Detroit Red Wings!

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

I figured I'd come to this section and find at least ONE tread about the Wings and their Stanley Cup Victory! Didn't find one, Sooo... I'll Start one! Where to start??? Can anyone tell me of another team in any sport that is as classy & as good as the Wings? The Wings are the very first team to win the cup with a Euro captain, And who better then Nick Lidstrom to be the First! The Wings are the Most successful USA hockey Team with 11 Cups (next best team has 4 cups in USA, NY Rangers) with only Montreal having more Cups and tied with Toronto at 11.

Detroit proved with or without a salary cap, They are Champions! The Wings are known to be a destination in the NHL for world Class Players and the singing of Hossa Proves that! He took WAY less money to play here then he was offered else where (Oilers offered 81 Million over 9 years for him). He Chose the Detroit Red Wings and took less cash to be here for the sake of winning Lord Stanley's Cup! With Detroit icing pretty much the exact team for the 08-09 season + Hossa that won the cup in 08, They are sure to be the Heavy Favorite to win it all in 09!

I know that nothing is a lock in sports, But this has to be as close to a lock is there will ever be! Any one that knows the NHL will tell you, the Wings were always known as the "team that bought the cup" before the salary cap was put in place. Thats why this years Stanley Cup is SOOOOOO SWEET! We Won the Cup WITH a salary cap and it was done with at least 80% home grown talent ( Drafted Players vs Free agents) that were picked very late in the draft order. Zetterberg went 7th round 210th overall! You can't tell me that 209 times a team isn't saying D-oh when looking at this now LOL! Who was even the #1 draft pick that year, I can't remember now! I can tell you this... If teams knew then what they know now, Zetterburg would have been #1 Overall instead of 210th

I haven't even gotten to Pavel Datsyuk 171st overall, Valtteri Filppula 95th overall, Tomas Holmstrom 257th overall,
Johan Franzen 97th overall, Jiri Hudler 58th overall,
Niklas Kronvall 29th overall, Chris Osgood 54th overall and I saved the best for last... The Six time Norris Trophy winner Nicklas Lidstrom 53rd overall draft pick. Detroit's Closest pick to #1 was at 29th overall and it was Niklas Kronvall. They say hind (or is it hine) sight is 20/20, Detroit's Scouting has proved with such low draft picks that their foresight is also 20/20!

I know we have some NHL hockey fans here at HDF and I would love to hear what you have to say about this and the NHL in general! As always GO Wings GO!

[mikeymo]

I think I'm going to throw up.

[borromini]

Sorry, wrong forum...if you're feeling sick you need to post this in the Promotions, Announcements, Hot Deals forum.

[DoctorCAD]

Coming from a Penguins fan...



Your team is very talented, they play a "different" style of hockey. Trapping and picking was supposed to have been taken out of the game, but your team does it to perfection. Every player (with a few exceptions) on the first and second line has the talent to be a team captain on just about any other team. Can't say anything bad about the players.


































oh, and wait till next year!

[macmarkus]

That about sums up the Wings and there season, hell the past 15 seasons IMO. It start's with the owner. Illitch is the best, period.

Hitachi, you should read the article by Ken Holland in the last "hockey news", he sums it all up very nicely and gives credit where credit is due. Great scouting. (having Scottie Bowman doesn't hurt, and a great mentor for up & coming GM in Stevie Y for sure )

Congrats to the Red Wings, it was an awesome playoffs. I have to admit, I was a doubter thru out the whole playoffs usually picking against them. (should know better ) I said in the first round against the Preds. though, if they pull the old fart Hasek and put in the Oz, the would be better off. Case dismissed, ha ha !

Look forward to next year for sure. I see no reason they can't be there again...except maybe one. My Calgary Flames !! he he !


Don't know if you've heard yet, the Flames just signed Bertuzzi to a one year deal after losing Nolan to The Wild on Sunday. Damn, Todd is a dog, I hate this guy, why Flames why ?


I had to plug my team dude, what kind of a fan would I be eh ?

Cheers man, conrats again.

