Denon AVR1610 or Pioneer VSX919AH?

gusbuf · 06-17-2009, 11:41 AM

Have done lots of research and have weeded my choices for AV receiver down to either the Pioneer VSX919AH or the Denon AVR1610. Only need 5.1 surround. Only need HDMI pass through, as I have no analog sources going in. This is for a small HT with 46" LCD, and Tannoy HTS100 speaker system. Not much online about either of these receivers. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

Loves2Watch · 06-17-2009, 12:13 PM

The Denon would be a better choice for many reasons, 1 being quality.

Stew4HD · 06-17-2009, 12:22 PM

The 1610 does more than pass throuigh, it decoded HD audio via HDMI and is priced very well.

link for the 1610 @ crutchfield

I can't find much info on the Pioneer you mentioned other than a little on Amazon.com.

The Denon looks like a great buy

gusbuf · 06-17-2009, 12:45 PM

When I said "pass through" I meant HDMI switching, not pass through of signal while the receiver is off. Just wanted to clarify.

Stew4HD · 06-17-2009, 01:19 PM

I don't know of any of the receivers that allow pass through with the receiver off.

gusbuf · 06-17-2009, 01:47 PM

I do not need that feature, but there are receivers that offer that. I believe a few of the Denons will do this. This is for people who want to watch TV without turning on the whole surround sound system. The source can pass the signal through the turned off receiver directly to the TV. Saves having to use two different outputs from one source, where one would go directly to the TV and the other to the AV receiver, when you want to watch TV or DVD without turning on the surround sound.

Loves2Watch · 06-17-2009, 02:04 PM

The Pioneer isn't in the same class of receivers as the Denon, to get that you would need to step up to their Elite line of receivers. The Denon is clearly the superior choice as would be a Yamaha, HK, Onkyo, and several others.

Stew4HD · 06-17-2009, 02:05 PM

I am not sure what you mean if not what I previously mentioned.

I have a Denon 4806 and it does not allow the signal to pass to the display when turned off.

iserum · 06-18-2009, 08:16 PM

Denon, for quality.

**kamspy** · 06-23-2009, 09:15 PM

Did anyone in this thread even look at the Pioneer

OP, both receivers are very good, but it seems the Pioneer is going to cost less. I would go with it.

The amount of baseless Pioneer bashing in this thread is wildly disturbing.

Loves2Watch · 06-23-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

Did anyone in this thread even look at the Pioneer

OP, both receivers are very good, but it seems the Pioneer is going to cost less. I would go with it.

The amount of baseless Pioneer bashing in this thread is wildly disturbing.

I don't see where anyone was bashing Pioneer just saying that the Elite models are what is needed to compare with the Denon.

**kamspy** · 06-23-2009, 09:19 PM

New members might as well ask what everyone else owns when getting suggestions because that's how people here tend to answer.

Using Google before posting advice only benefits the person asking. Not doing so, well, you might as well not even answer. Or at least preface your answer by saying it's guess work.

Stew4HD · 06-24-2009, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamspy

New members might as well ask what everyone else owns when getting suggestions because that's how people here tend to answer.

Using Google before posting advice only benefits the person asking. Not doing so, well, you might as well not even answer. Or at least preface your answer by saying it's guess work.

Excuse me? You are assuming a lot here. You are saying that you would buy the Pioneer over the Denon when cost was no issue? Did you even read the thread to see the question behind the question ("HDMI pass-through with the unit off") before you decided to start slamming the advice given here?

I happened to look at both and compared, side by side. The specs. on the Denon are better than the Pioneer from what I saw.

You can climb down off of your high horse now

**kamspy** · 06-24-2009, 02:52 PM

If cost was no issue, these two receivers wouldn't be being compared. They're both skewed for bang for the buck budget.

But when I googled the two I got this:

Pioneer
http://www.hd.ca/pioneerreceivers/vsx919ahk.php

Denon
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV16...ures_and_specs

It's not even a question

That's why I question some the research that went on.

