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Old 06-13-2017, 11:40 PM   #1
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Good day HDF members,

I am finally going to make the move to a 4K TV and would like some suggestions.
I should really be getting a 60-65" TV but room limitations dictate that it will be a 55" unit. I am fairly fond of Samsung but it is not essential that I stick to this brand. HDR is a must (and 10 bit would be highly preferred).
My budget is quite limited at 1100-1500$ (I am in France so that's 1000-1300Euros for me).
My existing TV is an 8 year old Sharp 1080p which has served me very well but I am getting a new 4K Xbox later in the year so gaming on this new TV will be the main priority, but of course so will be the best media experience from my existing 1080 content.

Anyone with any suggestions on a TV to suit my needs (and why) and I would be most grateful for the expertise.

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Old 06-13-2017, 11:46 PM   #2
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If it helps to show my research has been OK, but also my utter lack of expertise in this field, I have so far been looking at the Samsung KS7 and MU6 series. The KS7 seems superior to me but is really pushing my budget limits at 1500Euros, whereas the MU6 seems better in some specs and is 1000Euros (with a further 200Euros rebate from Samsung if I jump through some paperwork hoops).
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Old 06-13-2017, 11:48 PM   #3
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Oh, one last thing... I don't care at all about sound quality or features as the TV audio will never be used (I run audio through a Yamaha 7.1 system all the time).
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Another option just raised its head, I said earlier I was limited to 55" but I just found the LG 65UH615V which has dimensions that will just (millimetres to spare) fit.
It is also 1000Euros, claims HDR 10 (they call it HDR Pro but that's apparently the same?), edge lighting and local dimming (their site says it does, reviews are not so sure of this). No idea if it's treated for anti-reflection or not.
Am I right that this would be hard to beat in this price range, or anyone got better suggestion ?
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Here is a review of the LG (it's Edge Lit BTW):

https://www.personal-reviews.com/201...uh615v-review/

HDR PRO = HDR 10 support

HDR SUPER = HDR 10 and Dolby Vision support
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Thank you Lee, not 100% but that might be one of the rare (for this model) reviews I already saw.
What do you think of the LG (and the other 2 choices in contention)? Best about at the moment in that price range?
Edit: after reading the linked review again, it is one of the reviews I already saw and its the one that says no local dimming. LG claim it does have this.
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Thank you Lee, not 100% but that might be one of the rare (for this model) reviews I already saw.
What do you think of the LG (and the other 2 choices in contention)? Best about at the moment in that price range?
Edit: after reading the linked review again, it is one of the reviews I already saw and its the one that says no local dimming. LG claim it does have this.
Here is the LG site and the model you are looking at:

http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-65UH615V

When you click on that site you see Local Dimming but when you go to the specs you see:

BLU Type (only for LED series) Edge

As far as which TV you should get. You need to go to some stores by you and look at the TVs themselves. That's the best way to decide which one you should buy. Spend time with them. You probably won't buy another TV for a number of years so you want to make sure you are happy with what you buy. Ask the salesperson to demo the TV with HDR content.

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Old 06-15-2017, 01:10 PM   #8
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Here is the LG site and the model you are looking at:

http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-65UH615V

When you click on that site you see Local Dimming but when you go to the specs you see:

BLU Type (only for LED series) Edge

As far as which TV you should get. You need to go to some stores by you and look at the TVs themselves. That's the best way to decide which one you should buy. Spend time with them. You probably won't buy another TV for a number of years so you want to make sure you are happy with what you buy. Ask the salesperson to demo the TV with HDR content.
Same source I looked at sir, just below the stores (amazon.co.uk and ebuyer etc) near the top of the pages is a row of icons for features and the fifth says local dimming.

I have already been to the store and seen the LG and it's nice but the thread is not so much a 'it is good' question and more a 'is there better for the money' question.

Basically looking for confirmation I have picked one of the best for my budget TVs or be told it's a poor selection and have others suggested
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http://lcdchart.com/lg/lg-65-4k-ultr...uh615v-948#tsp
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Whilst I agree totally that edge lit backlights don't give as good a result of local dimming as full array does, they don't preclude it and a full array backlit TV would be considerably more expensive. Some might argue that edge lit is a pseudo local dimming rather than true local dimming, and I assume this is the point you are making?

You obviously have some long term experience here at HDF, is there any other TV in this price range I am working with that you would recommend I look at as well?

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Whilst I agree totally that edge lit backlights don't give as good a result of local dimming as full array does, they don't preclude it and a full array backlit TV would be considerably more expensive. Some might argue that edge lit is a pseudo local dimming rather than true local dimming, and I assume this is the point you are making?