P.S.
Lidstrom is a f'king Stud ! Awesome, just awesome. I'd take him over Niedermayer or Pronger anyday...I might even take him over Phaneuf he's that good, but Dion is still a kid so probably not with all due respect to Lidstrom.

As for the Pittsburg fan...sour grapes, it's coaching dude.

Who can coach best within' the rules allowed. Get over it. Next year won't be much better for the Pens btw.

peace

macmarkus

[BrianO]

Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

I figured I'd come to this section and find at least ONE tread about the Wings and their Stanley Cup Victory! Didn't find one, Sooo... I'll Start one! Where to start??? Can anyone tell me of another team in any sport that is as classy & as good as the Wings? The Wings are the very first team to win the cup with a Euro captain, And who better then Nick Lidstrom to be the First! The Wings are the Most successful USA hockey Team with 11 Cups (next best team has 4 cups in USA, NY Rangers) with only Montreal having more Cups and tied with Toronto at 11.

The Bruins have won 5 Cups which is more than the 4 won by the Rangers (and the 4 by the Islanders in 46 fewer seasons). But then, the Bruins have been in the league 2 seasons longer than the Rangers (and the Black Hawks and the Red Wings), so maybe we should discount the 5 to a lower number.

As for Toronto, they have won the Cup 13 times, not 11. They won 1 as the Arenas, 1 after they changed their name to St. Patricks and 11 since they changed their name again to Maple Leafs in 1927. It is the same franchise, one of only 2 of the NHL's original 5* franchises to survive to this day. The other surviving original is Montreal. BTW, the Red Wings have also changed their name twice since joining the NHL in 1926 but didn't win any cups under either of their first 2 names (Cougars and then Falcons).

You do love to promote your Red Wings, don't you? Nothing wrong with that, but you should refrain from understating the accomplishments of other teams lest you be perceived as doing so deliberately in order to make your team look even better. On the plus side, at least you didn't exaggerate their achivements like you did a few months ago.



* The other 3 original, but long defuct, franchises were: Montreal Wanderers, the orignal Ottawa Senators (not the Johnnies-come-lately that use the same name today) and Quebec Bulldogs.

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

Originally Posted by BrianO

The Bruins have won 5 Cups which is more than the 4 won by the Rangers (and the 4 by the Islanders in 46 fewer seasons). But then, the Bruins have been in the league 2 seasons longer than the Rangers (and the Black Hawks and the Red Wings), so maybe we should discount the 5 to a lower number.

My bad... After a couple Rum and coke's and I was only off by one

Originally Posted by BrianO

As for Toronto, they have won the Cup 13 times, not 11. They won 1 as the Arenas, 1 after they changed their name to St. Patricks and 11 since they changed their name again to Maple Leafs in 1927. It is the same franchise, one of only 2 of the NHL's original 5* franchises to survive to this day. The other surviving original is Montreal. BTW, the Red Wings have also changed their name twice since joining the NHL in 1926 but didn't win any cups under either of their first 2 names (Cougars and then Falcons).:

I'm well aware of detroits name changes but thanks for trying to go through my post with a fine tooth comb and re educate me. Toronto has won 11 cups since joining the NHL, All other cups are nice in all but carry an * with them, Just like Montreal's cups before the NHL was formed. Cups that were won before the league was even formed in 1926 don't really count, Call it an American thing I guess.

Originally Posted by BrianO

You do love to promote your Red Wings, don't you?)

Why Not?

Originally Posted by BrianO

Nothing wrong with that, but you should refrain from understating the accomplishments of other teams lest you be perceived as doing so deliberately in order to make your team look even better.

There would be no reason to do that, They are so good, they don't need me to do that!

Originally Posted by BrianO

On the plus side, at least you didn't exaggerate their achivements like you did a few months ago.

I guess because I'm not from Canada, Its not OK to have a great hockey team in the states and be VERY proud to have them, Its very obvious that your one of the "hockey belongs to Canada" crowd. Before you keep pulling Sour Grapes outta your butt, Have you seen the list of the top ten scorers in the NHL for the 07-08 season? Out of the top ten, Only 4 are Canadian and the highest Canadian is at #3. 14 points out of first with TWO Russians ahead of him.

