NBA '07-'08 season

[JD_90]

Originally Posted by robox4

I don't know, the last time I answered a question (who's excited for the NBA?) I caught hell for it. But I'll take a calculated risk nontheless. I am an avid basketball fan. College basketball, that is. The NBA is a complete joke, from the atrocious officiating, to the constant traveling, to the lack of fundamentals and shooting skills, to the knock a guy on his ass anytime someone comes down the lane, to the silent crowds, to the lack of effort by many to the....

I would rather go to College Park and see my Maryland Terrapins play a weak non-conference opponent than go to an NBA Finals game.

I agree with alot of your points, and I am a much bigger NCAABB fan than I am NBA fan, but I still like to watch the NBA. The playoffs are always pretty entertaining, but last year they were ATROCIOUS, even though my Cavs made it to the Finals. I don't know, but there were barely any exciting games. Hopefully the playoffs aren't ever like that again.

[JD_90]

Originally Posted by truba11a

if the nba isnt basketball why is there 0 NCAA players on USA basketball? (coach k doesnt count) the nba is great the only people who are really into NCAA basketball or football are the people who attend/ed the colleges that are good teams (florida duke ucla etc) whereas the nba an entire state can follow 1 sometimes 2 teams...anyway enough on that topic my teams are the nuggets cavs knicks nets but in reality its gonna be spurs against cavs boston or miami but im pulling for iverson to geta ring deserves it

Maybe Team USA needs to get some college players, because clearly Team USA sucks ass with all those pros. They get beat by teams from countries that nobody's ever heard of before. It's a joke.

[truba11a]

Originally Posted by JD_90

Maybe Team USA needs to get some college players, because clearly Team USA sucks ass with all those pros. They get beat by teams from countries that nobody's ever heard of before. It's a joke.

actually theres a reason college players go to the nba its a higher level of play hence, kobe/lebrons jump directly to the pros

[drbrosco]

What is up here with Andrew Bynum??? I drafted him as my #2 center on my CBS fantasy team cause I believe I read he was the man at Center for the lakers this year. Well he didn't even start the 3rd quarter tonite & only has 7 fantasy points in 1st half=means he didn't do nothing hardly. AND I just heard the announcer say it was a 3 man battle between Bynum, Kwame & Mihm...looks like I messed up here

[bboncorr]

Originally Posted by drbrosco

What is up here with Andrew Bynum??? I drafted him as my #2 center on my CBS fantasy team cause I believe I read he was the man at Center for the lakers this year. Well he didn't even start the 3rd quarter tonite & only has 7 fantasy points in 1st half=means he didn't do nothing hardly. AND I just heard the announcer say it was a 3 man battle between Bynum, Kwame & Mihm...looks like I messed up here

bad move. bynum doesnt have the conditioning or maturity for a starting position in a lakers uniform. did you hear that bynum was over a half hour late to the stadium. phil jackson fined him right on camera. bynum doesnt seem to have a professional attitude and as long as kobe is there bynum might never become that next great center.

the celtics look dominate and i dont know how anyone can't put them top 3 in the east. K.G. is a whole lot bigger and physical this year then i ever remember him to be. look at the guns on k.g. this season. his all around game is showing now that he trusts his teamates and ray allen looks like he was never hurt. pierce is actuly been playing defense for a full game instead of just the 4 quarter. forget that "yeah but who do they got past those 3" b.s. talk.

tony allen is about 75% and he was still killing people in the preseason. he is basicly ricky davis but slightly better at everything esp. defense. having that type of playing coming off the bench is huge.

posey has always been a very good defender and will be a good player against backups.

glen davis is a freak of nature. this guy moves like a shooting guard. im not even exagerating. sure he can't stop on a dime at full speed but he plays like a 6'6" shooting guard and even has the dribble to go with the game. then on D he is a whole lot better then i thought he would be and his rebounding is great. he reminds me of A. "wiggle" walker only he can jump a whole lot higher.

