The networks and cable still don't even broadcast in 1080p

png12977 · 01-02-2013, 06:42 PM

Why get this tv if fox, CBS, NBC, espn, bravo, CNN, etc are still broadcasting in 720p and 1080i?? Are they just going to skip over 1080p? 1080p sets have been out for years and they still don't broadcast in it. I would say its a minimum of 4-5 before they have the to broadcast in 4320p. I'm kinda fed up with technology because sets go up in resolution much faster than tv channels and media like DVD, blu ray discs do.

jkkyler · 01-02-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by png12977

Why get this tv if fox, CBS, NBC, espn, bravo, CNN, etc are still broadcasting in 720p and 1080i?? Are they just going to skip over 1080p? 1080p sets have been out for years and they still don't broadcast in it. I would say its a minimum of 4-5 before they have the to broadcast in 4320p. I'm kinda fed up with technology because sets go up in resolution much faster than tv channels and media like DVD, blu ray discs do.

The long and the short of it has to do with bandwidth and speeds and orphaning a vast majority of people who just switched to hd in the last few years whose display may not natively accept those resolutions. For film-based material which is a very good portion of what you watch your tv or stb automatically de-interlaces the image and it is shown to you at 1080p by your display which is often repeated x2 x4 x8 etc. The long and short of it is that what you are seeing now will be the standard for a long time to come. When you change the broadcast spectrum and system like what was done recently you have to realize that you affect every consumer out there with a tv or monitor- will it comply with the new standards, how many people are you stranding? Where does all the extra bandwidth required come from ? whio has to give/sell theirs back - cellular phone cos? telcos? ems? Air traffic control?

jco · 01-04-2013, 02:16 PM

Directv shows ppv movies in 1080p. There is no problem stranding customers without 1080p hdtvs as the dvr box can easily downconvert 1080p to 1080i via a simple resolution setting.

**rbinck** · 01-04-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jco

Directv shows ppv movies in 1080p. There is no problem stranding customers without 1080p hdtvs as the dvr box can easily downconvert 1080p to 1080i via a simple resolution setting.

That is to get the 1080p at 24 frames per second for those people who have compatible TVs. 1080p by itself is an incomplete description since there are 1080p/30, 1080p/60 and 1080p/24.

Rick-F · 01-05-2013, 07:49 AM

When you put that Blu Ray disc in to watch that wide, wide movie (2.39:1)-- the TV is only going to display about 800X1920 on that 1080P display-- what we need now are more 1080X2520 displays . . .

jco · 01-07-2013, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick-F

When you put that Blu Ray disc in to watch that wide, wide movie (2.39:1)-- the TV is only going to display about 800X1920 on that 1080P display-- what we need now are more 1080X2520 displays . . .

one of the mfgrs , maybe it was toshiba, is releasing wider hdtvs, 21x9 displays with the resolution you mention.

jco · 01-07-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rbinck

That is to get the 1080p at 24 frames per second for those people who have compatible TVs. 1080p by itself is an incomplete description since there are 1080p/30, 1080p/60 and 1080p/24.

direct tv is probably 1080p/60 but im not sure...

**rbinck** · 01-08-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jco

direct tv is probably 1080p/60 but im not sure...

I'm not either, but even if it is that has no benefit over 1080i since film is still shot at 24fps. 1080i deinterlaced is 1080p/30 and if they output 1080p/60 out of their receivers they just duplicate the 1080p/30 frames. Ultimately the real benefit of 1080p/24 is to match the frame rate of the original to eliminate judder, not spatial or temporal resolution improvement.

Even live broadcast Directv receives from the broadcasters is 1080i or 720p/60, so 1080p/60 does not provide any benefit there either.

The only benefit Directv would have outputting 1080p/60 is a marketing one to people who don't know any better.

jco · 01-14-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rbinck

I'm not either, but even if it is that has no benefit over 1080i since film is still shot at 24fps. 1080i deinterlaced is 1080p/30 and if they output 1080p/60 out of their receivers they just duplicate the 1080p/30 frames. Ultimately the real benefit of 1080p/24 is to match the frame rate of the original to eliminate judder, not spatial or temporal resolution improvement.

Even live broadcast Directv receives from the broadcasters is 1080i or 720p/60, so 1080p/60 does not provide any benefit there either.

The only benefit Directv would have outputting 1080p/60 is a marketing one to people who don't know any better.

All the PPV movies on directv are same price and are 1080P so its not like they are trying to trick people into paying more for it...

01-02-2013, 06:42 PM	#1
png12977 High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 55	The networks and cable still don't even broadcast in 1080p Why get this tv if fox, CBS, NBC, espn, bravo, CNN, etc are still broadcasting in 720p and 1080i?? Are they just going to skip over 1080p? 1080p sets have been out for years and they still don't broadcast in it. I would say its a minimum of 4-5 before they have the to broadcast in 4320p. I'm kinda fed up with technology because sets go up in resolution much faster than tv channels and media like DVD, blu ray discs do.

01-04-2013, 02:16 PM	#3
jco HD is NOW! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 135	it already exists Directv shows ppv movies in 1080p. There is no problem stranding customers without 1080p hdtvs as the dvr box can easily downconvert 1080p to 1080i via a simple resolution setting. __________________ *J.C. O'Connell* VISIO 1080P LCD DirecTV HR-20 HD RCVR w/ HD DVR Toshiba A20 HD-DVD Player Sony BDP-S500 Blu-Ray Player SONY 5 Disk DVD + Panasonic DVD-Recorder Pioneer LD / Sony S-VHS Harman Kardon AVR140 A/V RCVR Polk Audio LSi9 Loudspeakers X5 MUSIC SYSTEM VPI Aries Turntable Graham 2.2 Arm Shelter 501 Onkyo DX-6800 CD player Conrad Johnson PV10B Preamp Amherst A-2000 Amp Maggie 1.6QR Speakers

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Rick-F 58 + 50 in. PDP 32in LCD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 3,137	When you put that Blu Ray disc in to watch that wide, wide movie (2.39:1)-- the TV is only going to display about 800X1920 on that 1080P display-- what we need now are more 1080X2520 displays . . .