Originally Posted by BrianO

* The other 3 original, but long defuct, franchises were: Montreal Wanderers, the original Ottawa Senators (not the Johnnies-come-lately that use the same name today) and Quebec Bulldogs.

So what if my facts are not 1000% accurate like yours seem to be, I'll bet though, If I spent the time researching every tiny little letter you typed out I'd be able to punch a few hole's in your facts also. I'm not here for that and thats not why I started this thread, It is titled "Detroit Red Wings" after all and you came in to my thread to rag on me for bragging about my beloved Wings lol. I went through the hardship of the 70's and 80's with the Wings, So the 90's and 2000's are a very welcomed by all Detroiters and should be by any hockey fan seeing as though Detroit is part of the Original 6

[BrianO]

Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

Toronto has won 11 cups since joining the NHL,

False. It is 13. The NHL was formed on November 22, 1917 and Toronto Arenas (now known as Maple Leafs) were one of its founding members. They didn't just "join" the league. They were the first NHL champions and the first NHL team to win the Stanley Cup, in March 1918. They won again in 1922 after they had changed their name to St Patricks and have won the 11 times since they changed their name a second time to Maple Leafs.

During the NHL's first 9 seasons the NHL champion had to play against the champions of either the Pacific Coast Hockey League or the Western Canada Hockey League to determine who won the Stanley Cup. The Pacific Coast League folded in the early 1920's and then in 1926 the NHL bought out the Western Canada Hockey League. This gave the NHL effective control of the Cup and made more players available for the NHL to sign, allowing them to add 3 new teams for the 1926-27 season (one of which was the Detroit Cougars) bringing the number of teams up to 10. The league started shrinking in the 1930's and by the start of the 1942-43 season had been reduced to the 6 teams that composed the league for the next 25 seasons.

1926-27 was not the NHL's first season. It was its tenth and marked what longtime NHL Chief Statistician Ron Andrews termed "the modern era" because that was the first season that all 6 of the teams that were NHL members during the 6-team era (1942-1967) were league members. One cannot ignore the first 9 seasons, simply because a lot of misinformed people think that the NHL started out as a 6-team league or because your team wasn't part of the league until season 10. The current Montreal, Toronto and Boston teams were in the NHL before 1926 and two of those teams won Stanley Cups as NHL members before 1926. Montreal Canadiens also won the Cup once before the NHL was founded. They all count.

Montreal Canadiens...24
Toronto Arenas/St. Patricks/Maple Leafs...13
Detroit Cougars/Falcons/Red Wings...11

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

Originally Posted by BrianO

False. It is 13. The NHL was formed on November 22, 1917 and Toronto Arenas (now known as Maple Leafs) were one of its founding members. They didn't just "join" the league. They were the first NHL champions and the first NHL team to win the Stanley Cup, in March 1918. They won again in 1922 after they had changed their name to St Patricks and have won the 11 times since they changed their name a second time to Maple Leafs.

During the NHL's first 9 seasons the NHL champion had to play against the champions of either the Pacific Coast Hockey League or the Western Canada Hockey League to determine who won the Stanley Cup. The Pacific Coast League folded in the early 1920's and then in 1926 the NHL bought out the Western Canada Hockey League. This gave the NHL effective control of the Cup and made more players available for the NHL to sign, allowing them to add 3 new teams for the 1926-27 season (one of which was the Detroit Cougars) bringing the number of teams up to 10. The league started shrinking in the 1930's and by the start of the 1942-43 season had been reduced to the 6 teams that composed the league for the next 25 seasons.

1926-27 was not the NHL's first season. It was its tenth and marked what longtime NHL Chief Statistician Ron Andrews termed "the modern era" because that was the first season that all 6 of the teams that were NHL members during the 6-team era (1942-1967) were league members. One cannot ignore the first 9 seasons, simply because a lot of misinformed people think that the NHL started out as a 6-team league or because your team wasn't part of the league until season 10. The current Montreal, Toronto and Boston teams were in the NHL before 1926 and two of those teams won Stanley Cups as NHL members before 1926. Montreal Canadiens also won the Cup once before the NHL was founded. They all count.

