NASCAR- Making this up as they go?

F91 · 02-23-2007, 10:44 AM

Seems like every year they change the chase rules. They want to make things more exciting, OK, but what's the deal with them not throwing the yellow at Daytona when 90% of the field is crashing? Did they want the young "marketable" guy to win, as opposed to the semi-retired Mark Martin? I know NASCAR's #1 product is marketing, but the arbitrary and random way they run the sport is getting old.

Lee Stewart · 02-23-2007, 12:02 PM

The crash was BEHIND the leaders. It in no way affected their abilityto race for the checkered flag. They only had about 1000 yards to go.

Yes I believe everyone was rooting for Mark Martin to win but IF theyahd thrown the yellow, I believe millions of people would have cried "Foul . . .they gave the race to MM. . .it was a token win"

Sort of like what happened when Paul Newman won the Best Actor Award for THE COLOR OF MONEY. . . no real acting . . .a bad movie, . . . but he had lost so many times in the past when maybe he should have won that they decided he is an award winning actor. . .give him the damn award.

After that incredible finish to the Craftsman Truck race, NASCASR made a good decision in my opinion. Everyone was on their feet to watch and cheer the winner.

As an avid watcher of NASCAR, nothing more boring than watching the winner of a race cross the finish line 10 seconds ahead of #2.

That is why my primary passion is Drag Racing where inches and 1/1000 of a second can decide the winner.

Oh and by the way . . . having HD cameras INSIDE the cars is unbelievable!!!!

pappylap · 02-23-2007, 12:12 PM

A 500 mile race was decided by 2 feet, want more do ya want???

DSNY FN · 02-23-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pappylap

A 500 mile race was decided by 2 feet, want more do ya want???

I want F1 to start up again rather than this good old boys crap LOL. I can just hear it now that Toyota is in teh series and they finnished so poorly all teh good southern boys that cried about them getting into the sport are now laughing and saying the all mighty I told you a jap manufacturer couldn't hang with the big boys. Please F1 start your season earlier....

Lee Stewart · 02-23-2007, 04:28 PM

You know, I had a really hard time figuring out which car was a Toyota, and which was a Ford, and which was a Chevy.

You know they all look the same to me.

And what kind of a powerplant were those Toyota's running?

Wasn't aware the that Toyota was available with a small block V-8 with a four barrel carb for induction.

Due to the rules of NASCAR, anyone can get in (manufacturer wise) and about the only part of the car that has anything to do with that manufacturer . . . is their name on the door.

Same thing in Drag Racing. Toyota is now involved as a team sponsor on a Funny Car . . . with no Toyota parts on it . . .same as all the other cars. The lift up body does look "a little" like a Toyota . . .but only dead on.

**rbinck** · 02-23-2007, 05:03 PM

I don't know what southern boys you are talking about. The southern boys inside NASCAR are all excited about Toys being in the races. They realize that Toy cars will bring a lot of new excitement to the series. And as Darrell says, the Toys (Camery) are the only cars in the race that are built in the USA!

DSNY FN · 02-23-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rbinck

I don't know what southern boys you are talking about. The southern boys inside NASCAR are all excited about Toys being in the races. They realize that Toy cars will bring a lot of new excitement to the series. And as Darrell says, the Toys (Camery) are the only cars in the race that are built in the USA!

There was a big thing on wind tunnel one night after Toyota announced that thye were going to be running the series and Despain was flooded with phone calls and e mails and so on from disgruntled fans in the south about how they shouldn't be able to join the ranks as they were not an American car company and crap like that. One thing Toyota has shown me over the years of racing watching F1 is that they have tonnes of money to throw at it and never really produce much for all that money spent. F1 is a prime example they keep spending and spending they have the largest budget in F1 over 800 mil a season I think it was quoted at and they still haven't done squat in the series.

**rbinck** · 02-23-2007, 08:55 PM

Judging by the reaction at the race and what I hear in Houston, those were not NASCAR fans so much as Toy haters. But we shall see over this season, I guess.

