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Old 11-05-2007, 05:36 PM   #1
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Several years ago I purchased the Bose Acoustimass Series II 5.1 speakers. I have been very happy with them ever since. Haven't had any problems and I also haven't been the nicest to them in the 8 years or so.
Recently I have come to learn that just like Monster Cables, Bose grossly overcharges for their speaker systems, claiming they are more expensive because they are researched better.
I have two questions:

1) Is Bose as seriously over priced as the rumors I have heard? Does their quality match up?

2) The newest Bose Acoustimass (http://www.bose.com/controller?event...surround_index) system is the 16 Series II at $1,299. What would be a comparable speaker system for a price that isn't jacked up by marketing?

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Old 11-05-2007, 07:01 PM   #2
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Bose is not only overpriced but it is crap at best, a $250 infinity TS-350 system will outperform $3000 lifestyle system. Bose do not write their spec. they use to do that longtime ago, if you look at them you will laugh. 200 hz crossover for satellite speakers, it means all the midrange sound is produce by bass module and low end does not exist, because bass module is consist of tiny midrange speakers.

Bose biggest advantage is WIFE acceptance factor. if speakers goes with decor price is no problem for most. Bose is marketed for people who don't know about sound that much but tend to believe they are paying extra money for better researched product and it is good.
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To give you an idea, the Bose system I had, I purchased from Bose for $390. It retailed for $999. This is due to the fact that I work at Best Buy and through an employee accommodation, however, it just shows you how much overpriced it is.

Did it sound good? In my small room, it was fine.
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Not all Bose products are "crap"-- but for sure they're ALL over priced.
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The biggest flaw with Bose is not price, you can almost always find them way cheaper than retail. The biggest flaw is their inaccuracy. Bose artificially modifies the frequency output of their products, in an attempt to make their products sound more full, and more pleasing to the ear. There is a famous phrase to sum that idea up, "No highs, No lows, Must be Bose." A ghetto speaker you bought from Walmart will be more true to the original sound than the 'flagship' Bose speakers. I personally own nothing but Bose, and I love em, but I also am well aware of the truth behind them. Bose: Better sound through Marketing.
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I own some Bose speakers and have since the mid 1070's and think they are just fine but not the best speakers for the money.

If you can get them really cheap then they're okay but for the price you mentioned I would look at the KEF 3005 home theater system, beautiful design and around the same size as the Bose system with much better sound, quality of construction and subwoofer.

Look at www.cnetreviews.com for their review on this system, very highly rated (perhaps the best) and I know of some online dealers including a couple on eBay that are authorized dealers for KEF and you could get the system for between $1000 to $1300.

I know this is only my opinion, but the reviews of this system are great from every review source I've read, they are the ones I will buy someday and if you look at my signature, I own some very high end speakers that I use on my home theater set-up right now.

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I own some Bose speakers and have since the mid 1070's and think they are just fine but not the best speakers for the money.

If you can get them really cheap then they're okay but for the price you mentioned I would look at the KEF 3005 home theater system, beautiful design and around the same size as the Bose system with much better sound, quality of construction and subwoofer.

Look at www.cnetreviews.com for their review on this system, very highly rated (perhaps the best) and I know of some online dealers including a couple on eBay that are authorized dealers for KEF and you could get the system for between $1000 to $1300.

I know this is only my opinion, but the reviews of this system are great from every review source I've read, they are the ones I will buy someday and if you look at my signature, I own some very high end speakers that I use on my home theater set-up right now.

