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Old 02-29-2008, 05:05 PM   #1
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Not sure if anyone else is even a Raiders fan, like myself (although i know eck is), but if you are out there, doesn't it pain you to see the decisions they've been making from last season to now????

1) Drafting Mario Henderson in the 3rd rd?? (did not dress for 1 game)

2)refusing to release lamont jordan in order to activate mike bush, cause the broncos would have signed jordan for the last 3 wks.

3)all this b.s. about al davis and feuding with kiff and wanting him to resign

4)and now, NOW, they sign Tommy Kelly (you all are forgiven if you have never heard of him)to the most lucrative contract in the history of the NFL at the DT position!!

Are you kidding me?!? Al Davis is slowly killing this franchise and it is an utter embarassment.
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you're just noticing now?

sorry i couldn't resist. i feel for yeah, honestly i do. i had the same feeling with my celtics and watching danny ainge sign players like Brian Scalabrine for a crazy ammount. then to promote him like he is a 6th man in the making.

man it sucks to be a raider fan right now but there is allways the hope of the future. i don't see what everyone saw in Russell but that's just me. if anything the raiders should be spending their cake on offensive linemen. when you draft a young QB having a line to keep him standing is very important. signing a DT doesn't really help that #1 pick now does it. if Davis ever came to his senses he would realize you build 1 side of your team and then focus on the other. once you're team is balanced you then throw out contracts to imporve on what you have. doesn't Oakland already have a decent DT, a 6'7" 350lbs beast who finally became that beast everyone knew he could be. why would they bother to sign another high priced tackle. i know games are won the trenches but not the whole game every game. you need talent to throw the ball too and someone to keep your QB standing. defense is worthless if you can't score or if your offense gives up more turnovers then your defense can handle.

they should be all over receivers, offensive linemen, and maybe draft McFadden if they can. what's funny is most draft sites have Oakland drafting Glenn Dorsey who is expected to be a major prospect. looks like they are setting up for McFadden. otherwise it would not make sense to sign this guy.

so have some hope as McFadden is most likely going to end up in Oakland since your DT position is now set for a dam long time.

if they do end up drafting Dorsey then you should lead a picket line outside the stadium.


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Not sure if anyone else is even a Raiders fan, like myself (although i know eck is), but if you are out there, doesn't it pain you to see the decisions they've been making from last season to now????

1) Drafting Mario Henderson in the 3rd rd?? (did not dress for 1 game)

2)refusing to release lamont jordan in order to activate mike bush, cause the broncos would have signed jordan for the last 3 wks.

3)all this b.s. about al davis and feuding with kiff and wanting him to resign

4)and now, NOW, they sign Tommy Kelly (you all are forgiven if you have never heard of him)to the most lucrative contract in the history of the NFL at the DT position!!

Are you kidding me?!? Al Davis is slowly killing this franchise and it is an utter embarassment.
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Not sure if anyone else is even a Raiders fan, like myself (although i know eck is), but if you are out there, doesn't it pain you to see the decisions they've been making from last season to now????

1) Drafting Mario Henderson in the 3rd rd?? (did not dress for 1 game)

2)refusing to release lamont jordan in order to activate mike bush, cause the broncos would have signed jordan for the last 3 wks.

3)all this b.s. about al davis and feuding with kiff and wanting him to resign

4)and now, NOW, they sign Tommy Kelly (you all are forgiven if you have never heard of him)to the most lucrative contract in the history of the NFL at the DT position!!

Are you kidding me?!? Al Davis is slowly killing this franchise and it is an utter embarassment.
Check out Raiderfans.net. This is a Raider fan website and you will probably enjoy it.

If you a Raider fan why in a forum where every fool in America can chime in and laugh at you?

Do you know why Henderson didn't play a down? I don't. Perhaps there are reasons we don't know about.

Sometimes and oftentimes, it takes time for young players to develop.

I hope he does. If not, the draft is a crap shoot anyway.

How would you like to be the Texans who drafted David Carr #1 overall?

How does the name Joey Harrington grab you? Ryan Leaf?

You do your best to evaluate talent and sometimes you guess right and sometimes you don't.

For every bust there is a gem. The Raiders got a few in Namdi Asomughwa and Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard. Morrison was a third round pick.

There are many who don't like the way Kiffin handled the quarterback situation last year. I sure didn't.

All we got was a steady dose of Josh McCown. Don't wait for his bust in the HOF. He was even trotted out hurt for crying out loud.

Kiffin's development or lack of development of the overall pick in the draft J Russ was shameful to say the least.

Who cares about Lamont Jordan? The guy is a bum. They kept him from the Broncos? Good.

