NASCAR- Making this up as they go?

[rbinck]

It is just a difference of opinion. You didn't really give any reason on how the NASCAR races could be improved. Engine management is just not something that will improve a NASCAR race. They don't care about performance of the cars beyond allowing them to go 200mph or so. It is not like F1. It just isn't. There are no restrictor plate races in F1. Not sure how FI with engine management would work to get the equlivalent of restrictor plates. Don't like restrictor plates and think they are stupid? Don't take the time to watch, I guess, but that's NASCAR.

NASCAR is much more about other things than car peformance anyway and if you are not a NASCAR fan you just will never get it, imo.

Horse racing has just got to be technology nighmare for you.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by rbinck

It is just a difference of opinion. You didn't really give any reason on how the NASCAR races could be improved. Engine management is just not something that will improve a NASCAR race. They don't care about performance of the cars beyond allowing them to go 200mph or so. It is not like F1. It just isn't. There are no restrictor plate races in F1. Not sure how FI with engine management would work to get the equlivalent of restrictor plates. Don't like restrictor plates and think they are stupid? Don't take the time to watch, I guess, but that's NASCAR.

NASCAR is much more about other things than car peformance anyway and if you are not a NASCAR fan you just will never get it, imo.

Horse racing has just got to be technology nighmare for you.

Not a horse racing fan either LOL.

[F91]

I'm a Stewart fan too. I just think NASCAR has gotten away from it's paint rubbin', fist fightin', Balls out past to try and appeal to everyone and it ain't workin.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by F91

I'm a Stewart fan too. I just think NASCAR has gotten away from it's paint rubbin', fist fightin', Balls out past to try and appeal to everyone and it ain't workin.

You are correct a couple of my uncles were die hard NASCAR fans and with all they all hate the way the series is going they to wish they would incorporate some updated technology to the cars and make them actually use the body that is on the street car not what they currently use.

[paulc]

Originally Posted by rbinck

Horse racing has just got to be technology nighmare for you.

Ha, I was going to do a post about the ancient technology in horse racing and track & field competition.

[Lee Stewart]

From what I have read. the upgrade to Fuel Injection would allow more . .ahem . . ."creative tuning"

There is a famous story from years ago about Smokey Unik being called out for a rule infraction concerning his gas tank and the amount of gas it would hold. NASCAR removed the gas tank from the car . . .
and Smokey DROVE the car back to the garage sans gas tank, which was over a mile away!

A straight carb can be torn down very quickly and measured to see if a team has "exceeded the specs"

It's more about the drivers then it is about the cars and this is the manufacturers fault which dates back to 1969 when the Dodge Charger Daytona came onto the track.

Someone said, I think it was Buddy Baker, on the episode of American Musclecar titled "Winged Warriors" that those Daytona's and Superbirds were hitting 250 MPH on the straights of the super speedways.

It was Goodyear who told NASCAR . . "our tires are only good for 220 MPH . . .someone is going to kill himself with a blowout at 250 MPH!"

The open wheeled cars can get away with it due to the airflow all around the tire which at those speeds has a cooling effect but NASCAR has a fully enclosed tire and that heat really builds up.

I believe NASCAR has tried to level the playing field so much that all you have to do is watch the first 15 minutes of the race and the last 15 minutes.

Wonder if the will reserect the Trans Am series with Chrysler and Chevy bringing out new "pony cars". THAT series in my opinion was the most exciting ever to watch. Saw three races at "The Glen"

[DSNY FN]

I was just on TSN and they are saying Nascar is touting the CAR OF TOMORROW all I noticed in difference is the new front clip similar to what the Le Mans cars run and the new adjustable rear spoiler not much of a car of tomorrow from my standpoint LOL. It looks more like they are trying to copy the Touring car championships in Germany and Austrailia I love the Australian supercar series.

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/nascar..._racing-nascar

[Lee Stewart]

The "chin" spolier will allow less wind resistance (wind will go over the car as opposed to under the car which can lift the car at the speeds that travel at.