Lee Stewart · 02-23-2007, 11:14 PM

DSNY:

One thing Toyota has shown me over the years of racing watching F1 is that they have tonnes of money to throw at it and never really produce much for all that money spent. F1 is a prime example they keep spending and spending they have the largest budget in F1 over 800 mil a season I think it was quoted at and they still haven't done squat in the series.

Sounds like your favorite Manufacturer isn't doing well and you wish they would do better.

godson · 02-24-2007, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

You know, I had a really hard time figuring out which car was a Toyota, and which was a Ford, and which was a Chevy.

You know they all look the same to me.

And what kind of a powerplant were those Toyota's running?

Wasn't aware the that Toyota was available with a small block V-8 with a four barrel carb for induction.

Due to the rules of NASCAR, anyone can get in (manufacturer wise) and about the only part of the car that has anything to do with that manufacturer . . . is their name on the door.

Same thing in Drag Racing. Toyota is now involved as a team sponsor on a Funny Car . . . with no Toyota parts on it . . .same as all the other cars. The lift up body does look "a little" like a Toyota . . .but only dead on.

Hell yea bro...I think it was like '68 when they released their first,a 3.0L V8,then in '69 I believe it bacame the 5.0L that some 20 years later would go into the Lexus LS 400. I believe currently they are using a 5.9L for the Nascar series...not a huge Nascar fan but I do follow some maybe if im wrong Im sure a more devoted fan will correct mehttp://www.motortrend.com/features/c.../photo_05.html

Lee Stewart · 02-24-2007, 03:56 AM

Complete with Holley/Demon 4 barrel.

If this is so and they are using there own long block as Ford and Chevy and Dodge do then great.

I wish them good luck.

DSNY FN · 02-24-2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

DSNY:

One thing Toyota has shown me over the years of racing watching F1 is that they have tonnes of money to throw at it and never really produce much for all that money spent. F1 is a prime example they keep spending and spending they have the largest budget in F1 over 800 mil a season I think it was quoted at and they still haven't done squat in the series.

Sounds like your favorite Manufacturer isn't doing well and you wish they would do better.

Actually I hate Toyota and I hate NASCAR I am a Ferrari Fan in F1 and Corvette and Caddy and BMW in Le Mans series racing those are the only types of auto racing I even consider to be good racing. All roadcourses no ovals where all you do is turn left all day atleast in Cart the majority of the races are road/street courses unlike IRL and Nascar. I mean how good do you really have to be to turn left all afternoon honestly. No offense to the nascar fans but I just can't call it racing when you drive in circles making the same left tun and never have to trun right or throw in a hairpin or chicane etc.

Lee Stewart · 02-24-2007, 12:02 PM

Hey my passion is Drag Racing - no turning at all!

DSNY FN · 02-24-2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Hey my passion is Drag Racing - no turning at all!

Atleast in dragracing it takes the measure of the man behind the wheel and his reaction time bad reaction time = you go home I commend them it isn't an easy thing to do to be on the tree as close to perfect every pass and home your car doesn't let you down in the 8 seconds or less depending on your class and bracket.

champ27 · 02-25-2007, 07:49 AM

I hear you F91. I thought they got rid of "racing back to the line ", a few years ago. Is there a little known rule that says "not including the last lap". the purpose of the caution flag to to slow the competitors down due to potential for disaster. Although throwing the yellow may not have affected the outcome of the top 2, what about the 40 cars behind them that it would have been saved by the caution?

here is a suggestion. When you have a green white checkered finnish, drop the bottom 33 cars, send the to the garage. the top ten can race the final three laps "clean", just the way the chase happens at the end of the year. whichever make the rules the same throughout the event. Dont make exceptions just to suit the situation.

But that might not be good for ratings, which is what sports is really about.

