Panasonic's 3D system will be the platform for BD.

"Broadcast" can't use that standard because of the limited bandwidth. One of the front runners is Sensio who has had their 3D standard choosen by the DVD Forum already. Phillips has a horse in the race (a bit lame) as does Dolby. Unlike the Sensio system Dolby's only produces half the resolution of 1080. But they are enjoying some success with their commerical 3D for Digital Cinema system.

SMPTE is going to set the standard for the 3D encode.

Here is a list of the different methods for 3D:

•field alternative
•frame alternative
•line alternative
•side-by-side half
•side-by-side full
•L + depth
•L + depth + graphics + graphics depth

I suspect formal announcements will be made at the 2010 CES show.

This is nothing like the HD DVD versus BD debacle.

As I stated before, that remains to be seen.

Lee Stewart · 08-28-2009, 09:11 AM

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When I was reading all the specs for HDMI 1.4 the first thing that would limit 3D HDTV is the lack of bandwidth. Most broadcast HD programing is sub par, mainly 720p upscaled to 1080i at best. HD broadcasting has a lot of room for improvement, there's too many HD broadcasting that's pure crap! You guys have left out IMAX, can't that be brought to market?

Most HD is 1080i. Only ESPN, ABC and Fox use 720P

IMAX to the home?

You are talking about a format that has 12,000 x 8,000 resolution! And it has an aspect ratio of 1.44. Definitely not a fit for the home market.

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If 3D HDTV does happen in the next 1-2 years it will definitely be a limited format with the only source being Blu-ray.

Not true - there are broadcasters that are experimenting with 3D already. Yes, BD will probably be first to market with 3D content but within a year or less we will see broadcast 3D and probably 3D DVD who as I said have already choosen a standard.

Lee Stewart · 08-28-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Loves2Watch

As I stated before, that remains to be seen.

Heres the thing . . .

Other than Panasonic, there are no giant CEM's involved in 3D systems that are being looked at. (Phillips doesn't really count as their system offfers nothing that other can't do better)

Now with that said - Sony may come up with their own 3D system for the PS3 - but only for the games, not movies.

I just don't see where your concern is coming from.

Loves2Watch · 08-28-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Heres the thing . . .

Other than Panasonic, there are no giant CEM's involved in 3D systems that are being looked at. (Phillips doesn't really count as their system offfers nothing that other can't do better)

Now with that said - Sony may come up with their own 3D system for the PS3 - but only for the games, not movies.

I just don't see where your concern is coming from.

Let's see, Mitsubishi has been in development of a 3D system for 3 1/2 years as well as some other players including Toshiba.

08-26-2009, 10:12 PM	#1
Techlord High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 1,110	Why are there only a handful of HDTV's 3D capable? Hope this is the right place for my thread. My brothers two year old Mitsubishi DLP 73" is 3D capable, why isn't my brand new Samsung LCD HDTV 3D capable as well? Techlord __________________ I'll admit when I am wrong, why live in denial? I should have bought a Panasonic Plasma! Samsung LN52B750 240Hz LCD HDTV Oppo Digital BDP-83 Denon AVR-5700 THX Ultra Certified Receiver M&K Sound LCR-750 THX Certified 5.1 Speaker System w/V-1250 THX Powered Subwoofer LCD's viewing angle issues seen here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOYnAmDLXbY

08-28-2009, 01:04 AM	#11
Techlord High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 1,110	When I was reading all the specs for HDMI 1.4 the first thing that would limit 3D HDTV is the lack of bandwidth. Most broadcast HD programing is sub par, mainly 720p upscaled to 1080i at best. HD broadcasting has a lot of room for improvement, there's too many HD broadcasting that's pure crap! You guys have left out IMAX, can't that be brought to market? If 3D HDTV does happen in the next 1-2 years it will definitely be a limited format with the only source being Blu-ray. __________________ I'll admit when I am wrong, why live in denial? I should have bought a Panasonic Plasma! Samsung LN52B750 240Hz LCD HDTV Oppo Digital BDP-83 Denon AVR-5700 THX Ultra Certified Receiver M&K Sound LCR-750 THX Certified 5.1 Speaker System w/V-1250 THX Powered Subwoofer LCD's viewing angle issues seen here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOYnAmDLXbY

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