Surround Sound Help

TomCos · 11-07-2006, 05:59 PM

Hey guys, ya i just got an new tv, its just a normal tube tv (the insingina NS-RTV32 ) with 480i because our old one broke. Anyways, its got component, 3 composite, and 1 s-video for input and the only thing it has for output is digital out. So i went out and bought a digital coaxial cable to hook it up to my surround sound (the Philips HTS3410D/37) and it still wouldnt work. So i looked into the manual of the tv and said it cannot output sound into a surround sound system with dts build in, which mine did. So some people told me to go out and buy a rf modulator and i did but the surround sound still doesnt have sound coming out of it. WHAT DO I DO?? Any other ideas??

daleb · 11-08-2006, 07:46 AM

Are you trying to play your DVD player through the TV?
That's the only reason your might need a modulator.

The way you describe it you are taking a digital OUTPUT from your TV to play through your Philips system.
That should not be problem.
Your TV will not decode DTS, that's understandable.

TomCos · 11-08-2006, 11:25 AM

i am trying to get the tv to output the sound through the surround sound speakers...it wont because the dvd player that the surround sound connects to used dts....and the only output on my tv is digital coaxial...any ideas?

daleb · 11-08-2006, 05:27 PM

Because the Philips system has DTS capability should not be a limitation.

As long as the Philips receiver is only set for stereo or Dolby 5.1, or other surround modes, and NOT DTS, in the receiver menu I don't understand why it will not process the TV digital audio and output it through your speakers.

DTS should only be one selection on the Philips, and typically one that is not used much anyway.

Maybe I am missing something here, and someone else can jump in.

**rbinck** · 11-08-2006, 06:24 PM

That output is for the ATSC digital tuner built into the TV. If you are watching the analog TV tuner or another input it is inoperable.

Are you able to get any digital stations?

ragemaster68 · 11-08-2006, 08:15 PM

rbinck:
as an aside to your reply, if i used the optical out from the tv when watching an hd channel, would there still be sound coming from it during the day on the regular shows playing on the 'hd' station, or will there be nothing at all coming from it until the real hd stuff comes on in prime time?

**rbinck** · 11-08-2006, 08:46 PM

Yes there should be.

daleb · 11-08-2006, 09:49 PM

I guess first of all he should be sure there is audio coming out at all. Some sets require internal speakers to be off, and/or the volume on the set to be at least one click up, not off.

TomCos · 11-09-2006, 02:02 AM

ya the tv only outputs 480i and i do get some hd stations from normal cable tv because when it did the scan for channels it found some that i dont get anywhere in the house besides on the cable box. The speakers connect to a dvd player that outputs the sound, not a reciever. There is no sound just coming out of the surround sound, tv is fine. I dont know what digital stations are so i cant answer that. tired going through all the tv settings and cant find anything except i can turn sound to dolby digital, which i do, but doesnt effect the situation. The Tv manual says it will not output sound through surround sound with dts in it so I dont know....

daleb · 11-09-2006, 12:54 PM

If you can borrow a receiver from a friend, etc and just find out if you are actually getting audio out from your TV, or if some setting like volume or the internal speakers is affecting it.
You need to do that as number one in troubleshooting the problem.
I think you mean your DVD player is a combination player and receiver.
DVD players by themselves do not typically have audio inputs, only outputs and not speaker outputs.
Unless you have your DVD player/receiver setup to decode DTS that should not be a problem as near as I can tell.

As a last resort, find a dealer that will allow you to try a similar system in their store. Or bring the TV to a shop and
ask if they can just determine if it is actually putting out audio at the output jack, while you wait.

**rbinck** · 11-09-2006, 09:02 PM

TVs that have ATSC tuners built in have the digital outputs to allow for audio connection to an external surround system. The thinking is with an internal ATSC tuner there would be no other way to hook up a surround system like there would be if a STB was used. They assume you have some other way to get your audio sources for other devices such as a DVD player or VHS tape player. Now the reason the digital audio is available only when the ATSC tuner is being used is the TV would need an analog to digital converter for the NTSC tuner audio and the other audio inputs to the TV. This would be an additional expense and not even the expensive sets have them. So, unless you can get some service that is digital, there will not be any audio out that output. You will not be able to get any ATSC stations hooked up to cable, you need an OTA antenna.

daleb · 11-09-2006, 09:24 PM

The missing link! OTA digital stations!
Do you have digital cable service? then you should be feeding the digital audio from your cable box.

