Anyone knows any DVD Ripper?

rbinck

I do know of some lawsuits that went the other way. Here's one I was able to find: Kaleidescape Prevails in DVD Ripping Case

See the key here is whether the act of ripping is illegal. That judge said no. Basically if there is no intent to distribute, such as placing on a media server, there is no foul.

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Nevada_MO_Guy

I like using DVDShrink

It is a nice little program for backing up a DVD.

Some of the options are removing extra language tracks and changing the region coding to make it region free.

You save an image of the movie on your hard drive, then you will have to use a DVD burning program like Nero, Roxio etc... to burn it to a DVD.



What is DVDShrink

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Loves2Watch

That is for a company who specializes in media servers.

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Loves2Watch

DVD Shrink is illegal to use in the USA.

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rbinck

You have a hard time giving up, don't ya? That is a distinction without a difference.

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DrDre

I thought this was interesting. Maybe ASCAP or SOCAN can help clarify this issue as well.

http://cd-burning-software-review.to...ing-legal.html

rbinck

I think after re-reading this thread the main issue is whether ripping also includes circumventing the copy protection. Loves appears to think they are one in the same, but they are not. Ripping is just the action of copying the files from a disc to a hard drive. Usually this also will include combining multiple files into a single file for playback. The copy protection may or may not be maintained.

While I agree that it is thought by the content providers to be illegal to circumvent copy protection, I can not find any time when copying a disc to a hard drive was litigated unless there was something more going on, like file sharing or distribution. That is clearly illegal.

As far as what is ok to be discussed on this site, that is Cass' and the new owners call. The rule currently is , "No discussing hacks or illegal sharing of copyrighted material."

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Thanks works perfectly. I'm gonna re-watch LOTR and SW on my XA-2.

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Nevada_MO_Guy

Glad it worked for you.

Why?

I can understand burning movies and selling them bad, but for personal use...there has to be a gray area in there.

Something that is legal or illegal...is to black and white. Common sense and intent should also be considered.

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Loves2Watch

There’s been a lot of confusion over this issue. Frequently you’ll read that it’s legal to copy DVDs as long as it’s for personal use only. That isn’t the case. The DMCA focuses on the circumvention of copy protection and does not take the intentions of the user into account. Any attempt to break the CSS copy protection is a violation of Federal law. It doesn’t matter that you legally purchased a DVD and now you’re trying to copy it to your iPod for personal use.

Excerpt from - http://www.medialoper.com/columns/de...ds-to-my-ipod/

And, The ability to create copies of the media you've purchased for personal use is a long-accepted facet of the fair-use doctrine in U.S. copyright law (at least, it used to be). However, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) states that it's illegal to break the CSS copy-protection mechanism employed by most commercial DVD movies. What does that mean? Most fair-use advocates say that the policy directly contradicts U.S. copyright law, but the DMCA seems to indicate that you cannot make a copy of a commercial DVD, even for personal use, and you certainly cannot give a copied DVD to anyone or watch copied DVD files on your computer. We assume that fair use will eventually catch up and be established as a safety valve for consumers (which has been the pattern with previous technologies, such as VHS), but for now, the territory is still uncertain and a bit dangerous.
From - http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5128652-1.html

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LordGamer

I'm going to agree with rbinck on this one, but at the sametime, I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to know the details.

That being said, I haven't seen a case showing that it is illegal for an individual to copy material he or she purchased for personal use. Simply transferring the content from one storage medium to another (i.e. DVD to a hard drive), does not seem to be the issue. The problem lies when the individual distributes the content; no longer making it personal use.

When you purchase a movie, you are purchasing the right to view the movie for individual use. What differences does it make how you are viewing the movie?

Loves2Watch, you may indeed be correct, but you are not providing any legal case that confirms your statements. rbinck provided a great link / article, which some of the quotes state...

In the end, he says, Judge Nichols agreed that “nothing in the agreement prevents you from making copies of DVDs. Nothing requires that a DVD be present during playback.”

There was the possibility that copyright issues ~could~ have come into play. The DVD CCA submitted to the Court a particular document, the “CSS General Specifications,” that it asserted was part of the licensing agreement.

Malcolm argued that the particular document, which is “available only after you sign the license and pay the fee,” is not part of the contract.

So, until I see different, just saying it's illegal, doesn't make it true.

LordGamer

Bottomline... If it was so "cut and dry," there wouldn't be room for debate.

SearchMarketin

I agree. That's why you guys come to the forums and discuss.

edders

and add my opinion to the debate. I respect you both L2W and RBINC, but have to side with L2W on that one. In fact RBINC I got jumped all over on this forum some months back for holding the same opinion as you do.

By no means am I an expert, however after researching the DMCA online a few months ago it does indeed seem as though it prohibits individuals who own a legal copy of a copywrited DVD from circumventing that protection and copying it, even for their own use.

Since the DMCA went into effect there has been legislation every two years or so to correct the language that prevents individuals from ripping DVD's onto hd's for their own use:

http://politics.slashdot.org/article...46228&from=rss

RBINC, you just need to google about "DMCA FAIR USE LEGISLATION" to get many such hits which counter your claims (note the John Sanford article).

RBINC you are right that there are machines available to copy CD's but they do not fall under this acts language about media that has a built in copy protection scheme. I have even seen movie servers a few years ago which would let you rip your DVD's onto a hd and then play them at will. I think they got sued and no longer see them around. These were for personal home use.

Now you two go back to your friendly discussion. I will just "Duck and Cover" Seriously, the debate is good and hope it educates people viewing.

LordGamer

For the record, I'm really asking here, I'm not that familar with Kaleidescape...

What's the difference between the businesses you are refering to and Kaleidescape? My understanding is Kaleidescape equipment rips CDs and DVDs with copyrighted content on to servers.

Also, I'm not old enough to know or recall, but was this ever an issue with audio cassettes or VHS? It seems it only has become an issue thanks to the ease of digital distribution. Leading to my point that the act of copying itself isn't the issue, it's the distributing of the content.