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Thanks for the information! I have always been happy with my Bose (except for the passive sub they were using back then, but I have since purchased a much better sub) and when I bought them way back when, I feel victim to the CC lies. I will upgrade my speakers soon enough and have never been sure where the best audio quality for the price actually lies with speakers. I frequently use cnet and follow their advice quite a bit.
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Bose is an "o.k." speaker system, mainly due to clean looking. Their main draw back is that once you purchase them...they are only good w/ their own products. Let me explain...the 901's have a preamp, w/out it...it is worthless and in a surround system, it is pretty difficult to make them sound proper. They sound best in a two channel setup. The acoustamass series, are nice because they are small but you have to use their speaker wire and if you need longer or if you move...well...your screwed! The Lifestyle systems are also nice but outdate themselves once purchased.
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In the industry, "BOSE" is considered an acronym for "Buy Other Sound Equipment". So in that spirit, I have made it quite simple to shop for an outstanding home theater system using the same $1300 that Bose charges. Again, my opinion on the quote on quote "best speakers" cannot be relied on, nor can anyone else's. Since sound is a subjective quality, no one can answer that question but you. If in fact you are blessed with the inability to decifer Bose speakers from other premium brand speakers, then all the more power to you! I am not trying to promote or upsell you something fancier, nor am I here to play favorites. I'm merely suggesting superior alternatives to the Bose Acoustimass for the same price or less.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
This six-speaker unit costs $1299.99 USD MSRP. From dissecting it, I can tell you it costs $100, no more than $150 tops, to assemble. It performs similarly to a $500 Optimus-Radio Shack surround sound system and is very easily outperformed by a $350 Cambridge Soundworks system. For $1300, there are at least three dozen other configurations from companies such as KEF, PSB, NHT, Mission, Tannoy, Diva, Polk, B&W, Energy, Paradigm, M&K, Infinity, Mirage, Monitor, Jamo, Axiom, nOrh, Anthony Gallo, Dahlquist, Sound Dynamics, Acoustic Research, Phase Technology, Definitive Technology, Wharfdale, Boston Acoustics, and Klipsch that easily outperform all Bose speakers from the 151s to the 901. Bose equipment, even the flagship LifeStyle 50, resembles the sonic performance of the 11-year-old Aiwa minisystem in my garage. For $500, the Wave Radio is an overpriced alarm clock. If you're impressed by it, have a listen to a Henry Kloss radio for a fraction of the price! For $1000, the Bose 3-2-1 can not be described as anything less than a crime against sound reproduction. The message I want everyone to take from this lengthy review is that Bose, like Bang & Olufsen and Nakamichi, sell lifestyle and designer products whose prices are very heavily saturated by image and appeal. They are by no means, no means at all performance products. They have no cost-effectiveness, no bang-for-the-buck value, and draw no respect from any true audio enthusiests. If your goal is to appeal to and impress housewives, then this system gets the job done, but if your goal is high fidelity, high performance, high endurance, upgradeability, and fair market value pricing then I would very highly suggest you look elsewhere. I am by no means an elitist audiophile who touts golden ears about in gross snobbery. I am an audiophile in its purest and most basic form: one who is enthusiastic about high fidelity sound reproduction, which I think we all are to some degree. I've worked in hifi audio/video retail sales before (for two companies that offered Bose), worked on the manufaturing end, and have designed and personally installed home theaters for hundreds of clients of very diverse needs. I have no affiliation or financial ties to any competing speaker companies so I speak out of objectivity and out of a big-brotherly desire to inform those that don't already share my knowledge and experiences. Armed with this knowledge, you are now a more powerful consumer. So on that note, good luck and happy hunting!
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In the industry, "BOSE" is considered an acronym for "Buy Other Sound Equipment". So in that spirit, I have made it quite simple to shop for an outstanding home theater system using the same $1300 that Bose charges. Again, my opinion on the quote on quote "best speakers" cannot be relied on, nor can anyone else's. Since sound is a subjective quality, no one can answer that question but you. If in fact you are blessed with the inability to decifer Bose speakers from other premium brand speakers, then all the more power to you! I am not trying to promote or upsell you something fancier, nor am I here to play favorites. I'm merely suggesting superior alternatives to the Bose Acoustimass for the same price or less.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
This six-speaker unit costs $1299.99 USD MSRP. From dissecting it, I can tell you it costs $100, no more than $150 tops, to assemble. It performs similarly to a $500 Optimus-Radio Shack surround sound system and is very easily outperformed by a $350 Cambridge Soundworks system. For $1300, there are at least three dozen other configurations from companies such as KEF, PSB, NHT, Mission, Tannoy, Diva, Polk, B&W, Energy, Paradigm, M&K, Infinity, Mirage, Monitor, Jamo, Axiom, nOrh, Anthony Gallo, Dahlquist, Sound Dynamics, Acoustic Research, Phase Technology, Definitive Technology, Wharfdale, Boston Acoustics, and Klipsch that easily outperform all Bose speakers from the 151s to the 901. Bose equipment, even the flagship LifeStyle 50, resembles the sonic performance of the 11-year-old Aiwa minisystem in my garage. For $500, the Wave Radio is an overpriced alarm clock. If you're impressed by it, have a listen to a Henry Kloss radio for a fraction of the price! For $1000, the Bose 3-2-1 can not be described as anything less than a crime against sound reproduction. The message I want everyone to take from this lengthy review is that Bose, like Bang & Olufsen and Nakamichi, sell lifestyle and designer products whose prices are very heavily saturated by image and appeal. They are by no means, no means at all performance products. They have no cost-effectiveness, no bang-for-the-buck value, and draw no respect from any true audio enthusiests. If your goal is to appeal to and impress housewives, then this system gets the job done, but if your goal is high fidelity, high performance, high endurance, upgradeability, and fair market value pricing then I would very highly suggest you look elsewhere. I am by no means an elitist audiophile who touts golden ears about in gross snobbery. I am an audiophile in its purest and most basic form: one who is enthusiastic about high fidelity sound reproduction, which I think we all are to some degree. I've worked in hifi audio/video retail sales before (for two companies that offered Bose), worked on the manufaturing end, and have designed and personally installed home theaters for hundreds of clients of very diverse needs. I have no affiliation or financial ties to any competing speaker companies so I speak out of objectivity and out of a big-brotherly desire to inform those that don't already share my knowledge and experiences. Armed with this knowledge, you are now a more powerful consumer. So on that note, good luck and happy hunting!