Stew4HD · 06-24-2009, 07:22 PM

Dude, why don't you just take over the recommending then, since you feel we are doing such a bad job. I mean , WTF??? I told you I already looked and COMPARED the 2... sheesh.

It's all yours, Mr. Expert... ta ta

06-17-2009, 11:41 AM	#1
gusbuf It is what it is Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6	Denon AVR1610 or Pioneer VSX919AH? Have done lots of research and have weeded my choices for AV receiver down to either the Pioneer VSX919AH or the Denon AVR1610. Only need 5.1 surround. Only need HDMI pass through, as I have no analog sources going in. This is for a small HT with 46" LCD, and Tannoy HTS100 speaker system. Not much online about either of these receivers. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks!! __________________ Sony KDS60A2000 Toshiba 46XV545U Olevia 532V Vizio VA22LF DirecTV HR20-700 x 2 DirecTV HR23-700 DirecTV H20-600 AT9 5LNB Dish Terrestrial Digital DB-4 Antenna Logitech Harmony 720 Remote Control Rotel RSP-1068 Pre/Pro Rotel RB985mkII Amp Rotel RLC900 Line Conditioner Oppo Digital 971H DVD Player Philips DVP-642 DVD Player Toshiba SDK990 DVD Player Harman Kardon FL8450 CD Player B&W FPM5 (L,C,R) B&W FPM4 (Surround L/R) B&W PV-1 Subwoofer Tannoy HTS100 HT package

06-17-2009, 12:13 PM	#2
Loves2Watch Ohmmmmmm Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 16,537	The Denon would be a better choice for many reasons, 1 being quality. __________________ Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's or Blu-ray players. Main HT Room - Panasonic PT-AE4000U, Draper Premier 119" 16:9 Projector Screen, Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player.

06-17-2009, 12:22 PM	#3
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tejas Baby Posts: 9,184	The 1610 does more than pass throuigh, it decoded HD audio via HDMI and is priced very well. link for the 1610 @ crutchfield I can't find much info on the Pioneer you mentioned other than a little on Amazon.com. The Denon looks like a great buy __________________ ___________________________________

06-17-2009, 12:45 PM	#4
gusbuf It is what it is Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6	When I said "pass through" I meant HDMI switching, not pass through of signal while the receiver is off. Just wanted to clarify. __________________ Sony KDS60A2000 Toshiba 46XV545U Olevia 532V Vizio VA22LF DirecTV HR20-700 x 2 DirecTV HR23-700 DirecTV H20-600 AT9 5LNB Dish Terrestrial Digital DB-4 Antenna Logitech Harmony 720 Remote Control Rotel RSP-1068 Pre/Pro Rotel RB985mkII Amp Rotel RLC900 Line Conditioner Oppo Digital 971H DVD Player Philips DVP-642 DVD Player Toshiba SDK990 DVD Player Harman Kardon FL8450 CD Player B&W FPM5 (L,C,R) B&W FPM4 (Surround L/R) B&W PV-1 Subwoofer Tannoy HTS100 HT package

06-17-2009, 01:19 PM	#5
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tejas Baby Posts: 9,184	I don't know of any of the receivers that allow pass through with the receiver off. __________________ ___________________________________

06-17-2009, 01:47 PM	#6
gusbuf It is what it is Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6	I do not need that feature, but there are receivers that offer that. I believe a few of the Denons will do this. This is for people who want to watch TV without turning on the whole surround sound system. The source can pass the signal through the turned off receiver directly to the TV. Saves having to use two different outputs from one source, where one would go directly to the TV and the other to the AV receiver, when you want to watch TV or DVD without turning on the surround sound. __________________ Sony KDS60A2000 Toshiba 46XV545U Olevia 532V Vizio VA22LF DirecTV HR20-700 x 2 DirecTV HR23-700 DirecTV H20-600 AT9 5LNB Dish Terrestrial Digital DB-4 Antenna Logitech Harmony 720 Remote Control Rotel RSP-1068 Pre/Pro Rotel RB985mkII Amp Rotel RLC900 Line Conditioner Oppo Digital 971H DVD Player Philips DVP-642 DVD Player Toshiba SDK990 DVD Player Harman Kardon FL8450 CD Player B&W FPM5 (L,C,R) B&W FPM4 (Surround L/R) B&W PV-1 Subwoofer Tannoy HTS100 HT package

