NASCAR- Making this up as they go?

[F91]

Interesting side note- ISC-NASCAR was attempting to get the State to pay for half of a Track to be located about 2 miles from my house. Lot's of local opposition, this has been going on for 2 years now. ISC announced Monday that it is pulling out of the Kitsap county site. Even though I like NASCAR, I'm glad to see them pull the plug. I'm not in to paying for France to get another yacht.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by F91

Interesting side note- ISC-NASCAR was attempting to get the State to pay for half of a Track to be located about 2 miles from my house. Lot's of local opposition, this has been going on for 2 years now. ISC announced Monday that it is pulling out of the Kitsap county site. Even though I like NASCAR, I'm glad to see them pull the plug. I'm not in to paying for France to get another yacht.

Maybe something that would help Nascar would be to run on roadcourses and stop with all the crappy cookie cutter circle track crap. Let the drivers actually drive and turn left and right to see who the best DRIVER is and test the DRIVERS skill what a novel idea.

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Originally Posted by DSNY FN

Maybe something that would help Nascar would be to run on roadcourses and stop with all the crappy cookie cutter circle track crap. Let the drivers actually drive and turn left and right to see who the best DRIVER is and test the DRIVERS skill what a novel idea.

Nascar runs two road course each year (Watkins Glen & Infineon). More have been suggested but there are not many venues that would be able to support the monster of logistics that is NASCAR.
Although many tracks appear to be "Cookie Cutter", no more than two of each are simular in any way. A good example is Texas and Atlanta. Although these are the two fastest and appear to be the same (1.5 mi., 24/5 degree banking), drivers say that they race very differently and those that race well on one frequently don't on the other.
An additional problem is how to construct new tracks. We don't want another Talladega (one is enough) or another Bristol. Road courses do not have the variety of uses that a speedway offers and thus potential to earn more. What configuration for a new track is the real conundrum.
One last note, the yachts bought from new facilities will belong to ISC boss Bruton Smith, not Bill France.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by 5 is # 1

Nascar runs two road course each year (Watkins Glen & Infineon). More have been suggested but there are not many venues that would be able to support the monster of logistics that is NASCAR.
Although many tracks appear to be "Cookie Cutter", no more than two of each are simular in any way. A good example is Texas and Atlanta. Although these are the two fastest and appear to be the same (1.5 mi., 24/5 degree banking), drivers say that they race very differently and those that race well on one frequently don't on the other.
An additional problem is how to construct new tracks. We don't want another Talladega (one is enough) or another Bristol. Road courses do not have the variety of uses that a speedway offers and thus potential to earn more. What configuration for a new track is the real conundrum.
One last note, the yachts bought from new facilities will belong to ISC boss Bruton Smith, not Bill France.

Funny you mention that our road courses up here get far more use from all forms of racing than our ovals. As for NASCAR using more roadcourses try using Laguna they pack that place for the Moto GP events I think they sait it was almost 200 thousand people last year for the race. Try Barber that would be another great venue and Miller motorsports out west would be another great roadcourse. Then you can see who the real drivers are and who the circle jerks are in the series. I just don't think the Nascar boys could handle racing on tracks like this it would be to much pressure you know turning left and turning right LOL.


Links to the circuits.
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/home.php

http://www.barbermotorsports.com/

http://www.laguna-seca.com/

[pappylap]

Originally Posted by 5 is # 1

Nascar runs two road course each year (Watkins Glen & Infineon). More have been suggested but there are not many venues that would be able to support the monster of logistics that is NASCAR.
Although many tracks appear to be "Cookie Cutter", no more than two of each are simular in any way. A good example is Texas and Atlanta. Although these are the two fastest and appear to be the same (1.5 mi., 24/5 degree banking), drivers say that they race very differently and those that race well on one frequently don't on the other.
An additional problem is how to construct new tracks. We don't want another Talladega (one is enough) or another Bristol. Road courses do not have the variety of uses that a speedway offers and thus potential to earn more. What configuration for a new track is the real conundrum.
One last note, the yachts bought from new facilities will belong to ISC boss Bruton Smith, not Bill France.

