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Old 01-28-2007, 04:13 PM   #1
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Hello, I have a DVR box from Comcast and it is basically full of shows and sports events I do not want to lose. I would like to put them onto DVD so I can hang on to them and free up space on my DVR. I believe I can buy a basic DVD recorder and transfer them, but, I would like the ability to edit out commercials and/or blend shows together with other shows. Is this possible? What should I look for in a DVD recorder? Is it difficult to edit commercials or bled shows together.
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Ok I went out a bought a Samsung R135 DVD player with HD upconvert and DVD revording. I'm having a hard time hooking everything up. Right now my Comcast box is hooked up to my TV with component wires and my DVD player is hooked up to my TV via HDMI connection. How do I hook my DVD player up with my cable box in order to record TV show? What hooks up to what? I'm lost here.
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Ok I went out a bought a Samsung R135 DVD player with HD upconvert and DVD revording. I'm having a hard time hooking everything up. Right now my Comcast box is hooked up to my TV with component wires and my DVD player is hooked up to my TV via HDMI connection. How do I hook my DVD player up with my cable box in order to record TV show? What hooks up to what? I'm lost here.
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What kind of inputs does the DVD recorder have? Some cable DVR's will not allow you to transfer from the DVR to a DVD or VCR even.

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What kind of inputs does the DVD recorder have? Some cable DVR's will not allow you to transfer from the DVR to a DVD or VCR even.

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Here's a photo of the back of the DVD Pplayer I found on BestBuy.com
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Here's a photo of the back of the DVD Pplayer I found on BestBuy.com
The only input you can use on the DVD recorder is the S-video. Try hooking an S-video cable from your DVR to the DVD, play the recording and see if you can pick it up on the DVD recorder.

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Hello, I have a DVR box from Comcast and it is basically full of shows and sports events I do not want to lose. I would like to put them onto DVD so I can hang on to them and free up space on my DVR. I believe I can buy a basic DVD recorder and transfer them, but, I would like the ability to edit out commercials and/or blend shows together with other shows. Is this possible? What should I look for in a DVD recorder? Is it difficult to edit commercials or bled shows together.
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Is it possible: YES Is it easy or even practible? No

Is it expensive-- oh, yes (if you are talking HD)

SD is very easy with a ReplayTV-- it can be networked to your computer where you can edit and burn to a DVD.

HD content is much more difficult. If you have a newer Motorola (or others) with a firewire you can record (archive) to D-VHS (yes, Hi Def TAPE) (full 1080P res. and 5.1 sound) -- but you still will not get the content to an HD-DVD without spending thousands . . . Software for editing/burning HD content is about $500 (Roxio)-- and you will need a BD burner -- Roxio does not YET support HD-DVD burners . . .
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Similar to questions above by TVme, I need help saving copies offline / off DVR. I don't prefer taking vid from DVR to tape (sigh) or DVD. Want to plumb a second dedicated coaxial line to a DVD recorder (I think). I'm less interested in complex computer driven solutions than emulating KISS old world VCR mode recording (replace VCR with DVD recorder for better quality / durability / longevity via DVD medium).

I'm not inclined to import data onto desk-top computer. If I was going to try the firewire solution it would probably involve a dedicated computer tied to the AV system -or- insert laptop on temp basis. Originally I thought convergence a good idea / now feel one-way (computer to TV, slideshows, etc.) will be the extent of interaction for now.

It's been my intention to just add in a DVD recorder. Originally I thought to buy a DVD recorder with it's own tuner, but some seem to have such limited range of channels it would exclude channels I'd like to record and save. I can't decide which direction to go.

* direct cable line to stand alone DVD recorder
* feed from HDTV output to stand alone DVD recorder
* stand alone DVD recorder in-line between DVR and HDTV

HD recordings to DVD might be more than I should hope for (data size might require extended transfer rate for events > two hours, so diminish hard copy on DVD). In past I was satisfied to save copies to VHS, so reasonable to expect DVD would be better and more stable medium even if lower quality than HD, no?

Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks in advance,
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add on: I have had some good result with refurbished products, so would consider this route for a test platform. I am looking at recorders like:

http://www.refurbdepot.com/productde...roduct_ID=4507
Samsung VR-330 $130 (refurb)
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I regularly record from my TiVo to a stand alone DVD player. I even use this as a method of getting programs out of the TiVo into my computer. I use the s-video and audio stereo cables between the Tivo and the DVD recorder. Only a couple of times has macrovision kept me from recording successfully. If your DVR is a HD version it may be necessary to set the output format of the DVR to 480i to get a signal for the DVD recorder, but it is possible.

The resulting recordings will not be HD, but will be near DVD quality when a HD DVR is the source.
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Old 02-12-2007, 06:03 AM   #10
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thx for the speedy reply and consult rbinck! My stb is the moto dct-3416.

Guess I'll buy a DVD recorder and see how this works. If I can't find satisfaction via method you suggest (like if I'm watching the show and want to see HD feed, so am unwilling to change stb to 480i), I was considering a DVD recorder with tuner, then just connecting from a coaxial cable splitter (I have a spare port) to recorder direct.

Might not the feed also pass along in series from TV output to the DVD recorder? Guess there are a lot of possibilities. Part of the plan is wanting the operation to be simple, so Mrs. etch and the little etch can manage it too, solo or coached over the phone (like they could in old VCR world).

The recordings don't have to be HD, whether feed was HD or no, just better than VHS (which is a given, or at least likely, considering the medium, right?).