Montreal Canadiens...24
Toronto Arenas/St. Patricks/Maple Leafs...13
Detroit Cougars/Falcons/Red Wings...11

Dude... I could copy and paste too from NHL.com. Take the serious stick outta your ass PLEASE! Your NOT educating me like you think you are. I've read all this before, I Just don't retain it like it was the bible though. I know it's a hated thing that an American team has won the Cup Yet Again and its ok to be jealous..If you want to count teams that won the cup before there was even 6 teams to compete for it, thats fine with me. Before the NHL really started in 1926 what did we have? The Montreal Maroons played against the Montreal Wanderers for the right to play the Montreal Shamrocks and the winner of that played Montreal Canadians for the cup LOL No wonder why Montreal has sooooo many cups, All the teams were from Montreal (Sarcasm, Before you take me tooooo seriously ha ha). If you really need to be Sooooo anal about every stat then Maybe you go to a Professional Sporting message board and argue there, Instead of going to town here on me in a AUDIO VIDEO message board that just happens to have a GENERAL (i.e. Casual)sports thread! Try TSN.ca, There's plenty of American NHL hating Canadians there and you'll fit right in buddy!

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

This article is about the professional Victoria Cougars ice hockey team. For other uses, see Victoria Cougars (disambiguation).
The Victoria Cougars were a Pacific Coast Hockey Association (and after its merger with the Western Canada Hockey League, the Western Hockey League) ice hockey team based in Victoria, British Columbia. The original Victoria franchise of the PCHA, the Senators, were formed in 1911, and became the Aristocrats in 1913. That incarnation is best known for challenging the Quebec Bulldogs for the Stanley Cup in 1913 and winning, but having their challenge declared invalid by the Cup's trustees. The Aristocrats challenged the Toronto Blueshirts for the Cup the following year, but to no avail. In 1916 the team was forced to move to Spokane, Washington after having their arena (Patrick Arena) commandeered by the Canadian military. The club folded the following year as the Spokane Canaries.

A new team was formed in 1918 and again were dubbed the Aristocrats. In 1922 they changed their name to the Victoria Cougars. Led by coach Lester Patrick, the Cougars would finally win a Stanley Cup in 1925 against the Montreal Canadiens. The Cougars were the last non-NHL team to hoist the Stanley Cup as well as the last west coast team to win the Cup, until the Anaheim Ducks won the Cup in 2007. They would attempt to repeat as champions in 1926 but they were unsuccessful as they lost the final series to the NHL's Montreal Maroons. The WHL dissolved the following year and the rights to many players from the Stanley Cup finalist team were purchased and relocated to Detroit, MI. The new NHL franchise would retain the nickname "Cougars" in tribute. The Detroit Cougars would later be re-named the Detroit Falcons, and would ultimately be re-named the Detroit Red Wings as they remain today.

Among the notable players in uniform for the Cougars were Hall of Famers Frank Foyston and Frank Fredrickson, goaltender Hec Fowler, Harry Meeking and Clem Loughlin.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cougars

There you have it! I copied and pasted too! Look what I found, The Wings which were known as the falcons which were known as the cougars is the SAME team as the Victoria Cougars! Formed in 1911 and won the cup, twice even! Once against the Quebec Bulldogs which was declared invalid by Cup's trustees and also beat the Montreal Canadians in 1925 for the cup before being moved to Detroit. So I guess the Wings have 13 cups too then

Updated:
Montreal Canadiens...24
Toronto Arenas/St. Patricks/Maple Leafs...13
Victoria Cougars/Detroit Cougars/Falcons/Red Wings...13 Fixed

[DSNY FN]

Hitachi the Wings are not the first team with a Euro captain to win teh cup the Blackhawks did it with a Euro captain many years ago. Here is the info on him and the team that season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gottselig

Jonny was born in Russia and captained the Hawks to the 37/38 cup.

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

Originally Posted by DSNY FN

Hitachi the Wings are not the first team with a Euro captain to win teh cup the Blackhawks did it with a Euro captain many years ago. Here is the info on him and the team that season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gottselig

Jonny was born in Russia and captained the Hawks to the 37/38 cup.