TomCos · 11-10-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbinck

TVs that have ATSC tuners built in have the digital outputs to allow for audio connection to an external surround system. The thinking is with an internal ATSC tuner there would be no other way to hook up a surround system like there would be if a STB was used. They assume you have some other way to get your audio sources for other devices such as a DVD player or VHS tape player. Now the reason the digital audio is available only when the ATSC tuner is being used is the TV would need an analog to digital converter for the NTSC tuner audio and the other audio inputs to the TV. This would be an additional expense and not even the expensive sets have them. So, unless you can get some service that is digital, there will not be any audio out that output. You will not be able to get any ATSC stations hooked up to cable, you need an OTA antenna.

sorry but what do you mean by service that is digital?

**rbinck** · 11-10-2006, 04:45 PM

OTA digital service specifically. I used the term digital service because it would not need to be HD, just OTA digital. If you are hooked up to cable you can not get any OTA digital stations. I know you scanned and think you do because of channel numbers that other sets don't get, but there is no cable system that retransmits ATSC channels on their cable. According to what I read about your TV it does not have a QAM cable tuner, so that tells me you have never gotten a digital channel on that TV. Until you get an OTA channel, the audio port will never output any audio. You will need to hook up an antenna for that.

TomCos · 11-11-2006, 04:19 PM

so basically i cant do anything with my surround sound? just let it sit there....

11-07-2006, 05:59 PM	#1
TomCos My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	Surround Sound Help Hey guys, ya i just got an new tv, its just a normal tube tv (the insingina NS-RTV32 ) with 480i because our old one broke. Anyways, its got component, 3 composite, and 1 s-video for input and the only thing it has for output is digital out. So i went out and bought a digital coaxial cable to hook it up to my surround sound (the Philips HTS3410D/37) and it still wouldnt work. So i looked into the manual of the tv and said it cannot output sound into a surround sound system with dts build in, which mine did. So some people told me to go out and buy a rf modulator and i did but the surround sound still doesnt have sound coming out of it. WHAT DO I DO?? Any other ideas??

11-08-2006, 07:46 AM	#2
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,350	Are you trying to play your DVD player through the TV? That's the only reason your might need a modulator. The way you describe it you are taking a digital OUTPUT from your TV to play through your Philips system. That should not be problem. Your TV will not decode DTS, that's understandable. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

11-08-2006, 05:27 PM	#4
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,350	Because the Philips system has DTS capability should not be a limitation. As long as the Philips receiver is only set for stereo or Dolby 5.1, or other surround modes, and NOT DTS, in the receiver menu I don't understand why it will not process the TV digital audio and output it through your speakers. DTS should only be one selection on the Philips, and typically one that is not used much anyway. Maybe I am missing something here, and someone else can jump in. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

11-08-2006, 06:24 PM	#5
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,335	That output is for the ATSC digital tuner built into the TV. If you are watching the analog TV tuner or another input it is inoperable. Are you able to get any digital stations? __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

11-08-2006, 08:15 PM	#6
ragemaster68 Day Watch Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ontario Age: 25 Posts: 560	rbinck: as an aside to your reply, if i used the optical out from the tv when watching an hd channel, would there still be sound coming from it during the day on the regular shows playing on the 'hd' station, or will there be nothing at all coming from it until the real hd stuff comes on in prime time? __________________ HT: LG 60PG70 Winegard Squareshooter UHF Antenna Denon AVR-1909 7.1 Receiver - New Toy Polk CSi3 Centre Technics SB-A16 Fronts (10" Woofers) Aiwa SX-AV900 Rears Viewsat Ultra FTA Receiver ------- Blu-ray Movies - 140 and counting Detailed movie list at DVD Aficionado. ------- Gaming: Xbox 360 - "RE" Elite - Jasper - 18 Games Playstation 3 - 60gb - 2 Games PSN ID: Larcenous1 Gamertag: Bausko -------

11-08-2006, 11:25 AM	#3
TomCos My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	i am trying to get the tv to output the sound through the surround sound speakers...it wont because the dvd player that the surround sound connects to used dts....and the only output on my tv is digital coaxial...any ideas?