The physical cable connection quality is in this order:

HDMI/DVI
component
S video/ composite audio
composite audio / composite video

Right? I was happy to see my HDTV has more than one HDMI in, so should probably purchase a DVD recorder that allows HDMI out to replay recordings on HDTV with best possible cables?

Thanks again ... will report back on what I choose, how I connect, and how it works (or doesn't).
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The splitter might work ok if you can get all of the channels you want to record through the DVD recorder's tuner. The recorders I have seen only have the NTSC (analog) tuners in them so the HD channels could not be recorded.

As far as the feed out of your TV goes, most HDTV that have an analog monitor output will only output SD when the TV is set to a SD source because the TVs don't have any way to convert HD to SD, so recording HD programs would not be possible. That is the way every HDTV I've seen works. Those monitor outputs are used by sports bars to slave multiple monitors and that's the only use I've seen for them, other than the audio can feed a stereo amplifier.

The recordings will be much better than VHS on SP or HQ settings.

I would not get too wrapped up with HDMI for your application. Most people see no difference letting the DVD players up-convert vs letting the TV up-convert. Component cables should be fine and you may find that you will need both the component for DVD playback and the composite A/V connections because many DVD recorders will not output to the component video when a SD source is being used. You will just need to experiment with this to see how your recorder works. You did get the order correct.

Lastly, that moto box may output the SD as well as the HD at the same time - most moto boxes I've seen do.

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Old 02-12-2007, 04:41 PM   #12
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SooperMod rbinck: thanks again good Sir. You Texicans are mighty helpful folks

Long day in the trenches, and maybe I just need to read with a clear head (morning person). I'm fumbling through a few things in your most recent reply:

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As far as the feed out of your TV goes, most HDTV that have an analog monitor output will only output SD when the TV is set to a SD source because the TVs don't have any way to convert HD to SD, so recording HD programs would not be possible
Did you mean no recording of the slave signal would be possible, or, that the recording of HD would output SD? Really, I might just have to be content with SD. It should still be superior to what I was getting from analog sat / cable to VHS (as you say).

The LG lc2d manual says: the TV has special signal output capability which allows you to hook up a second TV or monitor. It then specifies: Component 1-2, RGB-PC, HDMI1/DVI, HDMI2, DTV input sources cannot be used for Monitor out. We recommend to use the video and audio output jacks for VCR recording.

The graphic that goes with the maunal text shows what appear to be composite audio / video cables (three jacks). For whatever reason the graphic ignores the S-video out jack (which should be better than composite video if I unnerstan correctly).

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Lastly, that moto box may output the SD as well as the HD at the same time - most moto boxes I've seen do
By this do you mean if I try to record (ie) Versus sports network on HD, the moto box would output to DVDr the Versus SD signal at the same time? Weird, whacky ... wonder why?

Yah, most of the DVDr gear I have seen with built in tuners seem limited. Maybe SD is what i should gear towards for DVDr and hope to catch the first pass from DVR (assuming a HD signal is even broadcast).

Geez, it's just not easy to figure all this out. Next ... fun with recordable DVD medium (+/-/R, etc.).

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As far as the feed out of your TV goes, most HDTV that have an analog monitor output will only output SD when the TV is set to a SD source because the TVs don't have any way to convert HD to SD, so recording HD programs would not be possible
Did you mean no recording of the slave signal would be possible, or, that the recording of HD would output SD? Really, I might just have to be content with SD. It should still be superior to what I was getting from analog sat / cable to VHS (as you say).

The LG lc2d manual says: the TV has special signal output capability which allows you to hook up a second TV or monitor. It then specifies: Component 1-2, RGB-PC, HDMI1/DVI, HDMI2, DTV input sources cannot be used for Monitor out. We recommend to use the video and audio output jacks for VCR recording.
Well, the answer is in what the manual said and it confirms what I said. When your TV is viewing a HD input (per the list) the monitor outputs will be inoperative (usually just the video) and if you hook a TV to them you would get no picture while viewing a HD source. Only while viewing a SD source would there be a picture sent out the monitor port. As the manual excerpt suggests the monitor port is not intended to connect a VCR or recording device. So what are they used for? They are a carryover from years past when the first monitor ports were put on high end video equipment to be used in sports bars and simular venues. The idea is the first TV can be fed a cable or satellite signal and multiple TVs can then be daisy chained going out of the monitor port and into the next TV's line input port. The reason they still exist on HDTVs of today is to allow the replacement in the daisy changed applications where HD is not required. No doubt eventually they will be eliminated from future sets.
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Lastly, that moto box may output the SD as well as the HD at the same time - most moto boxes I've seen do
By this do you mean if I try to record (ie) Versus sports network on HD, the moto box would output to DVDr the Versus SD signal at the same time? Weird, whacky ... wonder why?
Yes I pretty sure the moto boxes will simoultaneously output both HD and SD signals at the same time. Why? I guess moto realizes that people might want to record the HD in SD or some people use them for a TV in another room.

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yah, was not saying you had it wrong, instead that the manual supported what you suggested irt slave off TV output (nyet from the better outputs). But, it seems they figure you might want to send signal to VCR daisy-chained off TV when it says:

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That way I would be recording what is on the set (if scheduled recording seems diffcult). OTOH, I am still considering direct from splitter to a DVDr with tuner, if one has enough channels to suit.

Either way I'm figuring SD will be it (due to data load on a 2 hour auto recording).

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That way I would be recording what is on the set (if scheduled recording seems diffcult).
Just bear in mind there will not be any video when you are viewing HD material, so recording a HD program will not happen hooked to the monitor ports.
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