Pacquiao vs Mayweather March 13

[Blckman]

Hello fight fans. I'm a huge boxing fan and I know many of you have been waiting for these two to get it going for a couple of years now. No more dodging or rematches with opponants they've whipped in the past. Well, there is some controversy behind this entire fight situation and want all of you glorious guys and gals in here for your opinions.

First, the location of the fight. MGM Grand in Las Vegas Nevada. The new Cowboys Stadium with the huge LED HDTV/Board and New Orleans. I myself, not because I reside on the West Coast, feel that the fight should be in Vegas. I agree with a radio sportshost yesterday after the disc jockey stated that it would suck to not have probably one of the best fights of this era in Vegas. Here are the pros for Vegas. Vegas has been the Pinnacle for big name fights with classic cards for the past two to five years. Lastly, it wouldn't be about putting fans in the seats. That's going to happen. It what Vegas brings period. Vegas is suffering financially. That being said, it would bring a great deal of revenue to Las Vegas period.

What about Dallas? Well, if Jerry Jones gets the fight, then he would fill up that high capacity facility. However, visitors would not want to just fly into Dallas and just get back on the plane to go home. That's where Vegas has the edge. Vegas is the entertainment capital of America and people would patronize the local hotels and casinos. It would be massive.

What about New Orleans? Well, New Orleans is still recovering. Mind you, doing a pretty decent job with rebuilding the surround communities effected by Hurrican Katrina. However, other than Bourbon Street and the French Quarter, there's really nothing more for entertainment value. No, they have a Casino or two in Harrah's. This is where Vegas comes in again. There is so much to do in Vegas other than watching the fight. People wouldn't have to rush home so fast. In summary, Vegas brings the more overall attraction because of it's 100+ Casinos and Hotels. And the much anticipated City Center will be finally up and operating in time for the main event.

On to more important aspects about the fight. Who do you all think will win? Will it be a draw and we'll have a number two fight? Will it be a unanimous decision? Who knows. I personally like Mayweather's chances in twelve. I don't know though. That brother from the Phillipines is awesome and is just as fast a puncher as Mayweather. That's all gang. Much love to all of you. It's on baby. Let's get the dialogue rolling about this spectacular matchup. Please, keep the feedback going. We can all look forward to one special night early next year. Peace....

[Chris Gerhard]

If Mayweather takes this fight seriously and gets in absolute great condition, I think he wins, he is just too skilled and too smart. It should be a great fight with two great fighters. I am not certain that Mayweather is in great fighting shape so I might change my pick right before the fight if I see he isn't ready. I think he realizes how important this fight is for his legacy and he should be ready. Pacquiao will be ready and he will fight hard, that much I feel certain of.

Chris

[Stew4HD]

I have made the mistake of thinking Manny wasn't skilled enough to beat Hatton and Cotto. IMO, the only way Mayweather wins is out-pointing Manny. If anyone can find and expose Mayweather's weaknesses, it's Freddy Roach.

I wanty Manny to knock Money out but that is a tall order. It should be a great fight.. possibly right up there with many of the biggest fights of all time. It is certainly going to make 2 fighters very rich!

As for where they fight.. I have no opinion there... let's just get the show on the road!

[pappylap]

I too have underestimated Manny I thought Hatton and even Golden boy would give him a good fight and I thought Cotto would simply be too strong for him, but this man continues to amaze....The ace in the mix is Roach as you said. I believe he is without question the best trainer in the business and Manny will not go off on a glory tangent and will do what Roach tells him to

Manny by TKO in 11 in Vegas...
If Manny wins he should then retire as "The greatest pound for pound fighter of all time"

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by pappylap

I too have underestimated Manny I thought Hatton and even Golden boy would give him a good fight and I thought Cotto would simply be too strong for him, but this man continues to amaze....The ace in the mix is Roach as you said. I believe he is without question the best trainer in the business and Manny will not go off on a glory tangent and will do what Roach tells him to

Manny by TKO in 11 in Vegas...
If Manny wins he should then retire as "The greatest pound for pound fighter of all time"

Manny has lost 3 fights and drawn 2, there isn't much of a chance for him to be widely considered as the all-time best. Mayweather on the other hand with a perfect record, if he wins, he can retire and will be widely considered as the all-time best.

