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SD DVD Players and Discs A place to discuss DVD players and discs including SD movie DVDs with the emphasis on upscaling to 720p/1080i. Please do not discuss Blu-Ray or HD DVD technology here.  |
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01-19-2009, 01:10 AM
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My plasma is High Def.
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Which DVD recorder will upconvert Live SD signal fed to it on Composite jacks
Hi friends...I am trying to find this answer...
doubt was that will the DVD recorder Upconvert Live satellite SD TV fed to it from Composite Jacks ( 476i or 525i) to say 720p or 1080p ...in real time... Ofcourse I will connect the output of this DVD recorder to SONY BRAVIA 52" by HDMI cable.... and then this signal will be transported to HDTV via HDMI... of course..the HDTV will upconvert available signal to fill the screen...but will the DVD recorder ..do it in first step( so we may assume will will get better PQ)...and then the HDTV will take over.. I am targetting Sony RDR-HX780 or Philips DVDR3590H....do the above models do that... or do all DVD recorder do that as they essentially record Live TV and play back the same from HDD... Philips In fact, advertises for DVDR3590H ..enjoy TV in 1080i..does it mean the same upconversion of live signal as above.. thanks... |
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01-19-2009, 10:11 AM
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The only thing I know of would be a computer. My HTPC will do this. Upconverts my camera video in real time, so satellite would not be any different.
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01-19-2009, 08:23 PM
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01-19-2009, 08:54 PM
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I am ninja!
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I reviewed the DVDR3590H manual, but I didn't see anything about converting video. In fact, I didn't see any mention of 480p, 720p, or 1080i. I read that you can enable progressive scan, but that's the extent of conversion that I saw.
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01-20-2009, 08:03 AM
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There are some home theater receivers that will perform up-conversions also. Could be used to accomplish what the OP wants and add surround sound to boot.
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01-20-2009, 10:41 AM
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What's all this, then?...
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I don't think you'll find a DVD player/recorder that upconverts live video, as the upscalers used in them are connected directly to the data outputs of the DVD decoder and programmed for DVD format. Although all the parts to do the job are there (video A/D conversion and real-time MPEG encoder), they aren't hooked up the way you want.
There are a number of standalone upscalers and receivers that upscale, but as you note, any HDTV you use will also upscale live video, so I don't think the manufacturers see much need for what you want. Perhaps some DVD recorders provide a "record monitor" mode that lets you watch what is being recorded in real-time, upscaling the ouput in the process. |
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01-21-2009, 04:12 AM
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Thanks...My doubt was that will the DVD recorder Upconvert Live satellite SD TV fed to it from Composite Jacks ( 476i or 525i) to say 720p or 1080p ...in real time...
and then this signal will be transported to HDTV via HDMI... of course..the HDTV will upconvert available signal to fill the screen...but will the DVD recorder ..do it in first step( so we may assume will will get better PQ)...and then the HDTV will take over.. In the same vein, Will it be safe to conclude that ALL recorders will upscale live satellite SD signals being fed to it from composite in..... I went thro the manuals of Sony RDR-HX780, which upconverts signals recorded on HDD... But there is no mention of LIVE Upconvert of SD signal...( in real time) Maybe it is the inherent characteristic of DVD recorder..... my feel is that since the DVD recorder can record ..live signal on HDD..it will upconvert during Playback.... The viewer ..will see the PQ on HDTV....with a Slight Delay....( recording and playback) Experts please comment...... |
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01-21-2009, 06:18 PM
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I think you're looking for something that will make your SD picture quality look like HD quality, and you just aren't going to get it. You can watch SD broadcasts on the best HD televisions (which probably have better upconverting chips than most DVD players), and you won't see any improvement - you can't do much with an already compressed signal. My advice to you is to not worry about it. If, however, you really want to know if those DVD recorders do any kind of "live upconversion", give tech support a call.
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01-21-2009, 06:29 PM
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I'm gonna agree with keg.
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01-22-2009, 10:42 AM
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What's all this, then?...
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If the HDD recorder allows you to watch what is being recorded in real-time, then it should be doing what you want. There is no point in upscaling the content in the player, then also upscaling it in the TV. If the output of the player is 1080i/p, then the TV will simply display it as 1080i/p, without any upscaling. The less upscaling the better--for example, you would not want to upscale the player output to 720p, then have the TV upscale that to 1080p. |
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01-22-2009, 03:42 PM
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My plasma is High Def.
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Thanks Boby....The manuals play with words so one has to go in detail in fine-print..many manuals say that we can pause live TV( that means we are watching HDD recorded TV), chase Playback etc...Some recorders even mention, that as soon as power to recorder is turned on, is starts recording..etc...
all this is so confusing.... but finally, after going thro all the opinion of experts ... conclusion is rather alllow 3300 Dollar Tv to upscale , than to allow any 450 Dollar DVD recorder to upscale....... I rest my case..... |
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02-02-2009, 03:07 AM
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My plasma is High Def.
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Hi,,guys..just a quick update on the above topic..after lot of research..i zoomed into Pioneer DVD recorder model RDR-LX61.
I fed live SD signal ..to Composite jacks...of this recorder, and output HDMI to my sony 52" BRAVIA.. And I confirm, that The live signal is get Upscaled/Upconverted to 1080p.. PQ , IMO..looks muck better ..than giving direct composite inputs to HDTV ( my staellite reciever gives only composite out) Thanks all, for your valuable feedback on above issue. |
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03-14-2009, 07:56 AM
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High Definition is the definition of life.
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03-26-2009, 02:02 AM
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My plasma is High Def.
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oh,I am also looking forward to the answer
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05-08-2009, 12:03 PM
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My plasma is High Def.
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Update
Just a update..
I have taken the component out of the Pioneer DVD recorder, and fed it to the SONY 2" BRAVIA , W series. And Lo, this ,IMO, gave me the Best PQ which I was looking for. So in essence, I utilized the best of Both. Earlier when I was feeding Direct HDMI out the BRAVIA, I was not utilizing BRAVIA's procesing capability, just the DVD recorders Capability. But when I feed Component signal , to BRAVIA, I bring Its Processing in play. This was the best I could get for SD . I am using SVIDEO in to DVD recorder from DREAMBOX. There are no HD recievers available here, So this was the best combo I could clobber up. ( My 2 cents) Conclusion : to get best out of SD, use the component out ( not HDMI out) of your DVD recorder, as input to your TV . Experts may like to comment |
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