Anyone knows any DVD Ripper?

rbinck

I didn't mean to offend. It's just that many people do get set in their opinions and it would take a lot to turn them. If I weigh the actions from companies that have a lot to lose against internet opinions, I will sway toward the companies opinions.

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edders

but as to the OP would not go telling someone it is ok, but that is my slant on things.

Jim Bob Jones

But your argument is circular. One can not make a "fair use" copy without removing the copy protection. Your postiton would render the fair use exception useless.

rbinck

Actually you can make a playable copy without removing the copy protection. That's what that company is selling. Another example of this, although it is not a DVD, my wife is visually impaired and gets books from the State of Texas library via downloads. I download the book for her and copy it to her SanDisk player with the DRM intact. At that point I have a copy on my computer that will expire after so many days and a copy on her player that will not expire, but can't be copied from it back to a computer and played after the expiration date. Sure I could remove the DRM, but why? I can just download it again, if needed.

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ah802

Just thought I'd throw in my two pennies.

Thankfully not much of this thread holds water north of the border and as such, this thread is more of a comment on your country. Evangelical protectionists fought bitterly when the printing press came on stream, then you had to pay to just look up a word in a dictionary. Perhaps we need a whole new approach to media.. even Microsoft changes the tariff for China and 2nd world.

I don't see Hollywood moguls suffering in the bread lines, and we don't need evangelical protectionists reminding the world of dubious legalese delivered after purchase with content.

Jim Bob Jones

Yeah, but other than you, who really wants to keep loading and downloading and how often do most people watch DVDs on their computers compared to stand alone DVD players? If I am confined to computer watching, the DVD is of minimum value to me. I don't have my audio system hooked up to my computer.

simoncable

Maybe people watch DVDs in their computer more than in front of DVD players now.
But I prefer to watching in front of DVD player if I can.

rbinck

That's not the point I was addressing. Your statement said essentially that you can't make a copy without removing the copy protection. The company I linked to does just that, they make copies to a central server without removing the copy protection. At that point they don't have to download the movie at all. Besides, my example was for audio, not DVDs, but the movie download services have DRM also and it comes along with your downloaded copy.

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edders

Not to start or disagreement all over again, but it seems to me making a copy WITH the DRM intact is defeating or circumventing the copy protection scheme, just the way I see it.

Actually, I hope you are right that this practice is legal, or that Congress gets off its buns and reinstates the "fair use" from DRM protected media. There have been several attempts to do so but the legislation has gone no where...too bad!

edders

sorry about the character drop outs. I am a touch typist and my keyboard often misses characters, it is a special keyboard and hard to replace.

so: Her = Here....

rbinck

It must not be considered illegal in all curcumstances because of the example I gave for one and when you download movie rentals you are receiving a copy with the DRM in tact. Apparently a copy that can only be played in limited situations is legal. That digital rights law does not just cover DVDs as music and books are covered by it as well.

Really the OP inquiry was interpreted to be about ripping a DVD with the DRM being removed. That is most likely illegal, although the law that makes it so is in conflict with the fair rights, so until it goes through the courts we really won't know. My first post was about a system offered where legal copies can be placed on a DVD server. My point was that ripping in and of itself is not illegal. It depends on how it is done.

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edders

trying to make sense out of conflicting laws/doctrines (just joking with you). Politics and DMCA doesn't make sense. I really and truly think the the studios want to be the ones to decide what is and isn't legal, that's where the problem arises, IMO.

Let's hope congress gets off its behind and passes something to allow fair use, I really wouldn't trust the courts to decide it.

Jim Bob Jones

If I buy it, I can copy it as long as it is for personal use. That's it.

Loves2Watch

And many others including myself think that way. Just don't get caught.

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Whatchutalkinbout Loves2watch? I'm way too computer illiterate to do any serious stuff like that. I just recently learned how to cut and paste.