Chris

[pappylap]

7 world championships in 7 different weight divisions....he gets my vote!
two very close losses to Juan manuel marquez and Eric morales both world champions ..not sure who else beat him but since he has been in Roaches' corner he is a much better fighter as Roach said he now fights with both hands

Who has Mayweather actually beaten? Hatton it took 10 rounds Manny knocked him out in 2,
Marquez but 4 years after Manny fought him...
Manny has destroyed Oscar, Hatton and Cotto in his last three fights........destroyed

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by pappylap

7 world championships in 7 different weight divisions....he gets my vote!
two very close losses to Juan manuel marquez and Eric morales both world champions ..not sure who else beat him but since he has been in Roaches' corner he is a much better fighter as Roach said he now fights with both hands

Who has Mayweather actually beaten? Hatton it took 10 rounds Manny knocked him out in 2,
Marquez but 4 years after Manny fought him...
Manny has destroyed Oscar, Hatton and Cotto in his last three fights........destroyed

Mayweather has actually beaten every fighter he has fought including one that drew with Pacquiao. I understand your argument in favor of Pacquiao but the commonly regarded all-time best fighter probably hasn't failed to win about 10% of his fights. If Mayweather wins, I would say he is going to be held in the highest regard and no argument against him can be very compelling.

Chris

[pappylap]

I would personally place several fighters ahead of Mayweather for best fighter of all time based on the level of compitition they have faced...

Roberto Duran in his prime of course
Sugar Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Im sure we all have our favorites....Rocky anyone?

[Cygnus]

$ mayweather all the way! Fite should occur in chicago in the united center

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by pappylap

I would personally place several fighters ahead of Mayweather for best fighter of all time based on the level of compitition they have faced...

Roberto Duran in his prime of course
Sugar Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Im sure we all have our favorites....Rocky anyone?

I don't know who I would pick but I am puzzled by your logic that if Pacquaio beats Mayweather, you pick Pacquaio but if Mayweather, a fighter with a perfect record, beats Pacquaio you wouldn't pick Mayweather. If Mayweather wins this fight, I sure won't have any argument with anybody that believes Mayweather is the best fighter of all-time. It is very subjective of course but perfection is hard to argue against.

Chris

[BiggNewt]

Pac-Man takes this (hopefully)...

and Mayweather doesn't belong anywhere near the best fighter of all time talk.

[pappylap]

My reasosning is simple Manny has won 7 world championships.. I believe he has fought a higher level of competition than Mayweather..see below

since 2001 when Manny first fought for a title

02-24 -- Tetsutora Senrima, Manila, Philippines, TKO 5
04-28 -- Wethya Sakmuangklang, Kidapawan City, Philippines, TKO 6
06-23 -- Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 6
(Won IBF Super Bantamweight Title)
11-10 -- Agapito Sánchez, San Francisco, CA, Tech Draw 6
(For WBO Super Bantamweight Title)
(Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title)


2002
06-08 -- Jorge Eliecer Julio, Memphis, TN, TKO 2
(Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title)
10-26 -- Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym, Davao City, Philippines, KO 1
(Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title)


2003
03-15 -- Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov, Manila, Philippines, TKO 5
07-26 -- Emmanuel Lucero, Los Angeles, CA, TKO 3
(Retained IBF Super Bantamweight Title)
11-15 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, San Antonio, TX, TKO 11


2004
05-08 -- Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, D 12
(For WBC Featherweight Title)
(For IBF Featherweight Title)
12-11 -- Fahsan (3K Battery) Por Thawatchai, Rizal, Philippines, TKO 4


2005
03-19 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, L 12 *RECAP*
09-10 -- Hector Velazquez, Los Angeles, CA, TKO 6


2006
01-21 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 10 *RECAP*
07-02 -- Oscar Larios, Manila, Philippines, W 12
11-18 -- Erik Morales, Las Vegas, NV, KO 3 *RECAP*


2007
04-14 -- Jorge Solis, San Antonio, TX, KO 8 *RECAP*
10-06 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*


2008
03-15 -- Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Super Featherweight Title)
06-28 -- David Diaz, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 9 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Lightweight Title)
12-06 -- Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 8 *RECAP*


2009
05-02 -- Ricky Hatton, Las Vegas, NV, KO 2 *RECAP*
11-14 -- Miguel Cotto, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 12 *RECAP*