06-17-2009, 02:04 PM	#7
Loves2Watch Ohmmmmmm Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ, NM, TX, MX Posts: 16,537	The Pioneer isn't in the same class of receivers as the Denon, to get that you would need to step up to their Elite line of receivers. The Denon is clearly the superior choice as would be a Yamaha, HK, Onkyo, and several others. __________________ Friends don't let friends buy Korean brand TV's or Blu-ray players. Main HT Room - Panasonic PT-AE4000U, Draper Premier 119" 16:9 Projector Screen, Panasonic TH-85PF12U Plasma TV, 6 Conrad Johnson LP275M Amps, Anthem Statement D-2 Pre/Pro, 6 Thiel SCS4 Speakers, 2 REL T-1 Subs, Infinity Interlude 120S Sub, Simaudio MOON Orbiter Universal Disc Player, ELP Laser Turntable, 2 Dish Network ViP 622 DVR's, Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player, Onkyo DV-HD805 HD DVD Player.

06-17-2009, 02:05 PM	#8
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tejas Baby Posts: 9,184	I am not sure what you mean if not what I previously mentioned. I have a Denon 4806 and it does not allow the signal to pass to the display when turned off. __________________ ___________________________________

06-18-2009, 08:16 PM	#9
iserum High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,957	Denon, for quality. __________________ Panasonic 50PX80U/Pioneer BDP-51FD /Toshiba HD A1/Tivo HD SAMSUNG LNT-4661F/ Pioneer BDP-51FD/Dell XPS, Nvidia 9500 GT SONY BRAVIA 40V2500/40 GB PS3, WII, Intel Core 2 Duo with Nvidia 6800 Yamaha RXV1700 Def. Tech. Mythos III, V & Gems, Super Cube III Harmony Remote One Power Conditioner: Belkin PF40

06-23-2009, 09:15 PM	#10
kamspy ʎdsɯɐʞ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CLASSIFIED Assassin Mod Posts: 14,553	Did anyone in this thread even look at the Pioneer OP, both receivers are very good, but it seems the Pioneer is going to cost less. I would go with it. The amount of baseless Pioneer bashing in this thread is wildly disturbing. __________________ No seriously, we really don't need 9 snipers standing in line to use the UAV computer.

06-23-2009, 09:19 PM	#12
kamspy ʎdsɯɐʞ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CLASSIFIED Assassin Mod Posts: 14,553	New members might as well ask what everyone else owns when getting suggestions because that's how people here tend to answer. Using Google before posting advice only benefits the person asking. Not doing so, well, you might as well not even answer. Or at least preface your answer by saying it's guess work. __________________ No seriously, we really don't need 9 snipers standing in line to use the UAV computer.

06-24-2009, 02:52 PM	#14
kamspy ʎdsɯɐʞ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CLASSIFIED Assassin Mod Posts: 14,553	If cost was no issue, these two receivers wouldn't be being compared. They're both skewed for bang for the buck budget. But when I googled the two I got this: Pioneer http://www.hd.ca/pioneerreceivers/vsx919ahk.php Denon http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV16...ures_and_specs It's not even a question That's why I question some the research that went on. __________________ No seriously, we really don't need 9 snipers standing in line to use the UAV computer.

06-24-2009, 07:22 PM	#15
Stew4HD High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tejas Baby Posts: 9,184	Dude, why don't you just take over the recommending then, since you feel we are doing such a bad job. I mean , WTF??? I told you I already looked and COMPARED the 2... sheesh. It's all yours, Mr. Expert... ta ta __________________ ___________________________________

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