NASCAR- Making this up as they go?

[SMOKE]

I have to chime in about NASCAR guys. Look at my avatar (Tony Stewart for those of you who can't tell) and you'll se a REAL race car driver. Not just NASCAR but every car he get's into. Championship winner in just about every form of raceing. (IRL, Sprint, Nascar etc...) Now THAT'S a RACE CAR driver.

[SMOKE]

Originally Posted by DSNY FN

Actually I hate Toyota and I hate NASCAR I am a Ferrari Fan in F1 and Corvette and Caddy and BMW in Le Mans series racing those are the only types of auto racing I even consider to be good racing. All roadcourses no ovals where all you do is turn left all day atleast in Cart the majority of the races are road/street courses unlike IRL and Nascar. I mean how good do you really have to be to turn left all afternoon honestly. No offense to the nascar fans but I just can't call it racing when you drive in circles making the same left tun and never have to trun right or throw in a hairpin or chicane etc.

Then obviously you don't know much about the cars setups and really racing in general.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by SMOKE

I have to chime in about NASCAR guys. Look at my avatar (Tony Stewart for those of you who can't tell) and you'll se a REAL race car driver. Not just NASCAR but every car he get's into. Championship winner in just about every form of raceing. (IRL, Sprint, Nascar etc...) Now THAT'S a RACE CAR driver.

Actually I cheer for TS when he runs the Le Mans races I still can't believe he left open wheel racing mind you he was running IRL another circle group.

[SMOKE]

More $$$ in NASCAR and he won in every other class he's ever raced in. More than likely another challenge for him. He'll drive anything if he gets a chance to.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by SMOKE

Then obviously you don't know much about the cars setups and really racing in general.

How can you take it seriously when they are using outdated technology (still running a carb) and have only just swithced to unleaded fuel. Come on lets see some real technical innovation try running some fuel injection maybe try running the actual body from the stret car they are supposed to represent. How about more than 2 roadcourse events a season to give it some credability.

[SMOKE]

Originally Posted by DSNY FN

How can you take it seriously when they are using outdated technology (still running a carb) and have only just swithced to unleaded fuel. Come on lets see some real technical innovation try running some fuel injection maybe try running the actual body from the stret car they are supposed to represent. How about more than 2 roadcourse events a season to give it some credability.

NASCAR is SUPPOSEDLY trying to keep the cost down for race teams. Fuel injection will never happen. I agree about the bodies of the cars. It got totally out of hand. NASCAR used to years ago, give them some room...but not anymore. Wait until the run the CAR OF TOMORROW! Which in my estimation is a joke. They'll look nothing like what they look like now. I don't like the idea...and not sure the drivers like the idea either but the way it looks...that's the way NASCAR is going. It's going to be like the IROC series soon. They should let the teams come up with inovations on there own...and believe me, if NASCAR would let them do things there own way....the teams would.

[DSNY FN]

I agree about the technical stuff FI will never happen and it is to bad because it should same with many other technical advancements with FI you can then get data management like many other series so you can adjust things as you go with the motor it will give you more control of things but NASCAR couldnt handle that

[rbinck]

I'm not sure what is better about fuel injection for NASCAR racing. The cars won't go any faster or be any quicker. NASCAR limits the speed to what they consider a safe range anyway. Seriously, how would FI help?

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by rbinck

I'm not sure what is better about fuel injection for NASCAR racing. The cars won't go any faster or be any quicker. NASCAR limits the speed to what they consider a safe range anyway. Seriously, how would FI help?

It will give the engineers more control over the engine and the ability to adjust it during a race with the engine management system. The electronics would be beneficial for qualifying and during a race.

[rbinck]

But how will that help them if all teams have it? Will they use less gas? Will they be safer? Will engines last longer? Will they go faster yet be safer? And how does that translate to the fan enjoyment? I still don't get it.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by rbinck

But how will that help them if all teams have it? Will they use less gas? Will they be safer? Will engines last longer? Will they go faster yet be safer? And how does that translate to the fan enjoyment? I still don't get it.

The engine management system can be tuned during the race just like in F1 for fuel mileage etc it gives teams and drives more control over the motor and how it is performing. You can then have your Crew Cheif relay messages to the driver like in F1 about how the engine is runnign for better performance etc it gives you more ability to tune during a race I mean it could be the smallest of margins for a better car.

[rbinck]

Sounds like someone who being an F1 fan just does not understand NASCAR and would like to have NASCAR morph into F1 with full bodies. I won't dwell on what makes NASCAR a popular form of racing any more than drag racing, but will say the rules, track makeup and advertising possibilities in the USA is what makes NASCAR what it is today. Enjoy F1 and let NASCAR fans have their races is what I would say.

[DSNY FN]

Originally Posted by rbinck

Sounds like someone who being an F1 fan just does not understand NASCAR and would like to have NASCAR morph into F1 with full bodies. I won't dwell on what makes NASCAR a popular form of racing any more than drag racing, but will say the rules, track makeup and advertising possibilities in the USA is what makes NASCAR what it is today. Enjoy F1 and let NASCAR fans have their races is what I would say.

No way Nascar could never be F1 and vice cersa I just find Nascar has gotten away from the fans and what they like and they need more technical innovation with the cars I mean every other form of racing including motorcycle racing has engine management and traction controll etc it is time they came into the future and use some technology.

[rbinck]

NASCAR does not agree.

[DSNY FN]

No suprise they like to live in the past using old technology.