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Old 12-16-2012, 06:39 PM   #1
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How many millions of 1080p sets are out there, and there is still no sign of broadcasters sending out 1080p signals. Limited QAM space for cable companies isnt helping the situation. Is there even 1080p on-demand? Of all companies, I think dishnetwork does, a TV provider that doesnt provide its own internet access to support streaming video. (I believe Dishnet is capped, and not incredibly fast)

So, if we cant get 1080p, how could we ever expect 4K or 8K ? The required bandwidth must be immense. I think digital media has a bright future, contrary to popular belief.
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I think they will be nice for increased pixel count (overall image from 1080i/p/720p) and stuff on optical. I dont see 4k on tv any time soon, but the new compression format coming will change a lot of things.
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Of course it's in the future. I purchased my first HDTV in 2004 when there was next to nothing in HD. Now every OTA station here in the Birmingham area broadcasts in HD, there are over a hundred HD channels on Directv, Dish and cable providers. It will be a few years before the new Ultra HDTVs are affordable to the average Joe, and the programming will undoubtedly follow. Being the old geezer that I am, I may not live to see it, but just like Christmas, it will come soon enough. .
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Of course it's in the future. I purchased my first HDTV in 2004 when there was next to nothing in HD. Now every OTA station here in the Birmingham area broadcasts in HD, there are over a hundred HD channels on Directv, Dish and cable providers. It will be a few years before the new Ultra HDTVs are affordable to the average Joe, and the programming will undoubtedly follow. Being the old geezer that I am, I may not live to see it, but just like Christmas, it will come soon enough. .
The OP makes a good point. The difference between now and this is the available bandwidth. There will need to be new compression methods that are far, far more efficient than those of the last ten years as well. Those that are just recently being integrated were already around in 2004. If Big Cable and The large telcos are able to figure this out. Like either everyone going fibre and making households all fibre as well creating more efficient home hubs, then I think the internet companies like Netflix or Hulu will have a hard time surviving with the kind of bandwidth one would need to keep up. So this transition may take a while. It doesn't have the huge 15 or so year start that 1080i had unless these sets don't go mainstream until the middle of next decade, which is possible. But the above is why its being pushed. Its the next way to keep big business in business vs the internet based means of delivery.
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You're forgetting that much of what you watch even if it's on cable or satellite is re transmission of broadcast TV broadcast TV just does not have the bandwidth to support 1080 p not nowI and not in the foreseeable future
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Is there even 1080p on-demand?
VUDU has most of their content available in 1080p. Including most network programming the day after it airs. So if you want to watch TV programming in 1080p, the option is there. For a fee of course.
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That's what gigabit IP is for.
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That's what gigabit IP is for.
That really has nothing to do with broadcasting / OTA transmission where many television signals originate or how much bandwith is available and how many subchannels will fit in a given spectrum.
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OTA is still relevant?
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OTA is still relevant?
Absolutely. Many people still use only OTA and also all the feeds Sat and Cable companies get from the networks are derived from the OTA broadcast.
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4k and 8k uhdtv may end up not being available ota. only a downconverted 1080 signal may be for ota.
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If I read correctly, it was 2006 that 1080P was commercially available. Almost 8 years later and I still can't watch an NFL broadcast in 1080P.
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If I read correctly, it was 2006 that 1080P was commercially available. Almost 8 years later and I still can't watch an NFL broadcast in 1080P.
Because broadcast tv can't fit in 1080p signals - they aren't available now bor will they ever be under current broadcast standards- I would wager (a lot) you couldn't consistently tell the diff between 1080i and 1080p in a blind test.
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If I read correctly, it was 2006 that 1080P was commercially available. Almost 8 years later and I still can't watch an NFL broadcast in 1080P.
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Because broadcast tv can't fit in 1080p signals - they aren't available now bor will they ever be under current broadcast standards- I would wager (a lot) you couldn't consistently tell the diff between 1080i and 1080p in a blind test.
Plus there is a difference between a display resolution being 1080p which just describes the resolution of the TV and the video format of 1080p which describes both the resolution and the scanning. The 1080p TV all convert any usable signal to 1080p for display.

Besides, 1080p as a video description is incomplete without adding the frame rate since there are several 1080p video formats.
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Don't base your expectations on cable providers. They will always do whats best for them in terms of resources vs highest possible profit. Who cares about them. It's all about the theatrical experience. Sitting at home with a blu-ray player that will feed 4K to the TV.
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