It's easy to bash on the Raiders right now and even seems fashionable for media types like ESPN and more. Take a close look and you will see former players who used to have their lunch served by those old time Raiders.

The team has nothing to apologise for or be ashamed of. Yes, the past 5 years have been bad but so what?

Football is cyclical. It was just 6 years ago the team was in the SB.

They have been in 5 in the 40+ years of SBs winning 3.

There are few teams that can really say anything about anything.

Patriot fans? Please. They had a great run this decade right? And before? Nothing.

Chiefs? Last SB was 69. Nuff said.

Jets? Last SB was 68.

Chargers? Once, in 94, 14 years ago and they lost.

Dolphins? Has it been 20+ years since they made the SB? More.

Steelers? Yeah, they won a few years ago and before that it was 1980 since their last visit. How about 25 years?

Cowboys? 90s, almost 15 years ago.

I could go on. What's the point.

If you are going to support your team, support your team. Davis is the Raiders and is the reason for their success.

The team is building and should improve dramatically in the coming seasons why the rest of the division and other powers decline.

The future is bright.
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All those teams you posted about where right.But how fast the Raiders have fallen is what all the joking is about.Al Davis was good in his day now he is the butt of all jokes and deserves to be the butt.When the Raiders drafted a kicker in the 1st round because they had lost 6 games or so by 3 points or less.If the team plays their game the kicker never comes into the equation.The NFL is a now league and you say the Raiders been to 5 bowls in 40 years and that's good.Let me break this down.
New England has been to 5 in the last 23 years but have nothing to be proud of because they achieved in less time than the Raiders?
Pittsburgh has been to 6 over the last 34 or so years and won 5,but let me guess.They been to 1 more than the Raiders and have 2 more Lombardi Trophies for their fans to see than the Raiders.
Just think if the Raiders hadn't got blown out 6 years ago.How long since their last Super Bowl apperance?19-20 years yeah right we can go on and on.
But the truth of the matter is the Raiders suck and as long as Al Davis has the final say and control they are gonna suck.
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All those teams you posted about where right.But how fast the Raiders have fallen is what all the joking is about.Al Davis was good in his day now he is the butt of all jokes and deserves to be the butt.When the Raiders drafted a kicker in the 1st round because they had lost 6 games or so by 3 points or less.If the team plays their game the kicker never comes into the equation.The NFL is a now league and you say the Raiders been to 5 bowls in 40 years and that's good.Let me break this down.
New England has been to 5 in the last 23 years but have nothing to be proud of because they achieved in less time than the Raiders?
Pittsburgh has been to 6 over the last 34 or so years and won 5,but let me guess.They been to 1 more than the Raiders and have 2 more Lombardi Trophies for their fans to see than the Raiders.
Just think if the Raiders hadn't got blown out 6 years ago.How long since their last Super Bowl apperance?19-20 years yeah right we can go on and on.
But the truth of the matter is the Raiders suck and as long as Al Davis has the final say and control they are gonna suck.
Thank you for your comments.

Please read my posts again. I don't think I said anything that was factually inaccurate.

Did you see me say the Raiders were the best ever? No. I said the Raider fans have nothing to be ashamed of. I also said their achievements of 5 SBs in he 40+ years was a great achievement and it is certainly up there with the elite teams.

And, as for those elite teams, and as for all teams, football is cyclical.

Since that SB in 95, it had been 25 years since the Steelers got there.

And, yes, the Pats have won 3 and played in 4 this decade? But what were they before that in the previous 40 years of the AFL/NFL?

Certainly, nothing to scream about.

In fact, if you look at some of those elite teams like the Pats this decade, the Steelers and the 49ers, they had one thing in common that cannot be dismissed.

And, that my friend is the quarterback. Montana, Brady and Bradshaw. Without them, those teams haven't achieved much have they?

The Raiders on the other hand have been to 5 SBs with 4 different quarterbacks and 4 different head coaches.

Was Al Davis dumb then too?

A common denominator for SB champions is a great quarterback.

The Raiders have a young talent who may just be the key ingredient to returning to the SB in the coming years.

Then it will be 6 SBs with 5 quarterbacks and 5 head coaches.

We have nothing to be ashamed of. Our history is as colorful and illustrious as any team.

In fact, more so.

When you think of great games here are a few, Heidi, Sea of Hands, Holy Roller, Ghost to the Post and the forgettable Immaculate Deception.

Did I mention the Snow Job in New England or did you think that was the tuck? If I am not mistaken, to overturn a play there must be indisputable evidence. Yeah, right.

How about great players or did you never see Marcus Allen, George Blanda, Ted Hendricks, Fred Bilitnikoff, Dave Casper, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw and many more. BTW you will find those guys in the HOF.

Great coaches, John Madden, HOF.