Your kinda grasping at straws there. If you want to be that technical, then yes... ALL Cup winning teams had Euro captain's being as thats were the Caucasian man came from. The very link you gave said he was born in Russia and moved to Canada at a Very Young Age. He started playing hockey in Canada, Trained in Canada, played on Canadian semi pro teams and drafted as a Canadian player. Lidstrom was born in Sweden, started playing hockey in Sweden, Trained in Sweden, Played on semi pro Sweden teams and was drafted by the Wings as Swedish player.

The link you provided didn't even say he was the captain at all, I did some digging around on the net and found it myself. I guess your right because he did come out of his mothers vagina in a Euro country and was promptly whisked away to North America before he could say mama & dada. NA is where he laced his first pair of skates up.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

Your kinda grasping at straws there. If you want to be that technical, then yes... ALL Cup winning teams had Euro captain's being as thats were the Caucasian man came from. The very link you gave said he was born in Russia and moved to Canada at a Very Young Age. He started playing hockey in Canada, Trained in Canada, played on Canadian semi pro teams and drafted as a Canadian player. Lidstrom was born in Sweden, started playing hockey in Sweden, Trained in Sweden, Played on semi pro Sweden teams and was drafted by the Wings as Swedish player.

The link you provided didn't even say he was the captain at all, I did some digging around on the net and found it myself. I guess your right because he did come out of his mothers vagina in a Euro country and was promptly whisked away to North America before he could say mama & dada. NA is where he laced his first pair of skates up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blackhawks

He was captain from 35-40 as listed below. Yes he moved to Canada at a young age but he was born in Russia not like the guys now that have pretty much all been born here.

[edit] Team captains

• Dick Irvin, 1926–29
• Duke Dukowski, 1929–30
• Ty Arbour, 1930–31
• Cy Wentworth, 1931–32
• Helge Bostrom, 1932–33
• Chuck Gardiner, 1933–34
• No captain, 1934–35
• Johnny Gottselig, 1935–40
• Earl Seibert, 1940–42
• Doug Bentley, 1942–44
• Clint Smith, 1944–45
• John Mariucci, 1945–46
• Red Hamill, 1946–47
• John Mariucci, 1947–48
• Gaye Stewart, 1948–49
• Doug Bentley, 1949–50
• Jack Stewart, 1950–52
• Bill Gadsby, 1952–54
• Gus Mortson, 1954–57
• No captain, 1957–58
• Ed Litzenberger, 1958–61

• Pierre Pilote, 1961–68
• No captain, 1968–69
• Pat Stapleton, 1969–70
• No captain, 1970–75
• Pit Martin, 1975–76
• Pit Martin; Stan Mikita; Keith Magnuson, 1976–77
• Keith Magnuson, 1977–79
• Terry Ruskowski, 1979–82
• Darryl Sutter, 1982–87
• Bob Murray, 1985–86
• No captain, 1987–88
• Denis Savard, 1988–89
• Dirk Graham, 1989–95
• Chris Chelios, 1995–99
• Doug Gilmour, 1999–2000
• Tony Amonte, 2000–02
• Alexei Zhamnov, 2002–04
• No captain, 2004–05 (Lockout)
• Adrian Aucoin, 2005–07
• Martin Lapointe, 2006

[Hitachi65SWX20B]

thanks for the link, Like I said thou... I found that info out already. As far as being bor in Russia... Yeah it's true. I still think your grasping at straws with that but I guess you can say you got me on it. I noticed you had nothing to say about the differences I showed you between him and Lidstrom being Euro players.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by Hitachi65SWX20B

thanks for the link, Like I said thou... I found that info out already. As far as being bor in Russia... Yeah it's true. I still think your grasping at straws with that but I guess you can say you got me on it. I noticed you had nothing to say about the differences I showed you between him and Lidstrom being Euro players.

I hadn't even read the entire post sorry Hitachi. Lidstrom was born and raised in Europe and started his hockey there the other was born in Russia and brought to Canada where he learned his hockey yes he learned teh game here but he was born in Russia which makes him a Russian. Just like somone born in the US via Canadian parents re Ray Borque and his kids are American not Canadian.