Mayweathers competition
since 1998 when he first captured a title

2009
Sept. 19 -- Juan Manuel Marquez, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *ROUND-BY-ROUND RECAP*


2008
*INACTIVE


2007
Dec. 8 -- Ricky Hatton, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 10 *RECAP*
(Retained WBC Welterweight Title)
May 5 -- Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Jr. Middleweight Title)


2006
Nov. 4 -- Carlos Baldomir, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Welterweight Title)
Apr. 8 -- Zab Judah, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 *RECAP*
(Won IBF Welterweight Title)


2005
Nov. 19 -- Sharmba Mitchell, Portland, OR, TKO 6 *RECAP*
June 25 -- Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 6 *RECAP*
(Won WBC Light Welterweight Title)
Jan. 22 -- Henry Bruseles, Miami, FL, TKO 8 *RECAP*


2004
May 22 -- DeMarcus Corley, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12 *RECAP*


2003
Nov. 1 -- Phillip N'Dou, Grand Rapids, Michigan, TKO 7 *RECAP*
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
Apr. 19 -- Victoriano Sosa, Fresno, CA, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)


2002
Dec. 7 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC lightweight title)
Apr. 20 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBC lightweight title)


2001
Nov. 10 -- Jesus Chavez, San Francisco, California, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 26 -- Carlos Hernandez, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Jan. 20 -- Diego Corrales, Las Vegas, TKO 10
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)


2000
Oct. 21 -- Emanuel Burton, Detroit, Michigan, TKO 9
Mar. 18 -- Goyo Vargas, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)


1999
Sept. 11 -- Carlos Gerena, Las Vegas, TKO 7
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
May 22 -- Justin Juuko, Las Vegas, KO 9
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Feb. 17 -- Carlos Rios, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12 *RECAP*
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)


1998
Dec. 19 -- Angel Manfredy, Miami, TKO 2
(Retained WBC super featherweight title)
Oct. 3 -- Genaro Hernandez, Las Vegas, TKO 8
(Captured WBC super featherweight title)
June 14 -- Tony Pep, Atlantic City, W 10
Apr. 18 -- Gustavo Cuello, Los Angeles, W 10
Mar. 23 -- Miguel Melo, Ledyard, Connecticut, TKO 3
Feb. 28 -- Sam Girad, Atlantic City, KO 2
Jan. 9 -- Hector Arroyo, Biloxi, Mississippi, TKO 5

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by pappylap

My reasosning is simple Manny has won 7 world championships.. I believe he has fought a higher level of competition than Mayweather..see below

There is no question that Pacquiao is a good fighter and has had a great run. I just find it odd that if Mayweather beats this fighter you think is so great that you won't consider Mayweather even better. If Mayweather wins, I guess you just decide that Pacquiao wasn't as good as you thought? Pretty funny. Mayweather's competition has been tough and beating another great fighter will be compelling in my opinion. I understand that Mayweather hasn't gone as far up in weight as Pacquaio and therefore couldn't have won as many championships as Pacquiao but I have no idea why that means anything if we are talking about best fighter. Mayweather has won every championship bout and every professional fight he has fought, not a single exception and continuing that for another fight sure sounds impressive to me. Mayweather hasn't been motivated to fight much the last couple of years so comparing that to Pacquaio sure gives reason to believe Pacquaio can win the fight and he might win the fight. I just offered a hypothetical situation and your logic to come to the conclusion you have is what I questioned.

edit:

I just checked to see how many championships Mayweather has won and he is closer to Pacquiao than I had thought. From Wikipedia:

From July 18, 2005 through June 2, 2008 he was rated by The Ring magazine as the number-one pound for pound boxer in the world.[1] Mayweather has won six world boxing championships in five different weight classes; he is the former WBC welterweight champion, a title he vacated upon his retirement. He was named Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year in 1998 and 2007. He is currently ranked number 2 pound for pound fighter.[2]

Chris

[oblioman]

How come they be fighting? Is is over a chick or did somebody get dissed?

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by oblioman

How come they be fighting? Is is over a chick or did somebody get dissed?

I think it is because Tiger Wood's endorsements are going to end after his admission of a private family moral failing and companies will need another big name athlete to piss money away on. I am thinking the winner here is going to be that man.

Chris