11-08-2006, 08:46 PM	#7
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,335	Yes there should be. __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

11-08-2006, 09:49 PM	#8
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,350	I guess first of all he should be sure there is audio coming out at all. Some sets require internal speakers to be off, and/or the volume on the set to be at least one click up, not off. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

11-09-2006, 02:02 AM	#9
TomCos My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	ya the tv only outputs 480i and i do get some hd stations from normal cable tv because when it did the scan for channels it found some that i dont get anywhere in the house besides on the cable box. The speakers connect to a dvd player that outputs the sound, not a reciever. There is no sound just coming out of the surround sound, tv is fine. I dont know what digital stations are so i cant answer that. tired going through all the tv settings and cant find anything except i can turn sound to dolby digital, which i do, but doesnt effect the situation. The Tv manual says it will not output sound through surround sound with dts in it so I dont know....

11-09-2006, 12:54 PM	#10
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,350	If you can borrow a receiver from a friend, etc and just find out if you are actually getting audio out from your TV, or if some setting like volume or the internal speakers is affecting it. You need to do that as number one in troubleshooting the problem. I think you mean your DVD player is a combination player and receiver. DVD players by themselves do not typically have audio inputs, only outputs and not speaker outputs. Unless you have your DVD player/receiver setup to decode DTS that should not be a problem as near as I can tell. As a last resort, find a dealer that will allow you to try a similar system in their store. Or bring the TV to a shop and ask if they can just determine if it is actually putting out audio at the output jack, while you wait. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner Last edited by daleb; 11-09-2006 at 12:56 PM.

11-09-2006, 09:02 PM	#11
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,335	TVs that have ATSC tuners built in have the digital outputs to allow for audio connection to an external surround system. The thinking is with an internal ATSC tuner there would be no other way to hook up a surround system like there would be if a STB was used. They assume you have some other way to get your audio sources for other devices such as a DVD player or VHS tape player. Now the reason the digital audio is available only when the ATSC tuner is being used is the TV would need an analog to digital converter for the NTSC tuner audio and the other audio inputs to the TV. This would be an additional expense and not even the expensive sets have them. So, unless you can get some service that is digital, there will not be any audio out that output. You will not be able to get any ATSC stations hooked up to cable, you need an OTA antenna. __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

11-09-2006, 09:24 PM	#12
daleb High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 7,350	The missing link! OTA digital stations! Do you have digital cable service? then you should be feeding the digital audio from your cable box. __________________ Samsung PN50A650 plasma, Arcam AVR350, Dali Ikon6 (Vokal2&OnWalls), Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX sub, Anti-Mode 8033B, Oppo Digital BDP-83, Polk XM Tuner, Furman Elite power conditioner

11-10-2006, 04:45 PM	#14
rbinck Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 12,335	OTA digital service specifically. I used the term digital service because it would not need to be HD, just OTA digital. If you are hooked up to cable you can not get any OTA digital stations. I know you scanned and think you do because of channel numbers that other sets don't get, but there is no cable system that retransmits ATSC channels on their cable. According to what I read about your TV it does not have a QAM cable tuner, so that tells me you have never gotten a digital channel on that TV. Until you get an OTA channel, the audio port will never output any audio. You will need to hook up an antenna for that. __________________ www.highdefinitionblog.com www.BlogOfHawaii.com

11-11-2006, 04:19 PM	#15
TomCos My plasma is High Def. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6	so basically i cant do anything with my surround sound? just let it sit there....

Similar Threads to Surround Sound Help
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Complete list of HD DVD titles (exclusives shown in red)	bruceames	HD DVD Movie Reviews	34	10-29-2009 12:47 PM
Best speaker brands	SLedford	Speakers & Surround Sound	80	08-08-2008 06:46 AM
PC requirements for WMVHD 1080p	HDTV_NZ	Computers/HTPCs	36	05-12-2005 11:07 AM
HD setup Help	sloe	The High Definition Lounge	7	05-24-2004 12:35 PM