02-23-2007, 12:12 PM	#3
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02-23-2007, 05:03 PM	#6
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,301	I don't know what southern boys you are talking about. The southern boys inside NASCAR are all excited about Toys being in the races. They realize that Toy cars will bring a lot of new excitement to the series. And as Darrell says, the Toys (Camery) are the only cars in the race that are built in the USA! __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

02-23-2007, 08:55 PM	#8
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,301	Judging by the reaction at the race and what I hear in Houston, those were not NASCAR fans so much as Toy haters. But we shall see over this season, I guess. __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

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02-23-2007, 10:44 AM	#1
F91 Plasmatic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Port Orchard, WA Posts: 2,784	NASCAR- Making this up as they go? Seems like every year they change the chase rules. They want to make things more exciting, OK, but what's the deal with them not throwing the yellow at Daytona when 90% of the field is crashing? Did they want the young "marketable" guy to win, as opposed to the semi-retired Mark Martin? I know NASCAR's #1 product is marketing, but the arbitrary and random way they run the sport is getting old.

02-23-2007, 12:02 PM	#2
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 58 Posts: 25,181	The crash was BEHIND the leaders. It in no way affected their abilityto race for the checkered flag. They only had about 1000 yards to go. Yes I believe everyone was rooting for Mark Martin to win but IF theyahd thrown the yellow, I believe millions of people would have cried "Foul . . .they gave the race to MM. . .it was a token win" Sort of like what happened when Paul Newman won the Best Actor Award for THE COLOR OF MONEY. . . no real acting . . .a bad movie, . . . but he had lost so many times in the past when maybe he should have won that they decided he is an award winning actor. . .give him the damn award. After that incredible finish to the Craftsman Truck race, NASCASR made a good decision in my opinion. Everyone was on their feet to watch and cheer the winner. As an avid watcher of NASCAR, nothing more boring than watching the winner of a race cross the finish line 10 seconds ahead of #2. That is why my primary passion is Drag Racing where inches and 1/1000 of a second can decide the winner. Oh and by the way . . . having HD cameras INSIDE the cars is unbelievable!!!!

02-23-2007, 04:28 PM	#5
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 58 Posts: 25,181	You know, I had a really hard time figuring out which car was a Toyota, and which was a Ford, and which was a Chevy. You know they all look the same to me. And what kind of a powerplant were those Toyota's running? Wasn't aware the that Toyota was available with a small block V-8 with a four barrel carb for induction. Due to the rules of NASCAR, anyone can get in (manufacturer wise) and about the only part of the car that has anything to do with that manufacturer . . . is their name on the door. Same thing in Drag Racing. Toyota is now involved as a team sponsor on a Funny Car . . . with no Toyota parts on it . . .same as all the other cars. The lift up body does look "a little" like a Toyota . . .but only dead on.

02-23-2007, 11:14 PM	#9
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 58 Posts: 25,181	DSNY: One thing Toyota has shown me over the years of racing watching F1 is that they have tonnes of money to throw at it and never really produce much for all that money spent. F1 is a prime example they keep spending and spending they have the largest budget in F1 over 800 mil a season I think it was quoted at and they still haven't done squat in the series. Sounds like your favorite Manufacturer isn't doing well and you wish they would do better.

02-24-2007, 03:56 AM	#11
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 58 Posts: 25,181	Complete with Holley/Demon 4 barrel. If this is so and they are using there own long block as Ford and Chevy and Dodge do then great. I wish them good luck.

02-24-2007, 12:02 PM	#13
Lee Stewart Behold - the future! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 58 Posts: 25,181	Hey my passion is Drag Racing - no turning at all!

02-25-2007, 07:49 AM	#15
champ27 My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trenton, ON Posts: 7	I hear you F91. I thought they got rid of "racing back to the line ", a few years ago. Is there a little known rule that says "not including the last lap". the purpose of the caution flag to to slow the competitors down due to potential for disaster. Although throwing the yellow may not have affected the outcome of the top 2, what about the 40 cars behind them that it would have been saved by the caution? here is a suggestion. When you have a green white checkered finnish, drop the bottom 33 cars, send the to the garage. the top ten can race the final three laps "clean", just the way the chase happens at the end of the year. whichever make the rules the same throughout the event. Dont make exceptions just to suit the situation. But that might not be good for ratings, which is what sports is really about.