rondo has proved he can shut down the best point guards in the league. he shut down tony parker last season and parker could not get by him without getting double picks. he can blow by any guard in the nba and only his shot is questionable. his shot looks a whole lot better this year and his on court awareness is that of a 7 year vet (he is only 21).

perkins is a very good banger who will get some open looks from k.g.. k.g. seems to have taken perk under his wing and is molding him into a beast. this preseason k.g. started force feeding perkins down low and you can see that perk is finaly healthy again. having the best big man coach in the league has paid off big time just from watching k.g. being much bigger and perk finaly looking like he knows some offensive basketball.

eddie house is a gunner who can score in bunches. when he takes on second line guys there is no way he will be contained esp. when you consider he will be going 1 on 1 because one of the big three will always be in the game. remember "the only time eddie house doesn't shoot is when he doesn't have the ball", and shooting is somthing he can definetly do.

how much more does a team need in the east. every season pierce starts off avg. 30pts then the triple teams start coming and he can't get squat. now they can't do that and he has already proven he wont and cant be guarded one on one.


sorry but no team in the east has that type of all around squad. the raptors will not beat the celtics and we will see what the heat, pistons, and bulls can do against us but the cavs have no chance. that blowout might have been in the preseason but everyone saw it was a statment game for both teams and it was a blowout early. the stars played basicly the whole game. man i wish i didnt give away my tickets to that game.

[robox4]

Originally Posted by truba11a

actually theres a reason college players go to the nba its a higher level of play hence, kobe/lebrons jump directly to the pros

That most certainly was a typo. I believe the OP meant to say "a higher level of pay".

[drbrosco]

Man it is hard to believe Dwight Howard is only 21. He is averaging over 23 ppg & 15 rpg & almost 3 blocked shots a game.

Bill Walton even talked on SportsCenter this morning about what a beast this guy is. He had 39 pts & 23 rbs against Amare Stoudamire last nite.

They were the first team to beat the Celtics this year. Plus Rashard Lewis compliments Howard well. The Magic could very well be a tuff team to contend with come playoff time.

[MattRCT]

Originally Posted by drbrosco

Man it is hard to believe Dwight Howard is only 21. He is averaging over 23 ppg & 15 rpg & almost 3 blocked shots a game.

Bill Walton even talked on SportsCenter this morning about what a beast this guy is. He had 39 pts & 23 rbs against Amare Stoudamire last nite.

They were the first team to beat the Celtics this year. Plus Rashard Lewis compliments Howard well. The Magic could very well be a tuff team to contend with come playoff time.

Dwight Howard is a beast. I love watchin that kid play.

[pappylap]

The concept of team ball goes out the window when players move on to the NBA (Not Baketball Anymore) its all about me and how many endorsments I can get... Dennis Rodman showed everyone that you can have mediocre talent and make millions if you stir up enough media print about you....can you believe this guy used to have a cartoon about him...now theres a role model I want my kids to emulate...

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by pappylap

The concept of team ball goes out the window when players move on to the NBA (Not Baketball Anymore) its all about me and how many endorsments I can get... Dennis Rodman showed everyone that you can have mediocre talent and make millions if you stir up enough media print about you....can you believe this guy used to have a cartoon about him...now theres a role model I want my kids to emulate...

Obviously you don't watch much NBA basketball.

Baseball is the ultimate example of individualism. 90% of the time the game is about the pitcher, batter and catcher, while everybody else is either in the dugout or standing at their positions and waiting...