Many college awards and trophys are named after Raider greats like the Ray Guy award and the Fred Bilitnikoff award given to the best kicker and receiver.

Oh, and lets not forget rule changes like the fumble at the end of a game, use of stick um and the bump and run. Those rules were designed to stymie the success of the Raiders.

You don't have to be a Raider fan. Not everyone can be Italian either.

However, don't try to ridicule the success of the team or minimize the success. It speaks for itself.

Yes. They have had 5 straight bad years.

However, if I am not mistaken the new season starts this year right?

And, next year too right? It may just be a Silver and Black future.
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yeah, i'm part of raider forums already -- thanks for the info on that one. the thing that pisses me off about henderson is that fact that he wasnt a bust.. to be a bust you have to be sought after and are supposed to be good.. henderson did not start for his college team until his senior year and people did not have them coming off the board until late 4th or 5th rds!!! of course my man al had him rated in the 3rd rd and traded a pick this year to get him. did not even dress.. tom cable says he's got a lot of work to do to be ready.
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Me & my brother were talking about the Raiders last nite, mainly Al Davis. My brother is alot older than me, he is 55, & he was talking about what a great pioneer Davis was in helping football out back in the 60's & we all know how tuff they was for so many years. But my brother said & I agree that Davis has actually lost his ability to comprehend reality wich causes all these crazy moves that make you Raider fans so mad.

Now Davis' mind could be in so bad of shape he doesn't realize how he is destroying what he worked so hard to build & we was wondering, doesn't Davis have a son to pass the team down to???
We figured if he had a son Davis would have set it up for him to run the organization once Davis got this old or sick.

I hope things work out for you guys, being a Steeler fan myself I am of course a "Raider hater" but at the same time I have always had the utmost respect for their organization & the great teams they always put on the field in the past. I wil never forget when they had guys like Cliff Branch & Biletnikoff, Dave Casper, Kenny "the snake" Stabler, Ted Hendricks, Marcus Allen, Lester Hayes & his quart of stickum on each hand...lol...& of course their great coach John Madden & I could go on & on. It is very sad as a football fan to see this franchise with so much history in the shape it is in now. Good Luck!

EDIT: No way I could post all those players above & leave out Mark Van EEghen, almost forgot him & he crossed my mind soon as I posted this. He was a tough RB!
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"Who cares about Lamont Jordan? The guy is a bum. They kept him from the Broncos? Good."


you are missing the point here, pete.. jordan ended up being 3rd string rb because of the emergence of fargas and cause of injury. kiffin didn't like his attitude anyhow, so he wasn't going to see the field, and jordan knew this, asking the raiders for his release. the broncos also had rb issues at this point and expressed interest in signing him if the raiders did release him. the raiders weren't playing for shit and neither were the broncos. with letting him go and activationg mike bush, the raiders could see if bush was the real deal (would have been a top 10 pick if he did not break his leg against kentucky his senior season) and this would let them know their rb situation for next year. instead, to spite the broncos, good ol al does not let kiffin release jordan and bush has to spend the rest of the season on the IR...

Dumb-ass personnel decision of the year.. Why?? Cause now they don't know if they should draft DMC or not at #4 cause they don't know what the fuck they have with bush yet. Its stupid ass things like this the al continues to do (keeping jarrod cooper active when he blew his knee out and needed season ending surgery is another dumb-ass example) that makes us the laughing stock of the nfl.

*And yes, i will be handing over my $250 to directv next season for the nfl sunday ticket once again!!
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Me & my brother were talking about the Raiders last nite, mainly Al Davis. My brother is alot older than me, he is 55, & he was talking about what a great pioneer Davis was in helping football out back in the 60's & we all know how tuff they was for so many years. But my brother said & I agree that Davis has actually lost his ability to comprehend reality wich causes all these crazy moves that make you Raider fans so mad.

Now Davis' mind could be in so bad of shape he doesn't realize how he is destroying what he worked so hard to build & we was wondering, doesn't Davis have a son to pass the team down to???
We figured if he had a son Davis would have set it up for him to run the organization once Davis got this old or sick.

I hope things work out for you guys, being a Steeler fan myself I am of course a "Raider hater" but at the same time I have always had the utmost respect for their organization & the great teams they always put on the field in the past. I wil never forget when they had guys like Cliff Branch & Biletnikoff, Dave Casper, Kenny "the snake" Stabler, Ted Hendricks, Marcus Allen, Lester Hayes & his quart of stickum on each hand...lol...& of course their great coach John Madden & I could go on & on. It is very sad as a football fan to see this franchise with so much history in the shape it is in now. Good Luck!

EDIT: No way I could post all those players above & leave out Mark Van EEghen, almost forgot him & he crossed my mind soon as I posted this. He was a tough RB!
Nice post DB.