The rear spoiler adds the Vettical "fins" on the sides to add more stability at high speed. The greatest benefir of the "winged wonders" was not the height of the spoiler, but the "sail panels" on the sides that gave the greatest benefit. All the spoiler did was to add downforce . . .but if you can control DF, you are will cut through the wind better and handle better in the curves.

Most of the improvements are safety related and cannot be seen without a "cutaway" car.

The front spoiler may also cut down on "bump drafting" as from all the adjustments you can see, knock it out of whack a bit and you fall behind.

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by rbinck

It is just a difference of opinion. You didn't really give any reason on how the NASCAR races could be improved.

test #1

Engine management is just not something that will improve a NASCAR race. They don't care about performance of the cars beyond allowing them to go 200mph or so. It is not like F1. It just isn't.

test#2

There are no restrictor plate races in F1. Not sure how FI with engine management would work to get the equlivalent of restrictor plates. Don't like restrictor plates and think they are stupid? Don't take the time to watch, I guess, but that's NASCAR.

test #3

NASCAR is much more about other things than car peformance anyway and if you are not a NASCAR fan you just will never get it, imo.

test#4

Horse racing has just got to be technology nighmare for you.

test#5

[SMOKE]

Getting back to the "chin" spoiler. I've heard one (not that there aren't others) reason the drivers have a concern with the car of tomorrow IS whith the "chin" spoiler. They are concerned that it won't take much of a "bump" to take it out of commision. As it is now, on many tracks, they can almost tear the whole front end off the car's and still go back and race fairly well. Still not sure if that will be the same with the new car's.

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by SMOKE

Getting back to the "chin" spoiler. I've heard one (not that there aren't others) reason the drivers have a concern with the car of tomorrow IS whith the "chin" spoiler. They are concerned that it won't take much of a "bump" to take it out of commision. As it is now, on many tracks, they can almost tear the whole front end off the car's and still go back and race fairly well. Still not sure if that will be the same with the new car's.

I believe the chin spolier will end bump drafting. Too easy to knock it out of alignment. . . which is not a bad thing as bump drafting causes too many accidents.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by SMOKE

Getting back to the "chin" spoiler. I've heard one (not that there aren't others) reason the drivers have a concern with the car of tomorrow IS whith the "chin" spoiler. They are concerned that it won't take much of a "bump" to take it out of commision. As it is now, on many tracks, they can almost tear the whole front end off the car's and still go back and race fairly well. Still not sure if that will be the same with the new car's.

Well the ALMS cars do not suffer to much from this issue and they run them on some pretty suspect tracks like Sebring and Daytona. The LMP cars do but not the GT cars.

[Lee Stewart]

I was watching the Gaternationals this past weekend and was thinking just how powerful those Top Fuel motors really are. In comparison, An entire NASCAR small block V8 engine (800 HP) is less than one single cylinder of a TF 500 ci ,Blown and Injected, running on 85% Nitro, Engine.

[godson]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

I was watching the Gaternationals this past weekend and was thinking just how powerful those Top Fuel motors really are. In comparison, An entire NASCAR small block V8 engine (800 HP) is less than one single cylinder of a TF 500 ci ,Blown and Injected, running on 85% Nitro, Engine.

Ive seen some numbers that run some crazy notions behind a top fuelers engine
They said that it burns 1.98 gallons of fuel per minute...a 747 burns 2.1 or something along them lines. The magnetos used in them cars put out the same voltage a standard shop welder. Some crazy ish like that...I'll look for the link as to show the actual numbers. At the end they did this "scenario" where yur driving along at 200mph...youre heading towars the start line of a 1/4 mile track an at the instant you pass the tree the top fueler takes off.........he passes you before you hit the traps

[DSNY FN]

Did anyone see the Australian GP race over the weekend the cars are running a 19K RPM redline and are only 2.4 litres of displacement making close to 900 HP and no turbo.