You obviously have some long term experience here at HDF, is there any other TV in this price range I am working with that you would recommend I look at as well?
I was just trying to clear up the confusion where you seemed to think the 65UH615V had local dimming. It doesn't.

Here's the problem . . . you live in France. We here at HDF are in the USA. We/I have access to tons of info, specs, reviews and prices on UHD TVs. Almost zero for "across the pond." I don't even know which brands are available in your country. Nor do I know how you will get UHD content.

TimboZero, I am not trying to "blow you off" in any way. Have you ever seen a "TV/Electronics" Forum that is located in France or maybe England or Germany?

I can give a good word of advice . . . Buy the biggest TV you can afford. What looks big in the store will somehow shrink when you get it home and watch it for a while.

My opinion owning a good number of display devices from TVs to Front Projectors . . . I would rather have a 65" TV that on a scale of 1 to 10 is rated an 8 (as far as picture quality) as opposed to a 55" that is rated a 9.2.

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It seems very interesting , we need to install it on computer or need us to sync on computer ?
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I was just trying to clear up the confusion where you seemed to think the 65UH615V had local dimming. It doesn't.

Here's the problem . . . you live in France. We here at HDF are in the USA. We/I have access to tons of info, specs, reviews and prices on UHD TVs. Almost zero for "across the pond." I don't even know which brands are available in your country. Nor do I know how you will get UHD content.

TimboZero, I am not trying to "blow you off" in any way. Have you ever seen a "TV/Electronics" Forum that is located in France or maybe England or Germany?

I can give a good word of advice . . . Buy the biggest TV you can afford. What looks big in the store will somehow shrink when you get it home and watch it for a while.

My opinion owning a good number of display devices from TVs to Front Projectors . . . I would rather have a 65" TV that on a scale of 1 to 10 is rated an 8 (as far as picture quality) as opposed to a 55" that is rated a 9.2.
Exactly the advice I wanted
I know what you mean about being US based but I have found a hell of a lot of US models are here in EU as well (although there is usually a need to translate model numbers). As for forums, I might be able to find an EU based one but finding someone with professional experience, 10 years of forum service and 42k posts isn't going to be as easy.
I think you have answered my biggest (if maybe unspoken) question, in that an extra 10inches is more important than perfect HDR vs average HDR or great colour vs OLED colour. I think 'we' tend to get a bit OCD about specs when spending even the price of a cheap 4k and as long as it's not a lemon we will be ok.
For reference, the 65" LG I have been looking at is called the 65UH6150 in the US and the 55" Samsung is called the UN55KS8000 (for some reason in EU it's called the KS7000).
Short of your recommendation of another option (US models are OK) in the price range I will return to store with the LG HDR demo on a stick, and unless it falls flat on its face bring it home with me.
Thank you for your input and time Lee, it's appreciated.
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Exactly the advice I wanted
I know what you mean about being US based but I have found a hell of a lot of US models are here in EU as well (although there is usually a need to translate model numbers). As for forums, I might be able to find an EU based one but finding someone with professional experience, 10 years of forum service and 42k posts isn't going to be as easy.
Don't be too impressed with those 42,000 posts. More than 1/3 of them are from a "hobby thread" of mine here at HDF:

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I think you have answered my biggest (if maybe unspoken) question, in that an extra 10inches is more important than perfect HDR vs average HDR or great colour vs OLED colour. I think 'we' tend to get a bit OCD about specs when spending even the price of a cheap 4k and as long as it's not a lemon we will be ok.
It isn't 10 inches . . . it's 40%. That is how much bigger a 65" TV is over a 55" TV when it comes to the size of the images on the displays.

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For reference, the 65" LG I have been looking at is called the 65UH6150 in the US and the 55" Samsung is called the UN55KS8000 (for some reason in EU it's called the KS7000).
Short of your recommendation of another option (US models are OK) in the price range I will return to store with the LG HDR demo on a stick, and unless it falls flat on its face bring it home with me.
In my opinion I think you will be very happy with the LG. Just make sure you really give it a through going over when you demo it at the store. And of course make sure that you see both HD and SD content on it. Some UHD TVs look great with UHD content and not so great when viewing HD and or SD content which will probably be the lion's share of the content that you watch.

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Thank you for your input and time Lee, it's appreciated.
My pleasure

Stay in touch with this thread - tell us how you made out at the store and hopefully how you are enjoying it in your home.
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It isn't 10 inches . . . it's 40%. That is how much bigger a 65" TV is over a 55" TV when it comes to the size of the images on the displays.
Not sure why but a 10" increase sounds more to me than 40%

I already checked broadcast tv on the LG (might be 1080 but more likely 720) on the first viewing and seemed fine to me, no way to know if it's 'good' without seeing it next to my 10 yr old Sharp which is 46kg so not getting carried there
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