Raider and Steeler fans have a keen dislike and mutual respect based on the actions on the field from those glorious days of the 70s.

A lot of folks have questioned Davis's ability and whether the game has passed him by. I don't.

For me the problems have been lack of talent more than anything else.

One look at the pro bowl rosters the last few years will reinforce that.

In 2002, (SB year) the Raiders sent MVP of the league Rich Gannon, Tim Brown, Lincoln Kennedy, Barrett Robbins, Woodson and the punter to the pro bowl. This with a team that also had Jerry Rice and Charlie Garner.

You need talent to win and a good quarterback to lead.

Since then the team has been led by Rick Mire, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and Josh McCown.

Get better talent and all of a sudden Davis looks pretty smart.
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Do any of you guys know the answer to the question I put in the middle of my above post.

Does Davis have a son to pass the team on to when he is finished?

Me & my brother were wondering about this. Thanks for any info!
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Do any of you guys know the answer to the question I put in the middle of my above post.

Does Davis have a son to pass the team on to when he is finished?

Me & my brother were wondering about this. Thanks for any info!
He has a daughter and either she or Amy Trask will take over the team when Davis finally hangs it up.
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He has a daughter and either she or Amy Trask will take over the team when Davis finally hangs it up.
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But Davis is in charge of the talent... that's where this gets all messed up. i know you can't win w/out talent, but no talent is going to come into this level of dysfunction and losing, until we win.. they need to start signing blue collar, hard working, character guys and go from there.

they guys you mentioned starting with Gannon were all brought in via free agency.. those guys are easy to find, talent-wise, they have already been developed by other teams (although Gannon was a hidden gem -- brought in because of Gruden, not Al).. where i and others think davis has lost "it" is with young talent in the draft.. look at our recent drafts and where are our picks?? besides morrison and howard and aso, who has been productive???

we have to draft smart, get back to at least 8-8 (that's sad isn't it -- hoping for a .500 season) and then we will be able to sign talent. but it all starts with the draft, and al needs a GM for some help there. Drafting guys that look good coming off the bus isn't doing it anymore.
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But Davis is in charge of the talent... that's where this gets all messed up. i know you can't win w/out talent, but no talent is going to come into this level of dysfunction and losing, until we win.. they need to start signing blue collar, hard working, character guys and go from there.

they guys you mentioned starting with Gannon were all brought in via free agency.. those guys are easy to find, talent-wise, they have already been developed by other teams (although Gannon was a hidden gem -- brought in because of Gruden, not Al).. where i and others think davis has lost "it" is with young talent in the draft.. look at our recent drafts and where are our picks?? besides morrison and howard and aso, who has been productive???

we have to draft smart, get back to at least 8-8 (that's sad isn't it -- hoping for a .500 season) and then we will be able to sign talent. but it all starts with the draft, and al needs a GM for some help there. Drafting guys that look good coming off the bus isn't doing it anymore.
You can't argue that point. Nap Harris, Brayton, Gibson, Philip Buchanon and others have been huge disappointments and a big part of the reason the team has not florished or had success.

For that Davis must surely carry the blame.

However, I am a positive sort of guy. I like to focus on positves than negatives.

You can't change what happened yesterday but you can do a whole lot about today and tomorrow.

The Raiders lost 5-7 games last year while either leading or trailing by a score in the 4th quarter.

A play here and a play there and the team would be in the thick of contention rather than dwelling in the basement.

With that said, one can't hope to be optimistic that with the proper acquistion of the right players in the right spot can improve things.

The teams has obvious needs in stopping the run, pass blocking and wide receiver.

The development of the quarterback will come with each week so I am not overly concerned there. In fact, rather optimistic as I see Russell having as much talent as anyone coming out of college since John Elway.

The running game was solid and a strength of the team. It should be better next year with Michael Bush joining an already strong group.

Losing Porter is a plus and minus. Bad attitude and marginal producer but now the team is thinner at the position and must certainly address it.

Will the team stand pat at #4 or trade to acquire picks? That's a big question.

At 4 they are surely to get one of these players, Mcfadden, Jake Long, Chris Long, Ellis from USC and/or Dorsey from LSU. Any one would look good in S&B.

I am pulling for Chris Long as I see him as the best prospect for the Raiders and will help solidify a pass rush that has been lacking in recent years.

Should be fun to watch and please, join us on Raiderfans.net. You can hear others opinions on the Raiders favorable and critical.
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Wow.. you think they payed Gibril Wilson enough money?? I know we need a strong safey like yesterday but damn... Anyway it'll be nice to see how Huff is when he's able to roam a little bit in the FS spot.
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