You are a tad extreme. Did you seriously compare a High End Bose system to and Aiwa mini system in your garage???

Come on, just because you don't like Bose, there is no need to bash the living hell out of them.

I love Bose. I always have, they have been the pinnacle ever since I was a child. I am not saying they are the best or that they are worth the money. What I am saying is I have always been extremely impressed and on the verge of blown away. I think Bose is awesome. We have a little cd Bose wave radio. The amount of sound that comes out of this little thing is incredible. If I had the cash, I would get a Bose surround sound for sure.

I would bring this home today if I had the cash:
http://www.bose.com/controller?event...sv30/index.jsp
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You are a tad extreme. Did you seriously compare a High End Bose system to and Aiwa mini system in your garage???
As a matter of fact, yes I did. Everything in my post is true and factual. If you read my post it stated that I am not biased in the matter, rather presenting the facts. Hey, if you like them then who am I to tell you where to spend your money. After doing this research though I have chosen to buy other products where the value/quality equation is more in my favor. Also check out this link http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
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I have a friend with the complete Bose setup and movies sound fine on his system. Where my Paradigm speakers shine is when we play music CDs - the Paragdigm's are far superior for music, IMO.

We are both classical music fans and have tested the same music CD at his house, then at mine. You also have to factor in the shape of the room, etc. into the equation, so the difference may not be just the speakers. I just changed houses and my great room went from longer than wide (with a 30' ceiling opening to a landing above) to an almost square room with a 14' ceiling.

The subwoofer is more interesting at my new house, which is on a sloping lot. The great room is 8 - 10' off the ground as opposed to about 3' off the ground at the old house, which was on a level lot. You "feel" the subwoofer better at my new house.

Getting back to my opening remarks, I had a $400 set of Sony speakers that I used for years. For movies, they sound almost as good as the Bose. For music, however, they are somewhat below the Bose and way below the Paradigms.
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As a matter of fact, yes I did. Everything in my post is true and factual. If you read my post it stated that I am not biased in the matter, rather presenting the facts. Hey, if you like them then who am I to tell you where to spend your money. After doing this research though I have chosen to buy other products where the value/quality equation is more in my favor. Also check out this link http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Stating your not biased does not make you not biased. If you seriously think an Aiwa shelf system from the early 90's sounds better than a high end Bose system, then.....

You are either biased

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You need to get a hearing aid.
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Read my signature! Bose sells premium products at a premium price. Their proprietary technology isn't the best, however they are still good. Look into the KEF KHT 3005.2 if your in the range of 1299.99-1499.99 The kef speakers are on display at circuit city and they will out perform your choice of bose speakers. Do your research and you will see/hear it for yourself.
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Thanks for all the excellent advice!

Here's the thing, I feel afraid to say it, but I love my Bose. I think they have performed quite well for me BUT I can't stand getting ripped off. My Bose are getting a little old now so I want to replace them in the next 6 months or so and I want to get the best quality I can without getting ripped off like it seems Bose does. As I get more money I will definitely do much more research and check back in with you guys.

Here's another question. Bose uses the cube satellite speakers. Can you get the kind of quality sound out of cube satellites as you can out of floor standing speakers or surround sound speakers that are larger? Can a speaker the size that Bose makes really deliver the full range us audiophiles want?
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