[pappylap]

You are right Bruce I dont watch "Any" not since the lakers celtics of magic and birds era...
I fail to see what baseball has to do with a sport where you run picks and switches and each player on offense at the time has an opportunity to score.... My point is the college game is still geared toward the concept of team play and the running of set plays to achive the desired result.... NBA is street ball glorified ... they could play it with a 10 second shot clock JMHO

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by pappylap

You are right Bruce I dont watch "Any" not since the lakers celtics of magic and birds era...
I fail to see what baseball has to do with a sport where you run picks and switches and each player on offense at the time has an opportunity to score.... My point is the college game is still geared toward the concept of team play and the running of set plays to achive the desired result.... NBA is street ball glorified ... they could play it with a 10 second shot clock JMHO

The NBA, like any other sport, is geared towards winning. If the 'team' play you mention in college ball isn't used to the same extent in the NBA, or in the same way, it's because it's not as effective. There is a lot of great teams and great team play with lots of fast breaks, swing passing for the open shot, penetrate and dish, pick and roll and many other team plays on both sides of the ball. But the NBA does have stars that will try to take over the game, but that kind of 1 on 5 play is very infrequent. Like I said, it's all about winning, just like college ball, except they play 3 times as many games with 8 more minutes per game, in order to improve chemistry and to perform at a higher level. Hard to appreciate it without seeing it though. To each his own.

I remember the great Magic and Bird years, I have some classic games on DVD that I like to bust out once in a while for old times sake.

[pappylap]

Thats Ok bruce, you are a fan, I'm not.. life is good
any chance of hitting 300 hddvds by Jan 1st.....

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by pappylap

Thats Ok bruce, you are a fan, I'm not.. life is good
any chance of hitting 300 hddvds by Jan 1st.....

I highly doubt it. Maybe 270 tops. Amazon finally had a good sale on HD DVDs last week so I bought 24 of them. Anyway, I gotta start to think about buying xmas presents and I already bought mine.

[Marty0503]

Originally Posted by pappylap

The concept of team ball goes out the window when players move on to the NBA (Not Baketball Anymore) its all about me and how many endorsments I can get... Dennis Rodman showed everyone that you can have mediocre talent and make millions if you stir up enough media print about you....can you believe this guy used to have a cartoon about him...now theres a role model I want my kids to emulate...

I seen this thread and started reading through it because I'm a huge basketball fan, whether it be NBA, NCAA, or highschool ball doesn't matter. I love it all.
Most people who do not like the NBA game are NCAA fans that say the they don't like the pro's because of all the 1 on 1 play, they like more of a team game like they see in NCAA.
Well I think about it like this, the NCAA has a great range of players at all talent levels, most of which will NEVER make it to the NBA, why you ask? because they do not have enough individual talent to make it in the pro's. The 12th man sitting at the end of any NBA bench has more talent then most NCAA players. If he didn't he wouldn't be sitting there making all that money. Individual talent is what gets you to the NBA, so of course you're going to see more individual isolation plays and 1 on 1 stuff there. The NCAA by default is more of a team game because most of the players just do not have the skills to do what the NBA guys do.
Just take a look at all the NCAA champions of the last 20 years or so. There hasn't been one champion in that time who didn't have at least 1 player move on to the NBA.
Another thing that has affected the level of talent in the NCAA is the fact that the top rated highschool players all seen $ signs and jumped straight to the pros, (Garnett, Bryant, James) Now that the NBA has changed the rules you are going to see more 1 year college players, (Kevin Durant, Greg Oden). If it weren't for that rule change I gurantee you that neither of thoes guys would have went to college.
The new rule did help but the fact is that the great players will still go to the NBA after 1 year of school. Until that changes, the NCAA will suffer from a talent standpoint.

Oh, I guess I should explain why I quoted that post. I just kind of chuckeld when I read what he said about Dennis Rodman being "mediocre talent" I wouldn't call myself a Rodman fan, but still, I have to give credit where credit is due......

All-NBA Third Team (1992, 1995)
NBA All-Star Team (1990, 1992)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award (1990, 1991)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1989–93, 1995, 1996)
NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1994)
NBA Top Rebounds Per Game (1992–98)
NBA Top Rebound Rate (1991–98)
NBA Top Total Rebounds (1992–94, 1998)
NBA Top Offensive Rebounds (1991–94, 1996, 1997)
NBA Top Defensive Rebounds (1992, 1994, 1998)
NBA Top Field Goal Percentage (1989)
5 time NBA Champion (1989 & 1990 (Detroit), 1996–98 (Chicago))