I would lump Charlotte and Vegas in with Texas and Atlanta....Chicago and Kansas seem very similar also...California and Michigan very similar tracks.

[F91]

The difference in the tracks with similar layouts is usually the surface. That doesn't translate very well to the viewer, who sees another cookie cutter track. The "new" NASCAR fan doesn't care about the different bank angles or whether the surface is concrete, they want the action that NASCAR has promised and that hasn't panned out lately, outside of the last few laps at Daytona. BTW, France or Smith ain't gettin' rich off of my taxes, they took their ball and went home.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by F91

The difference in the tracks with similar layouts is usually the surface. That doesn't translate very well to the viewer, who sees another cookie cutter track. The "new" NASCAR fan doesn't care about the different bank angles or whether the surface is concrete, they want the action that NASCAR has promised and that hasn't panned out lately, outside of the last few laps at Daytona. BTW, France or Smith ain't gettin' rich off of my taxes, they took their ball and went home.

I watched wind tunnel with Dave Despain the other niht and they had the promoter for the Texas race on and he was urging people to come out to the race. HE said he had been getting e mails and letters that ticket prices were to high his answer to them was this. Well the parking is free and you can bring your own cooler for snacks and if you do buy things here they are the cheapest of all the races LOL. Yep that is going to convince a family to drop 4+hundred dollars on tickets because they can park for free and bring their own drinks and snacks LOL.

[F91]

It'll be interesting to see if they sell out, attendance and ratings continue to slide.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by F91

It'll be interesting to see if they sell out, attendance and ratings continue to slide.

That is because people have finally realized the racing really ISN'T that good and the so called car of tomorrow is OLD technology they need to adapt a better strategy and series direction as the one they are using now just isn't working that well any longer.

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Originally Posted by F91

It'll be interesting to see if they sell out, attendance and ratings continue to slide.

Ratings were artificially boosted last year by the Olympics (i.e. races following immediately after).

[18 is # 1]

Originally Posted by DSNY FN

Then you can see who the real drivers are and who the circle jerks are in the series. I just don't think the Nascar boys could handle racing on tracks like this it would be to much pressure you know turning left and turning right LOL.

I'm with you. My guy is too young to realize that right turns are wrong, thus does very well on road courses. Don't forget it was the IRL boys screaming that Texas was too fast...

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by 5 is # 1

I'm with you. My guy is too young to realize that right turns are wrong, thus does very well on road courses. Don't forget it was the IRL boys screaming that Texas was too fast...

I am not a fan of the IRL and boy Georges racing series I prefer CART as they run primarily on roadcoarses and street courses. Look at Rahal he and his son are aspiring to make it to F1 so his son went to CART as they run roadcoarses and gives him a better shot at gaining the abilities he needs to make it to F1. Honestly IRL and CART should join up again and make 1 great series rather than the 2 mediocre series they currently are.

[enmoco]

Originally Posted by DSNY FN

I am not a fan of the IRL and boy Georges racing series I prefer CART as they run primarily on roadcoarses and street courses. Look at Rahal he and his son are aspiring to make it to F1 so his son went to CART as they run roadcoarses and gives him a better shot at gaining the abilities he needs to make it to F1. Honestly IRL and CART should join up again and make 1 great series rather than the 2 mediocre series they currently are.

I was at TMS when CART cancelled the race 1 hour before start because of vertigo being experienced by drivers from going "too fast". Not a pretty site,angry fans would be an understatement. I too would like to see these two become one.The IRL........

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by enmoco

I was at TMS when CART cancelled the race 1 hour before start because of vertigo being experienced by drivers from going "too fast". Not a pretty site,angry fans would be an understatement. I too would like to see these two become one.The IRL........

I agree the IRL is not a great series at all.

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I used to watch open wheel when they were one. I switched to NASCAR because the organization has more integrity and they make the racing as fan friendly as possible.

P.S. More drivers switch from open wheel to NASCAR than vice-versa...